Why am I having to fear a Trump presidency

[orangecrush]

After 35 felony counts and more to come, after attempting to overthrow an election and complicity in a violent attack on the U.S. capital?

What bizarro world am I living in?

[dem4decades]

1. Because 40% of Americans are idiots and have the Electoral College rewards them. The Founding

Fathers did some stupid stuff.

[DFW]

5. The Founding Fathers weren't stupid. They were forced into a compromise.

Look at a map of the states in 1787. The smaller states were scared of being tyrannized by „big“ states, which in those days included a comparatively huge Massachusetts and Virginia. The smaller states demanded a super-proportional amount of say-such as the Senate and the Electoral College, or they would not join the „United“ States.“

Never ever envisioning two dozen huge, sparsely populated states like Wyoming or North Dakota, voting en bloc for right wing ignorants and religious terrorists, the bigger colonies went along with the demands of the smaller states-to-be.

[Kaleva]

7. TFG has to win a few of the big states in order to have a chance.

Big states like FL, TX, and OH are a must win for him and then add in a few states like MI and PA

The sparsely populated states with few EC votes alone don't even come close to what he needs

[Lonestarblue]

9. Trump would have Florida, Texas, and Ohio in the bag in 2024.

All have become redder and/or have passed voter repression laws. Texas gave the legislature the power to take over Harris County (Houston) voting, which is heavily Democratic. They didn’t do that to ensure a fair election!

I see Biden winning most of the states he won in 2020 and possibly all of them. The three states I would be concerned about are Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Georgia’s Secretary of State has refused to take recommended improvements to the security of voting systems, even after the evidence of an election worker sharing election machine programming with MAGATs. Plus a Republican governor is likely to look the other way with the legislature declaring fraud that does not exists in counties like Fulton.

Pennsylvania was close last time, but I hope some new jobs from infrastructure and climate investments have gone there.

Wisconsin is the third state of concern because Republicans there are absolutely rabid about electing Trump. Wisconsin is one of the states where Republicans submitted a fake set of electors for the Electoral College. I’m sure they have new dirty tricks or illegal voting actions planned to overturn voters choices in 2024. I’m not sure the governor has any power to stop them since he could not in 2020.

I hope future indictments and convictions will make Trump less appealing to voters, but I don’t trust Republicans in any of those states not to cheat.

[wnylib]

15. He will not get MI and PA this time.

[Kaleva]

18. Then there's not enough small states to make up for that.

[RevBrotherThomas]

31. Oh he'll get FL, TX & OH...

Florida & Ohio aren't purple/swing states anymore.

[Elessar Zappa]

33. Probably but Texas is turning blue.

Every presidential election for the past 20 years has the Democrat inching closer to the Republican. I’d say by at least 2032 Texas will be blue, at least federally.

[RevBrotherThomas]

35. Honestly and I am not trying to be Debbie Downer here...

If tfg wins in 2024, we may not have a 2032 election as we recognize it today.

[Elessar Zappa]

38. Correct which is why he must be defeated.

Luckily we don’t need OH, TX, and FL to win.

[Kaleva]

36. TFG would have no chance w/ o those big states

[claudette]

2. I hear ya

I’m scared too. When will the non-magats wake up to the fear of a criminal in the WH?

[Wonder Why]

21. They do in the liberal states but not in the maggot controlled ones like mine

but hopefully enough of them will vote to protect the country "from all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC".

[ProudMNDemocrat]

3. Rewatch THE LION KING

Serves as a metaphor of things to come if we sit this election out.

We cannot become complacent. Not at this or any juncture of our Nation's history.

[EYESORE 9001]

4. Who benefits from free-floating anxiety circulating throughout society?

Sunlight makes a dandy disinfectant. Let’s turn the tools of technology against those who would enslave us. Billionaires don’t like little peccadilloes like a nazi museum to come to light. Let the sun shine in!

A gift to any listening entrepreneurs: websites exposing billionaires in every way imaginable. They’ve been hoovering-up data on us - quite obtrusively, I might add. Perhaps their daily minutiae should be scrutinized just as closely.

[Demsrule86]

6. There are not enough Trumpers to elect him and he has lost allies in key states who could

help him steal the election and he is no longer president with the power to stage another Coup...the North Carolina SCOTUS ruling was monumental. He will lose the General. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

[jaxexpat]

24. It might be helpful if we stop calling the presidential election a "general election".

It is, more accurately, an electoral contest, a fact of which we have been cruelly reminded twice already in this century.

