Michigan House Vote - Wrong Pronouns a Felony

[NowISeetheLight]

This is different. We've seen Red states make everything a felony (like abortion doctors and womens healthcare). Well Michigan now has a bill in process that makes using wrong pronouns a felony. It passed the House. They're taking a page from the Christian Taliban playbook and using it against them. GOOD FOR THEM.

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiYGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmZveG5ld3MuY29tL3BvbGl0aWNzL21pY2hpZ2FuLWhvdXNlLXBhc3Nlcy1iaWxsLXdyb25nLXByb25vdW5zLWZlbG9ueS1maW5lYWJsZS0xMDAwMNIBZGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmZveG5ld3MuY29tL3BvbGl0aWNzL21pY2hpZ2FuLWhvdXNlLXBhc3Nlcy1iaWxsLXdyb25nLXByb25vdW5zLWZlbG9ueS1maW5lYWJsZS0xMDAwMC5hbXA?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

[betsuni]

1. Fox News.

[FBaggins]

2. No chance of that being constitutional

But I doubt that the linked Fox title accurately describes what the law says.

[MichMan]

3. Wow, good luck being able to prove intent

"Hey, what did they get you for? I carjacked someone and crashed fleeing the cops"

"Well, I called someone she instead of they, & got 5 years in the joint for it"

[Kaleva]

4. Having to prove the person willfully

said such words would be very hard to prove

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. That's not what the law is about -- that's an interpretation from some "legal experts" scared up by

the Daily Wire and quoted by Fox news.

Here's a better look at the proposal, which is meant to update hate crime laws:

The Michigan Hate Crime Act, which passed 59-50 in the Democratic-controlled House, would replace Michigan's 1988 ethnic intimidation law so that more categories of people fall under the law's protections.

The law would expand to include protections based on sex, sexual orientation, age, gender identity or physical or mental disabilities. Religion, ethnicity, and race were already protected under the ethnic intimidation law and would continue to be protected under the hate crime act.

The legislation also would expand which actions qualify as a hate crime, from threats or damage of property under the current law, to targeted force, intimidation, threats, bodily injury or damage of personal property.

Intimidation would be defined as "repeated or continuing harassment of another individual" that would cause them to feel "terrorized, frightened or threatened." It would not include "constitutionally protected activity or conduct that serves a legitimate purpose."

From: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/michigan/2023/06/20/michigan-house-oks-new-hate-crime-church-synagogue-cemetery-desecration-penalties/70337842007/

[MichMan]

7. So, using the wrong pronoun is specifically not applicable under the new definitions?

Even if done intentionally?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

9. Misgendering someone through pronouns is not mentioned in the bill.

[MichMan]

10. I will have to look the actual bill to see if it is included in the sexual orientation portion

[WhiskeyGrinder]

11. Here it is.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2023-2024/billengrossed/House/pdf/2023-HEBH-4474.pdf

[Tickle]

6. That's ridiculous NT

[Vinca]

12. Well, it's nice to know the Michigan lawmakers are working on the big issues.

If Trump has an event there and makes one of his usual gaffes is it going to be a felony? Why the fuck do these people care what anyone wants to call themselves?