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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 09:47 AM Jul 2023

Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton: I still feel strongly that the Supreme Court




I still feel strongly that the Supreme Court needs to stand on the side of the American people, not on the side of corporations and the wealthy.



America Has a Supreme Court Problem
Hillary Clinton tried warning us. Now, what do you do with a rogue Court?
BY MOLLY JONG-FAST

JULY 5, 2023
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/07/supreme-court-legitimacy-crisis
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Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton: I still feel strongly that the Supreme Court (Original Post) BeckyDem Jul 2023 OP
It is a problem AnnaLee Jul 2023 #1
It is concerning. What I found the most disturbing about 2016 was the electoral college BeckyDem Jul 2023 #2
You are exactly right on every point DeeDeeNY Jul 2023 #10
Thank you, DeeDeeNY. BeckyDem Jul 2023 #11
the 'young' have been fed disaffection stopdiggin Jul 2023 #3
Let's see it from their point of view. progressoid Jul 2023 #17
don't really disagree stopdiggin Jul 2023 #22
Cop movies invariable show ExWhoDoesntCare Jul 2023 #21
and plenty of 'dirty cops' in any stopdiggin Jul 2023 #23
I sometimes Rebl2 Jul 2023 #5
No need to THINK inthewind21 Jul 2023 #7
👆👆👆! Rebl2 Jul 2023 #20
If they lose interest and don't vote, they are the problem. LisaM Jul 2023 #12
Thanks HRC! Blue Owl Jul 2023 #4
We missed out on HRC RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2023 #6
Oh no inthewind21 Jul 2023 #8
And we missed out on Al Gore. The 2000 election was actually cheating. FL went for Gore SharonAnn Jul 2023 #14
It was all part of the MAGA Taliban's plan to steal SCOTUS. Initech Jul 2023 #18
Gore got screwed and so did democracy RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2023 #19
Interesting that the consortium was so thorough.. Permanut Jul 2023 #24
never happen llashram Jul 2023 #9
The current SCOTUS sides with the religious reich. And that's who they need to stop siding with. Initech Jul 2023 #13
They really side with the rich and the fanatical religious. SharonAnn Jul 2023 #15
What was the big problem with Hillary? What was all that about her being corrupt and corporatist betsuni Jul 2023 #16

AnnaLee

(1,075 posts)
1. It is a problem
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 10:22 AM
Jul 2023

If my young relatives are any measure, the anger at the older generation is close to boiling over. My nephew, a liberal, declared that there was no difference between Trump and Biden. I challenged him and he mumbled something about campaign promises and continuing to do things the old way. I feel sure, given the choice, he would vote Biden but I fear many of his generation might just lose interest and not vote. That could be a disaster.

Somehow, he seemed immature for a 30-year-old but I'm sure what mature really is now days.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
2. It is concerning. What I found the most disturbing about 2016 was the electoral college
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 10:31 AM
Jul 2023

issue, which has no legitimacy imho and has corrupted democracy in America.

This issue has been long overlooked and not addressed with vigor. Hillary Clinton won the majority vote and not by a tiny measure, she won in any functioning democracy.

Our young people, and I'm old, should believe that with political will, and a good fight, we can change the political landscape. But it can be hard to believe in a system when Citizen United is a huge culprit too. Biden has a lot of obstacles, two are named Sinema and Manchin.

I believe they are mostly responsible for his poll numbers.

stopdiggin

(11,814 posts)
3. the 'young' have been fed disaffection
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 10:41 AM
Jul 2023

and alienation (from every conceivable side and source, left, right, entertainment, educational, media, parents and on ..) for their entire lives ...

How can we possibly expect optimism - or any real degree of faith and support - in a 'system' they have been so thoroughly poisoned against?

When was the last time you watched a movie where the 'government' (and/or authority) wasn't some sort of deep state cabal .. ?

progressoid

(50,183 posts)
17. Let's see it from their point of view.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 12:33 PM
Jul 2023

The system is broken. They are inheriting a planet and a socioeconomic system that is spiraling out of control. And they see little chance of it getting any better. It is hard to disagree with that sentiment. Thinking about what my children will have to live with is distressing at best.

We (old people) are going to die soon. They are the ones that going to have to deal with this mess.

stopdiggin

(11,814 posts)
22. don't really disagree
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 04:42 PM
Jul 2023

But (and it's a huge but) - do you see any better alternatives for dealing with the pressing issues of today .. than democracy and voting? Surely an old progressive isn't leaning toward authoritarian solutions?

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ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
21. Cop movies invariable show
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 02:14 PM
Jul 2023

People doing good government work, often without a deep state cabal involved.