This would confuse people to distraction and rightly so. We're a nation of people who remain pretty much out of touch with any concept of their government's machinations or potentials. How else could we have been sold on Trump's inevitability as a 2024 presidential candidate. We'll, quite possibly, be justly rewarded for our willful ignorance.

He needs to be imprisoned and everyone knows why. They've known for years already but the "be patient/be lawful/all in good time" crowd has leashed the anger by appealing to our subservient nature. So, we'll probably see the piece of shit's name on the ballot again.

[inthewind21]

43. It might be helpful

If the citizenry in this country actually had a clue, or even the slightest interest in, how the US general election AND their own government works. Instead of depending on the talking heads to TELL them everything. Now there's a novel concept! Continuing to treat the citizenry like daft 3 year old's so they may remain blameless for EVERYTHING ill in life hasn't worked so far. What makes you think it will suddenly start working now?

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

48. It might be more helpful to understand what terms mean

General election != presidential election.

It's the elections held in November, and the term "general" is used to distinguish it from the earlier primary elections, because the "general" election isn't divided by parties choosing candidates to represent them.

General elections happen in presidential-voting years, and in non-Presidential voting years, where congressional reps and/or state offices are often voted on, either "mid-term" elections or, as in Virginia, elections held in states during odd-number years.

[jaxexpat]

53. My point is that the president is elected by electors.

The rest if the candidates, reps and sens, win by popular vote.
They have their elections on the same date. That is the only similarity. Aside from that their contest is settled by a different metric altogether.

[kentuck]

8. We're competitive.

Mostly.

[PelicanScot_V3]

10. Teri Kanefield explains it beautifully...

https://terikanefield.com/what-a-former-republican-calls-the-conspiracy-to-end-america/

[Martin Eden]

14. THE CONSPIRACY TO END AMERICA

Is mentioned in the article, and looks like a MUST READ.

[Justice matters.]

11. Jack Smith is not going to let Qannon delay the trial.

It's a "fast-track" case and he's got the goods like tapes and self-admission lies and lies and lies.

A hung jury would be suspicious af!

[Hotler]

12. Because it will be a dictatorship. Democracry will die. nt

[LetMyPeopleVote]

13. TFG is running to stay out of prison

Link to tweet

[GP6971]

34. Hello.

[Torchlight]

40. Ironic you assert that.

Bizarre, indeed.

[GP6971]

42. You tell me since

you live in a alternate world.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

49. They won't delay it for years

Because they can't. Federal trial guidelines require trials to be held 70 days after indictment, or after all delay attempts have been exhausted.

And TFG is fast running out of road for delays. He used up a whole bunch of them with challenges to the search warrants and executive privilege claims, even *before* the indictment. That will hurt him, and much faster than you think.

[Yavin4]

16. To be frank, I don't get why you're surprised by the real possibility of a 2nd Trump presidency.

We live in a politically polarized nation. Half of the voters will vote for whoever the Republicans nominate.

[2live is 2fly]

25. So basically, One can have a criminal record as long as both arms yet NOT be banned from

running for any elected office including the highest one, that of POTUS. However a single mark on your record in some states will prevent you from voting! Now WTF is that all about? Will somebody please explain it to us, this absolute none-sensical bull$hit!

[Yavin4]

39. First steps towards Fascism is to deny certain populations citizenship status. n/t

[inthewind21]

44. Well

If you don't know, then you haven't been paying attention. This is a story that has been unfolding before our eyes for over 50 years now. There have been warnings after warnings after warnings issued. It's not been a secret.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

50. The criminal record for candidates has long existed

Were you absent from American history class when the 1920 election was under discussion? Because someone in prison ran for the highest office that year.

His name was Eugene Debs, and it was established *back then* that he could run despite being a convicted criminal, because the Constitution had zero provision to prevent it.

You're over a century late in wondering why convicted criminals can run for office, but not vote.

[Paladin]

17. Because some truly evil people are above the law. (nt)

[bmichaelh]

19. Trump is a failure

Why should he get a return engagement.

He did such a miserable job the first time.

How many Americans could have been saved he took a more proactive stance against COVID.

For myself, I do not forget he tried to repeal ACA.

2 years after this attempted repeal, my lymphoma returned (diagnosed 35 years ago)

It took 4 or 5 treatments before we found one that worked.
Back in August 2022, I achieved complete remission.
I will never vote for him.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

52. It's not about deserving the job

It's about how the votes go. Nothing about it has ever been about "deserving."

You're making a classic mistake of confusing "ought" and "is." Ought is about feelings and wishful thinking. Is = reality. The reality of the US political system is that awful people can become elected officials, if enough people vote for them, and all the "ought" or "ought not" has bugger all to do with it.

