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[Zen Democrat]

1. It's about WHAT they knew and why they knew it.

Of course Mueller and Holder knew that there was an investigation of this woman close to Petraeus. Cantor was informed indirectly by the Shirtless FBI Agent who was after Jill Kelley. There are not only apples and oranges here, there are bananas too.

[Armstead]

21. Uh oh...Bananas are involved too?

What did Petraeus do with those?..Nevermind

[leftyohiolib]

2. i was gonna ask why would someone give you crap but then i relaized where i was

[RandiFan1290]

3. You're just hoping to nail the President with something

There is much more going on here.

[cali]

6. sigh. and your evidence for your ridiculous, none too swift charge is??

No, I'm not looking to nail the President. I support him. I admire him. I may not support all of his policies, but I most certainly don't want to "nail him".

[Dawgs]

25. After your OP, you're the last person that should be talking about lack of evidence. n/t

[LaydeeBug]

29. ^^ this ^^

but it won't stop. Bullies gotta bully.

[Renew Deal]

4. Plausible deniability

[HereSince1628]

5. Compartmentalization and containment are 2 concepts

that are often involved in personnel issues. On the good side, during the time an investigation is just an investigation, these things help limit rumors and damage from allegations that aren't yet known to be true.

On the bad side it can look to outsiders like reports aren't honest and/or make it look like officials don't know things they should know.

[qanda]

7. What difference does it make?

I'm just asking.

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. If the FBI deemed it a criminal matter, they are prohibited by statute from discussing it

with WH or Congress.

That seems to be what happened.

But, please, spend more time beating up on Obama over this. You don't do that enough.

[cali]

9. I'm getting more than a bit weary of the stupid charge that

I'm beating up on the President. I most emphatically am not.

And please cite or link to something that says that they are prohibited by statute from discussing it with the President.

[scheming daemons]

23. Again... who cares if the President knew? You, as a member of the public, did not have a RIGHT

to know.


That's not "covering it up". That's appropriate behavior. If no crime was committed, the President would be *WRONG* to make the adultery public.

[ProSense]

24. The other poster is right, and this OP is pure shit stirring. n/t

[lalalu]

27. Thank You

[vi5]

10. Maybe he knew, maybe he didn't....

My takeaway from this though is that this is what he/we get for falling into the Republican Daddy trap of lionizing people like Petraeus and trying to "me too" the right on bullshit like that. Rather than picking the actual best man for a job it was yet another effort to placate and please republicans who will never be placated or pleased.

[BeyondGeography]

11. The President has spent a lifetime perfecting the art of keeping crap out of his head

He gives people the benefit of the doubt, which frees him up, but also frees them up to be assholes for awhile if they are so inclined. Not indefinitely.

He'll be fine.

[scheming daemons]

12. FBI decided "nothing to see here".. but rogue RW agent told Cantor anyway

That's the bottom line.

FBI found no crime, and therefore had no reason to tell President.

But a RW FBI agent (shirtless guy) was upset that nothing came of it, so he notified Cantor.

This doesn't look bad for the President in any way, shape, or form.


So yes... I will beat up on you because you're being ridiculous.

[TBF]

13. Sometimes executives (his level) know this sort of a thing

but may have a general idea and not all the sordid details. I would guess he probably had minor briefings on it but they were investigating to see how bad it was. There may be more behind this, or they may be afraid of what she did with any information she did have ... they'd want all their eggs in a row before they take any action. This happens in private companies as well. HR has to be pretty darn sure of their info before terminating someone high up, and it's likely the CEO/Board may know in general what is going on but they will let the investigation run it's course before acting. Everything they do is subject to lawsuits (improper termination lawsuits etc). He's gone now, and they will continue digging to figure out what damage was done and clean up what they need to ... My best guess.

Edit after reading scheaming demons post - and that could be the case as well. If they were investigation and knew they were sending each other email (but didn't see any horrible security breaches) they saw an affair and nothing more so they decided not to act. Very possible as well.

[fugop]

14. Obama won.

This naughty sex thing is hilarious, but ultimately, I don't care. Don't care when Obama knew. Don't care if he knew.

