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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,204 posts)
Sat Jul 1, 2023, 10:16 PM Jul 2023

Ron DeSantis Draws Outcry From Women's Group As He Ends Permanent Alimony In Florida

Ron DeSantis Draws Outcry From Women's Group As He Ends Permanent Alimony In Florida


On Monday, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed a bill into law that ends permanent alimony in the state, a move that has sparked controversy and debate.

What Happened: The new law, which takes effect starting Saturday, eliminates permanent alimony, restricts the duration of alimony to a maximum of 50% of the length of the marriage, and allows for modifications in alimony payments in certain situations, CBS Miami reports.

The law also includes a provision that would make it more difficult for judges to award alimony payments that exceed 25% of the payer’s gross monthly income.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ron-desantis-draws-outcry-from-women-s-group-as-he-ends-permanent-alimony-in-florida/ar-AA1dilVv

DeSantis’ actions and policies have sparked controversy and debate. His decision to end permanent alimony in Florida is likely to be a contentious issue, with critics arguing that it could leave some spouses, particularly women, in a vulnerable financial position.

“We believe by signing [the bill], he has put older women in a situation which will cause financial devastation,” Jan Killilea, a 63-year-old Boca Raton woman who founded “First Wives Advocacy Group” a decade ago, told The News Service of Florida Friday, according to CBS News.

“The so-called party of ‘family values’ has just contributed to erosion of the institution of marriage in Florida.”

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Ron DeSantis Draws Outcry From Women's Group As He Ends Permanent Alimony In Florida (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Jul 2023 OP
HOLE LEE SHIT! TheBlackAdder Jul 2023 #1
i know!!.. he's signing so many laws, the public can't keep up. BlueWaveNeverEnd Jul 2023 #2
My reaction too. LoisB Jul 2023 #7
So married for thirty year and raised kids. Freethinker65 Jul 2023 #3
Give up a career to raise kids, spouse has a midlife crisis.. lostnfound Jul 2023 #14
exactly why women should never give up their careers Skittles Jul 2023 #16
NEVER!! GenThePerservering Jul 2023 #24
THIS! Exactly. LizBeth Jul 2023 #28
and here he advertises for a bunch of"family values" sleazeballs DonCoquixote Jul 2023 #4
Guess who's getting divorced. Effete Snob Jul 2023 #5
That's what popped in my head. His fairytale marriage might not be so Disneyesque. TheBlackAdder Jul 2023 #11
what's wrong with the court taking in all the facts of the situation and ruling based on that? Takket Jul 2023 #6
The cruelty is the point. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2023 #9
It's not cruelty GenThePerservering Jul 2023 #25
Can he actually do that? 2naSalit Jul 2023 #8
Can he sign a law passed by the legislature? Yes. onenote Jul 2023 #18
Once again, there's a need for a reality check... regnaD kciN Jul 2023 #10
But it puts a time limit edhopper Jul 2023 #12
CALIFORNIA LAW RE SPOUSAL SUPPORT: "Marriage of Long Duration" -- "indefinite" end to support Scottie Mom Jul 2023 #13
I guess child support will be next. $5 per day until age 6? LoisB Jul 2023 #15
My brother is a school teacher, he and his ex-wife have 2 kids, 11 and 8. Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #17
wow, your brother got unfairly bollocksed hard Celerity Jul 2023 #20
Yeah, my bro's experience with alimony has me pretty bitter about the subject Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #21
"it could leave some spouses, particularly women, in a vulnerable financial position." CousinIT Jul 2023 #19
Is that what happens in the other 44 states too? jimfields33 Jul 2023 #26
Keep Digging deMoRon..I'm thinking magat women Cha Jul 2023 #22
Perhaps, but IMO the magat women generally hate other women. Laffy Kat Jul 2023 #23
Husbands are going to flock to move to FL to file for divorce. no_hypocrisy Jul 2023 #27

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,204 posts)
2. i know!!.. he's signing so many laws, the public can't keep up.
Sat Jul 1, 2023, 10:24 PM
Jul 2023

he won't be gov at this term and they will be stuck with this mess

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
3. So married for thirty year and raised kids.
Sat Jul 1, 2023, 10:26 PM
Jul 2023

Go through menopause and get replaced with a newer model and get 15 years support. Get cut off in your 60s?

lostnfound

(17,516 posts)
14. Give up a career to raise kids, spouse has a midlife crisis..
Sat Jul 1, 2023, 11:13 PM
Jul 2023

The mom is usually dealing with the emotionally devastated teens, college age kids.. then she is trying to help the depressed offspring who are suffering after watching dad leave them and the family for the new girlfriend. Except she won’t have time to attend to them, she will be triying to work 2 jobs to pay rent or mortgage,or maybe the kids lose their home too, the one to go back to.

DonCoquixote

(13,957 posts)
4. and here he advertises for a bunch of"family values" sleazeballs
Sat Jul 1, 2023, 10:26 PM
Jul 2023

who want to collect their bevy of trophy wives.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
11. That's what popped in my head. His fairytale marriage might not be so Disneyesque.
Sat Jul 1, 2023, 10:57 PM
Jul 2023

.

