Coco Lee is a Chinese American singer who just committed suicide. Female Celebrity's lives suck

[AZLD4Candidate]

Coco Lee committed suicide. She isn't the first, she won't be the last.

Knowing what I know about the business, since I've been in it since 2015, it amazes me that more actresses and female talent don't do that.

I mean, each one has a target on their back to be used as trampolines by every narcissistic pervert that they come in contact with. Yes, they do bring it on themselves at times by putting their career and their lust for power, money, and fame above their self respect and then lying to themselves (it was just sex. . .i survived. . .it didn't kill me). But, it's the reason a lot of them also run into drugs, alcohol, and nervous breakdowns.

The ones that you read in the news are the ones with the biggest bull's eyes on their chests. Britney's meltdown was all about being used and abused behind the scenes. Lindsay Lohan, Selena Gomez, Demi Lovato, even Beyonce is in therapy over it (again, I am in the business).

Chinese female stars get it worse. So do Korean. Because of the traditions of patriarchy, women aren't equals and men control everything. So people like Zhang Zi Yi, Fan Bing Bing, Lee Hyori, Blackpink. . .they all get run through by men. It's almost expected. Lee Chae Rin (CL of 2NE1) told me of the things she needed to do once to get where she is. In fact, as a music producer once told me: "In the business, there is no underage," which explains why 15 year old Aaliyah was a 65 year old man's "toy" when this producer was telling me about his exploits and showing them to me because each one of these perverts tape and record their "sessions" and "romps."

So, it's no surprise that Coco Lee killed herself. Sometimes, it's the only way out of misery. I should know. I've attempted suicide a couple of times.

1: 1997 walking across Rainbow Bridge to go to Niagara Falls in Ontario, I looked down and almost jumped.
2: I almost hanged myself in 2006.
3: 2021, I go my Camaro up to 110 MPH, took my hands off the wheel, closed my eyes, and let the car drift. For some reason, a split second later, I grabbed the wheel and opened my eyes. I stopped on the side of the road and just started bawling my eyes out for a good hour.

People wonder why female celebrities fall apart like Coco Lee did. Now you know. Men do it because they give into their excesses most of the time. Women see it as an escape from a life I wouldn't wish on anyone.

[JI7]

1. There often isn't much focus on women's rights issues in these EAst ASian countries

Because in terms of infrastructure the economy in general they are seen as modern. And we don't see as much activism as we do in other wealthy nations like the US and Western Europe . But that itself is probably due to old traditions where women that engage in it will receive negative response.

[betsuni]

5. Only this year has one of the most famous talent agencies in Japan, Johnny & Associates, apologized

for Johnny Kitagawa's decades of sexual abuse of teen boy clients. Like Weinstein, an open secret. BBC aired a documentary earlier this year about Johnny. Two young men came forward and the Foreign Correspondents Club of Japan gave one of them a press conference. Uh oh, international attention to a problem, can't ignore it anymore. But only an apology, and Johnny died in 2019. Don't even want to think about the number of boys he ... ugh, how many lives ruined.

Now about the girls and women abused in the Japanese entertainment industry, maybe some day.

[JI7]

17. From the few things I read Japan seemed the worst out of wealthy nations

It's not just a matter of changing laws but it's a culture/tradition which just refuses to change if it involves men giving up anything and females gaining anything .

There is often discussion about Japan's economy and how they seem "stuck" . But we never heard about the culture which demands half the population accept being lower class citiizens and how much that can influence the economy .

[betsuni]

20. I love how quietly Japanese women have refused to get married or have children or

care if they have children without getting married and the old men in charge of everything are like, but but but ... women are birthing machine animals who shouldn't work because they'll just quit because all they want is to get married and have a nice big wedding, what happened?

"Stuck" is the right word. Half the population wasted. No wonder.

[Nululu]

2. Such a sad story.

Some day I hope the horror ends for them.

[chowder66]

3. Such a terrible loss.

[Tetrachloride]

4. Regarding your last sentence of the post

An unknown amount in every direction from me.

Sometimes I can do something about it.

[nolabear]

6. I've always wondered about K-POP groups and singers.

The sexualized innocence rather disturbs me though it does seem their fan base are young girls. But that lack of power seems exaggerated and I’ve wondered if they are exploited that way.

I recently read an article about Shirley Temple that horrified me. Same as it ever was.

[AZLD4Candidate]

11. Female k-pop singers are toys for Korean and Japanese millionaires.

Chinese female celebrities are toys for high ranking party members.

[Straw Man]

23. Yes.

I spent most of the '90s living and working in Tokyo. On my way to the subway station every day, I passed a building that housed a talent agency specializing in "idol" singers -- young female J-pop stars. One such star had committed suicide by jumping from the building after being jilted by her manager, with whom her relationship had been personal as well as professional. He had moved on to newer and younger talent. Every year on the anniversary of her death, fans left floral tributes on the sidewalk. It was heartbreaking.

I'm sure it happens everywhere, but perhaps not quite as callously and tragically. Or perhaps so.

[betsuni]

27. Freaks me out when I see J-pop girl bands whose audiences are mostly middle-aged men.

[nolabear]

35. Being a commodity is deadly.

I knew there was a kind of boot campish training program for prospective boy groups but got the willies and didn’t look into the girls. I wonder if the K-POP “army” even thinks about the horrors. I guess they’re so young it’s not something they want to do.

[nolabear]

36. I imagined as much. Just expendables.

Human anime. I started to say it’s unimaginable but who am I kidding?