Basically, poor GOP csn't get any intern stories on Obama, so they're reaching for something to blow up. No one cared about Benghazi, try ad they did, so now they're hoping sex will make the public care.

But Clinton actually was the central figure in a sex scandal of his own making and the rabid right couldn't bring him down. They won't come close with Obama ... But they'll try. Screw 'em.

Obama won. They'll have to live with it.

[ProSense]

26. Right, but here's the thing

everyone involved appears to be a Republican, but the OP decides to inject Obama.

[GeorgeGist]

15. Cantor and Mueller are not Cabinet Members.

[OldDem2012]

16. JMHO, but you appear to be stirring an empty pot as far as the President is concerned. nt.

[Coyotl]

17. Given Allen was in line for a big appointment, Obama had to know parts of this.

What crosses his desk and occupies his time is densely managed as is, only the necessary intrudes. Appointing Allen, America's top commander in Afghanistan, to become the next NATO commander, makes this matter land in Obama's need-to-know basket.

The DoD is currently reviewing between 20,000 and 30,000 (pages of) documents connected to this matter. That won't take up the President's valuable time.

But we get to spend out time on it and make certain the story gets reasoned attention.

[malaise]

18. A very important article on the matter

Why was he only told on election night. The entire Benghazi story was being pushed by neo-cons and their friends. Rove was pushing it on Fox. Joe Scum was pushing it on M$NBC. Even Petraeus got into the act (in the weekly Standard) but received little coverage because of Hurricane Sandy. Petraeus was not planning to resign.
Read Robert Burns piece in the Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10527838
<snip>

The issue of what the FBI knew, when it notified top Obama administration officials, and when Congress was told, has brought criticism from lawmakers, who say they should have been told earlier.

The White House wasn't informed of the FBI investigation that involved Petraeus until Nov. 6, Election Day, although agents began looking at Petraeus' actions months earlier, sometime during the summer. Senate Intelligence Committee chairwoman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., complained that she first learned of the matter from the media late last week, and confirmed it in a phone call to the then-CIA director on Friday.

That was the same day Obama accepted Petraeus' resignation, and the 60-year-old retired Army general, who headed U.S. military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan before taking charge of the CIA, acknowledged an affair with Broadwell, and expressed regret.

Defending the notification timing, a senior federal law enforcement official pointed Monday to longstanding policies and practices, adopted following abuses and mistakes that were uncovered during the Nixon administration's Watergate scandal of the early 1970s. The Justice Department — of which the FBI is part — is supposed to refrain from sharing detailed information about its criminal investigations with the White House.

[NNN0LHI]

19. FBI knew someone was was tipping the generals off about this

I think that person was Eric Cantor.

Cantor may go to jail over this if he was the one doing the leaking of FBI secrets.

The President knew what was going on. He couldn't say anything about an ongoing internal FBI investigation.

That is what happened here.

Need to get Cantor sworn in and ask him some questions under oath about this.

Don

[lalalu]

30. I agree.

I really believe Cantor was behind a lot of dirty deeds. I hope they nail him.

[scheming daemons]

20. I'll turn this around on you, Cali. So *WHAT* if he knew?

Why on earth would it be the "right thing" for Obama to make it public?


It would actually be the IRRESPONSIBLE thing to make it public. Petraeus committed adultery. That is none of the public's business, once the FBI deemed that no crime was committed.


Let's say Obama *DID* know about it. Give me the logic of why NOT telling the public is a "cover up".


You can't, because it isn't.


Under what scenario is it appropriate for a President to inform the public that one of his cabinet members is a bad husband?



You're stirring shit. It is not a "cover up" to NOT tell the public about someone's private sex life.

[ProSense]

22. What a stupid fucking post

Why not work for Fox?

"Yeah, go ahead give me shit for saying this."

Guess you knew it was.

[lalalu]

31. LOL

[brer cat]

28. It seems to me the really relevant question is:

if "everyone in D.C." knew, then what did Skinner know and when did he know it? We pay for his luxurious life-style in D.C. and in return we expect insider info on the post haste. Now I understand how DiFi feels having to find out through the press.

[elehhhhna]

32. if so BO must fore the ones he can and go after theones he can't

big stick comes to mind