[vlyons]

20. We live in degenerate times

welcome to the Age of KaliYuga, the Degenerate Age

[MOMFUDSKI]

22. Listen to Maddow's bonus

Podcast. A recap of Agnew with the 3 prosecutors discussing the orange menace and his followers. Good stuff

[carpetbagger]

23. Typical for demogogues.

Have to kill them like zombies. If the democrats run on Trump, and Trump runs on issues (making stuff up as usual, but about issues), he might win. If democrats stick to a moderate version of eat the rich, we win every time.

[jaxexpat]

27. Pretty much totally agree.

Depends, really, on how moderate an "eat the rich" campaign is presented. Some demographics would approve full on "shoot and field-dress on sight" programs while others would respond best to the current pablum of "moderate placation of demands from the wealthy". Such picky eaters are our fellow countrymen. It always amazes me what they regurgitate at the polls every other November. Even with ingredients and label warnings clearly written on the package, sugary treats win hands down.

[carpetbagger]

46. This is an update of a long running strain of analysis.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2023/01/what-italys-failures-to-stop-berlusconi-teach-us-about-preventing-a-trump-comeback

[lambchopp59]

26. The world of education via trash television.

Now multiplied in effect by bias confirmation on the net. My very red family from maternal side was preconditioned via slanted media long ago, compounded by having stark religious bullshit beaten in. They live in a state called Misery largely on inherited wealth privelege they're blissfully unaware of.
I attempted a visit, motorcycle trip to rekindle ties around 20 years ago.
It was a shockingly revealing mistake.

[edisdead]

28. Because you fear it is why you have to fear it

Fear sells in the media. Stop fearing it and it won’t sell for the media.

[RevBrotherThomas]

29. Who the hell is asking this question???

Anyone who is BIPOC, LGBTQ+, female, disabled, a veteran, educated, LOOKING to be educated etc. has EVERYTHING to fear from another Trump term.

I feared for my LGBTQ+ family & friends the first time around. Now that I have fully un-closeted since then as Queer, I am even more afraid.

[Johnny2X2X]

32. 71 felony counts

37 in Florida, 34 in New York.

And counting, my guess is at least another 100 are on the way.

[Stuart G]

45. One thing I think we are not looking at is Donald Trump's Negative Advertising About .."Himself."

Trump has been advertising about himself for years and years. Much of that is truly "NEGATIVE."

THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE TO NOT SEE THIS ASPECT OF DONALD TRUMP.

FOR EXAMPLE: TRUMP DID SAY IN REFERENCE TO THE PANDEMIC....EARLY ON...."IT'S ALL A HOAX."

I THINK TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT AT THE TIME. OUR ADS WITH TRUMP SAYING THAT WILL BE HIGHLY EFFECTIVE.
TRUMP HASN'T A CLUE ON HOW BAD HE HAS DAMAGED HIMSELF, BUT WE HAVE MORE THAN A CLUE. ...

CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS: "OVER AND OVER AS AN ELECTION GETS CLOSER", OUR SIDE PRESENTS THOSE ADS
AS PART OF A CAMPAIGN TO DEFEAT TRUMP. ....DONALD TRUMP SAING, " IT'S ALL A HOAX"..
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF TIMES AROUND THE COUNTRY WILL DESTROY DONALD TRUMP FOR GOOD.

[arthritisR_US]

47. Bizzaro world is aka American Exceptionalism which

every other country knew was BS and we have now seen proven sadly.

[FakeNoose]

51. Keep in mind that this is all being ginned up by American media

The News Journalists of this country want us to all be perched on our seats, listening to every word they say.

It's all bullshit ... ALL of it is BULLSHIT. There is no chance that Chump can ever be elected Potus again.

We have a wonderful, talented incumbent President in Joe Biden and he will win re-election next year. We must believe this and act accordingly. It upsets me to read a lot of this Chump stuff on DU and everywhere else, but I've trained myself to tune it out. At least I hope I have. Joe Biden will be our President for another 4 years and Chump will hopefully be a convicted felon.

The only thing I don't know is, whether or not he'll be sent to prison. Once he's convicted of federal crimes, it's possible that he might get a sentence of "house arrest" or something like that. (We can't control that.) We just need to make sure that Joe Biden is our President for the next term in office.

[orangecrush]

54. Thanks everyone

Anyone who us not horrified by the GOP's apparent willingness to endorse this criminal degenerate must be slurping Prozac smoothies.