PRIGOZHIN TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT PUTIN'S WAR IN UKRAINE

[orangecrush]

ONE OF THE most subversive things that Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin did during his brief rebellion last weekend was to tell the truth.

Prigozhin is a pathological liar, a professional disinformation artist who was indicted in the United States in connection with the internet troll farm he ran, which was at the forefront of Russian efforts to intervene in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to help Donald Trump win.

But as the mercenary boss began his mutiny in late June, he experienced a brief and surprising bout of honesty when he launched into an online tirade against what he said were the lies used by Moscow to justify the brutal Russian invasion of Ukraine. His comments were so candid and off-message for a Russian leader that it seemed as if someone had mistakenly handed him a speech meant for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

ONE OF THE most subversive things that Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin did during his brief rebellion last weekend was to tell the truth.

Prigozhin is a pathological liar, a professional disinformation artist who was indicted in the United States in connection with the internet troll farm he ran, which was at the forefront of Russian efforts to intervene in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to help Donald Trump win.

But as the mercenary boss began his mutiny in late June, he experienced a brief and surprising bout of honesty when he launched into an online tirade against what he said were the lies used by Moscow to justify the brutal Russian invasion of Ukraine. His comments were so candid and off-message for a Russian leader that it seemed as if someone had mistakenly handed him a speech meant for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.


The invasion was nothing more than a massive land grab by the Russian oligarchy, Prigozhin charged, designed to enrich the country’s powerful elites while poor Russians served as cannon fodder. Russian claims that a Nazi regime in Ukraine, backed by NATO, was about to attack Russia were lies, Prigozhin said. The war was started by the Russian oligarchy to benefit themselves and gain power. In his rant, Prigozhin did not criticize Russian President Vladimir Putin by name, focusing instead on the broader Russian elite, and specifically on his personal enemy Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

“The Ministry of Defense is trying to deceive the public and the president and spin the story that there were insane levels of aggression from the Ukrainian side and that they were going to attack us together with the whole NATO bloc,” Prigozhin said on his Telegram channel on June 23. The truth, he said, was that “there was nothing extraordinary happening on the eve of February 24,” the day last year when Russian invaded. Ukraine was not planning any kind of attack against Russia, he added.


https://theintercept.com/2023/07/01/prigozhin-truth-putin-war-ukraine/

[Chainfire]

1. Putin may as well realize that NATO is not going to allow him to take Ukraine.

Nor the Baltic states. He just needs to figure a way out; Russia today isn't the Soviet Union of the 1940s and Putin is not a Stalin. The only thing that remains to be seen if Putin wants to take the rest of the world with him when he goes.

[orangecrush]

3. True

That should be obvious by now.

[uponit7771]

9. +1

[marble falls]

2. I think Prigozhin was worried he wasn't going to get his fair share.

[orangecrush]

4. The czech must have cleared

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[Johonny]

5. He made people like Roger Waters that believed

Putin's lies for the reason for the war look like the suckers we all knew they were.

[orangecrush]

7. His organization

Was/is very, very good at it.

[Mosby]

6. The intercept isn't a reliable source.

One of the founders was greenwald.

[orangecrush]

8. True

But imo the information in this article is sound.

[Crunchy Frog]

12. He got fired though.

At any rate, they're just reporting his actual words which are well documented.

[Kaleva]

18. Numerous sources reported what Prigozhin said

[Cha]

10. Yes he did.. Amazingly Enough! TY!

[Emrys]

11. Yup. I posted subtitled videos of him doing so during the failed "coup"

(Twitter videos, so not sure how many'll be able to view them, especially at the moment)

Prigozhin's damning case against Russia's war on Ukraine [Twitter video with English subtitles]

He released this video address before the Russian attack on Wagner forces that led to him setting off for Rostov:

Link to tweet

TheKremlinYap
@TheKremlinYap

This is how today's conflict between Prigozhin and the General Staff of Russia began.

Prigozhin openly says that Russian authorities lied about the causes of the war.
After that, the Russian army began to kill mercenaries of PMC Wagner
We wish both parties success in this matter

[Twitter video with subtitles]

Link to tweet

TheKremlinYap
@TheKremlinYap

Prigozhin tells who was interested to start this war. He accuses Shoigu of thirst for glory and the Russian ruling oligarchic class of irrepressible greed.
A little more and he will start blaming Putin

[Twitter video with subtitles]

To be clear, he's an evil, savage monster, but on these points, he's not wrong.

Perhaps we could all chip in for a bulk order of smelling salts for any bothsiders who view it?

First posted here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218035243

Another clip from the same series:

Link to tweet

Dmitri
@wartranslated

Prigozhin released today a new interview going over the current state of affairs as well as looking back at the events preceding the start of the "SMO". In this first bit, he explains that the Donbas was plundered by Russians since 2014 and the 2022 war began for reasons very different from those advertised to the public.

[Twitter video with subtitles]

First posted here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218035243#post6

[calimary]

13. Holy shit! That was a week ago already!

And shit - it’s JULY already!

[orangecrush]

14. Time flies

When you're running from Putin!

[calimary]

15. I'll bet!

[orangecrush]

16. ...

[orangecrush]

17. ...

[LessAspin]

19. Useful Idiots

Very good piece .. it's interesting in light of Putin apologists Glenn Greenwald (formerly of the Intercept) Aaron Maté continuing to double down ..

Link to tweet

It is still unclear whether Prigozhin’s candor will have any impact on right-wing extremists in the U.S. who support Putin and have defended his invasion of Ukraine. Right-wing pundits like former Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson have been cheerleaders for Putin’s war, disseminating pro-Russian conspiracy theories like the false claim that the U.S. funded bio-weapons labs in Ukraine. The right-wing support for Putin and his invasion is strongest among Christian nationalists, a segment of pro-Trump evangelical Christians who have come to hate Western liberalism and yearn for an autocrat like Putin who would wipe away wokeness. They have been joined by members of other fringe groups, like those who claim to be anti-imperialists while supporting Putin’s imperial ambitions.

Prigozhin is a terrible messenger of the truth. He certainly had his own selfish reasons for stating that Russia’s war is built on lies. Yet his truth-telling may ultimately help rip off the façade Putin erected to conceal the reality of his war in Ukraine. ...

https://theintercept.com/2023/07/01/prigozhin-truth-putin-war-ukraine/