He was talking up his wife's beauty like a celebrity does the week before their wife serves them papers.

.

Takket

(23,711 posts)
6. what's wrong with the court taking in all the facts of the situation and ruling based on that?
Sat Jul 1, 2023, 10:32 PM
Jul 2023

GenThePerservering

(3,348 posts)
25. It's not cruelty
Sun Jul 2, 2023, 03:11 AM
Jul 2023

It's power. Cruelty means nothing to gropers - they have no moral compass. Ah, but power for the sake of power- for them that's sweet!

regnaD kciN

(27,633 posts)
10. Once again, there's a need for a reality check...
Sat Jul 1, 2023, 10:43 PM
Jul 2023

This is not eliminating alimony, it’s eliminating permanent alimony. Until today, only seven states provided for permanent alimony. Now, it’s down to six. Many of the most prominent “blue” states (including California, New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, and Washington) haven’t offered it for many years.

Scottie Mom

(5,838 posts)
13. CALIFORNIA LAW RE SPOUSAL SUPPORT: "Marriage of Long Duration" -- "indefinite" end to support
Sat Jul 1, 2023, 11:03 PM
Jul 2023

Family Code 4336 states:

(a) Except on written agreement of the parties to the contrary or a court order terminating spousal support, the court retains jurisdiction indefinitely in a proceeding for dissolution of marriage or for legal separation of the parties where the marriage is of long duration.

(b) For the purpose of retaining jurisdiction, there is a presumption affecting the burden of producing evidence that a marriage of 10 years or more, from the date of marriage to the date of separation, is a marriage of long duration. However, the court may consider periods of separation during the marriage in determining whether the marriage is in fact of long duration. Nothing in this subdivision precludes a court from determining that a marriage of less than 10 years is a marriage of long duration.

(c) Nothing in this section limits the court’s discretion to terminate spousal support in later proceedings on a showing of changed circumstances.

(d) This section applies to the following:

(1) A proceeding filed on or after January 1, 1988.

(2) A proceeding pending on January 1, 1988, in which the court has not entered a permanent spousal support order or in which the court order is subject to modification.”

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
17. My brother is a school teacher, he and his ex-wife have 2 kids, 11 and 8.
Sat Jul 1, 2023, 11:48 PM
Jul 2023

She makes about 3 times what he makes.

He lives in Dublin, CA (this is where he was raised, and their kids were raised til a couple years ago), a VERY expensive to live.

She cheated on him, having affairs with doctors and other medical people, lying about working late shifts, etc.

When they divorced, she moved to her parents house out in Modesto, where she lives rent-free. The kids now go to school out there 80 miles from where they grew up going to school, had friends, etc.

Guess WHO has to pay WHO ... the fucking alimony?

Yep, you guessed right.

There's times alimony is appropriate, but it's also a whole lotta fucking bullshit in other cases. And probably 90% of the time, it's the man paying it, just because.

Funnily enough here in freaking Arizona, it's harder for somebody to get alimony than it is in CA.

Lucky me

(note: I supported my ex-wife financially our ENTIRE MARRIAGE, and even before ... while she pursued her dream of being a famous clothing designer ... which didn't happen. To her credit, she did not even ask the court for it, however, given the circumstances).

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
21. Yeah, my bro's experience with alimony has me pretty bitter about the subject
Sun Jul 2, 2023, 12:23 AM
Jul 2023

And he's sent me some of her filings, she's lied over & over about him in court, or at least drastically embellished the facts.

But she (and her family) have money and a good lawyer.

This is my half-brother, son of our late dad, who was always broke (as is his mother, who's thankfully still around and a wonderful nana to the kids).

I at least have my birth mother and step-father, who have done very well for themselves, and helped me out with my lawyer, etc. My AZ divorce was very fair and equitable. Not the case for my bro in CA.

CousinIT

(12,525 posts)
19. "it could leave some spouses, particularly women, in a vulnerable financial position."
Sat Jul 1, 2023, 11:57 PM
Jul 2023

is the INTENT. American Taliban WANT women financially dependent, domestically and reproductively enslaved, choiceless, entrapped. It's punishment from men who hate women. It's control for evangelicals and Taliban-style authoritarians.

Cha

(318,967 posts)
22. Keep Digging deMoRon..I'm thinking magat women
Sun Jul 2, 2023, 12:47 AM
Jul 2023

would care about that in the magat primary.

Laffy Kat

(16,950 posts)
23. Perhaps, but IMO the magat women generally hate other women.
Sun Jul 2, 2023, 12:56 AM
Jul 2023

They hate themselves as well. I can't think of any other reason why they'd be magats to begin with, you know? Misogyny goes hand in hand with racism and homophobia.

no_hypocrisy

(54,885 posts)
27. Husbands are going to flock to move to FL to file for divorce.
Sun Jul 2, 2023, 05:19 AM
Jul 2023

And for similar reasons when they go bankrupt: to save a boatload of money.

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