[highplainsdem]

7. What used to be called the casting couch has been around for a long time,

in modeling as well as entertainment. And variations of it in any business or profession where those with power think they can demand sexual favors from those hoping for career advancement. Most often it's men exploiting women, but not always.

[Celerity]

8. A Love Before Time Coco Lee 李玟 singing at 2001 Oscar Award ceremony -Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon

RIP

[thebigidea]

9. What do you know about the business?

What studios have you worked for?

My experience over the past two decades has been that most people just want to do really good work so they get hired for their next gig. There are absolute scum here and there, but the ratio of scum doesn't seem any worse than retail or restaurants. Sadly, people are exploited in every industry and women always seem to get it worse.

[AZLD4Candidate]

10. I write for production companies. I am a repped writer. I am not on staff.

I refuse to work in the environment where macho and narcissism is rewarded, valued, and admired.

I go in. . .do my business my agent and manager. . .then leave. I got turned off to everything by 2020.

[betsuni]

29. So you were in the business from 2015 to 2020. Five years.

What were your stories? As an "adult who knows the business" and "degradation."

[AZLD4Candidate]

30. I'm still in the business as a writer.

[betsuni]

31. Then why did you say you "got turned off to everything by 2020"?

What does that mean? As a writer, it's not clear what you mean. What were your stories? What was so horrible? "I would say you had a choice."

[BlackSkimmer]

40. Hmm.

Good questions.

[shrike3]

42. I know someone who worked in Hollywood for fifty years.

Now retired. Worked behind the scenes, makeup and hair. I don't have permission to talk about her resume, but she worked on some blockbusters. Loved the work but had no love for certain people in the business, particularly men in power. Not a good place to be a woman, she's said more than once. I can't say she would agree with AZ. But I don't think she'd say he was wrong.

[rockfordfile]

12. Never heard of her.

I looked her up she was 48 yrs old. She made the decision years ago to sing. I don't know but perhaps she was a drug addict. Sympathy for her family.

I don't care for that kpop music.

[AZLD4Candidate]

13. She wasn't K-pop. She was Cantapop.

And no, she wasn't a drug addict.

She had a nervous breakdown.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

18. Coco Lee

[Scrivener7]

24. Get off my lawn.

[MerryBlooms]

14. Wai, I am totally confused. I have you mixed up with the guy who

Was a teacher, married to a Chinese woman... Understandably frustrated, and yelling about our immigration system. Then, a DU member tried to help, something went wrong and you were super angry with him and everyone. But, I remember, you said you were a school teacher, but now you're saying you're a professional in the music business!?! I'm pretty sure I am remembering your moniker as being a school teacher! 🤔

[AZLD4Candidate]

15. No. I'm a screenwriter and a teacher.

I was super angry at everyone over how my wife was treated and is still being treated.

You want my IMDB?

https://pro.imdb.com/name/nm7788089

There is a paywall because it IMDBpro is a pay site.

[MerryBlooms]

16. Okay, so I am not confused, same moniker. Thanks for confirming.

I don't know what imbd is, doesn't concern me.

[Duppers]

19. Most folks who look for info on any movie know....

The Internet Movie Database (IMDb) is an online database containing information and statistics about movies, TV shows and video games as well as actors, directors and other film industry professionals.

[Whatthe_Firetruck]

21. Internet Movie Database...

Lists all of the credits for everything.

[TwilightZone]

32. You could have just as easily linked to the non-pro site.

Here: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7788089/

[BlackSkimmer]

33. Yeah, that's the one I use all the time.

Of course, I'm not "in the business."

[BlackSkimmer]

22. Same here.

I thought OP was a teacher working overseas in China, and recently he was upset because his contract was not being renewed?

[Scrivener7]

25. Do you really think they "bring it on themselves"

through their "lust" for power, money and fame, or are they just kids who see other kids doing something fun and want to tey for it themselves?

I'm sorry you had a hard time.

[AZLD4Candidate]

26. As kids, no. As adults who know the business, yes.

I've spoken to many who were more than willing parts of their own degradation, then would come to me on encrypted apps and cry to me how awful it was.

I would say you had a choice.

[Scrivener7]

34. Was it a requirement to participate in the degradation

in order to make a living in the business they had trained for? It sounds like you are saying it is, and I can believe that.

[BlackSkimmer]

28. She seems to have had a very successful career.

But was suffering from breast cancer and depression.

I would think those two issues might have more to do with her death than the "industry" in which she apparently succeeded and thrived.

At any rate, it seems a generalization to say "female celebrities' lives suck." I can think of a dozen who appear to be having the time of their lives as celebrities.

[TheProle]

37. The OP historically views everything through the lens of his own challenges.

The OP is cringe-inducing for sure.

[BlackSkimmer]

38. I think this is true, judging from past experience.

This woman had a fantastic career...as did Naomi Judd, as did Robin Williams, Anthony Bourdain, Freddie Prinze...sadly, it's a long list.

So many factors within a suicide. I doubt this was to do with her career.

[XanaDUer2]

39. Did you get a new teaching job? Nt

[AZLD4Candidate]

41. Yeah. I did.

[liberal_mama]

43. I think life is very difficult for most people. I don't know many people who haven't suffered

during their lives, unless they are sociopaths who have no empathy. When I look around at the terrible state of the world, the horrible way people treat each other, the plague spreaders who infect and kill people with Covid, global warming, lying scum bag politicians, war, starvation, late stage capitalism, homelessness, unaffordable food and housing, it is really devastating to me. It's very hard to want to stay in a world that is so awful and cruel.