Just from 2022:

Decision to Leave
The Batman
See How They Run

stopdiggin

(11,814 posts)
23. and plenty of 'dirty cops' in any
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 04:48 PM
Jul 2023

fictionalized piece as well. So many in fact that its almost trope.

But I give you due credit for actually bringing forward real examples, and real detail for your argument. Points for that.

Rebl2

(13,976 posts)
5. I sometimes
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:30 AM
Jul 2023

think younger and some older people think the president has all the power, but I think Congress has much more than the president. Some campaign promises just don’t get done because of the congress that the president has been dealt.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
7. No need to THINK
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:44 AM
Jul 2023

it. It IS. Period. Anyone thinking that the POTUS can deliver on every single promise with a republican majority in the house and a barely majority in the senate is a fool. And anyone who doesn't vote for the DEM, any DEM, as if their life depended on it will get more of the same. It absolutely boggles the mind how people can complain about republicans while in the same breath whine about what Biden is not doing for them and how they have lost faith in the "old guard". I guess another republican president would be just dandy huh?

LisaM

(27,977 posts)
12. If they lose interest and don't vote, they are the problem.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 12:06 PM
Jul 2023

They can't keep blaming previous generations, and 30 is not all that young.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,760 posts)
6. We missed out on HRC
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:38 AM
Jul 2023

She would have been great !


I wanna quit blaming voters, she had way more votes then TFG it was simply that the culture, was not ready for her and all the baggage that came with the certain news networks basically had a 20 year mis-information war against her and her family.

SharonAnn

(13,804 posts)
14. And we missed out on Al Gore. The 2000 election was actually cheating. FL went for Gore
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 12:26 PM
Jul 2023

Granted, it was a small margin (less than 1,000 I think) but shutting down the recount vote in Miami (by the Brooks Brothers rioters, nearly all of whom were staffers of R Congressman and affiliated PACs) meant that GWB could get away with stealing the election.

The study of actual FL votes was done by a consortium of news organizations. Gore won. It was finalized and due to be published on Sept. 12th, 2001 but obviously was not published until some time later. We were still living through the 9-11 trauma for quite a while and it didn't get nearly the attention it should have. Most people I talk to about this don't know it was done and don't know what the conclusion was.

It's a shame.

Initech

(100,571 posts)
18. It was all part of the MAGA Taliban's plan to steal SCOTUS.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 12:37 PM
Jul 2023

And the fucking assholes got what they wanted when Fuckhead 45 stole the election. They got their prize - the overturning of Roe V Wade. May they all pay dearly for it and may they all rot in the fieriest pit of hell.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,760 posts)
19. Gore got screwed and so did democracy
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 12:38 PM
Jul 2023

and we got Roberts and Kav and Barrett who all worked on that lawsuit as well, payback was a path to a seat on that court

A 5/4 decision against humanity

I wish we had a functioning and engaged internet when Gore(won) but the Supreme court picked the winner.


Rehnquist rot in hell !

Permanut

(5,945 posts)
24. Interesting that the consortium was so thorough..
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 09:52 PM
Jul 2023

They concluded that under any conditions - hanging chads no chads, discarded chads - Gore still won.

llashram

(6,269 posts)
9. never happen
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:49 AM
Jul 2023

in the near future at last. Proven compromised advocates sitting on the Supreme Court support the wealthy and not the law. And this fact until they retire or die. And as long as the Republicon Party has trump as its flag bearer ain't going to change...

Initech

(100,571 posts)
13. The current SCOTUS sides with the religious reich. And that's who they need to stop siding with.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 12:17 PM
Jul 2023

The Fox News MAGA Taliban can go fuck themselves to the highest of hells.

SharonAnn

(13,804 posts)
15. They really side with the rich and the fanatical religious.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 12:26 PM
Jul 2023

In some cases, like mega-churches and Opus Dei, they're one and the same.

betsuni

(26,549 posts)
16. What was the big problem with Hillary? What was all that about her being corrupt and corporatist
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 12:31 PM
Jul 2023

and Wall Street Wall Street Goldman Sachs? Who were the ones throwing dollar bills and calling her "corporate *****" when she went to a fundraiser at George Clooney's house?

"The overarching quest of her public life has always been how to help every man, woman, and child reach their full potential. That purpose drove every policy rollout, every bill in the Senate, every speech she delivered, every town and country she visited, every book she wrote. Her focus was always how to give each child the opportunity to grow and flourish, every parent the tools to raise healthy, educated children, every person the right to live in dignity, every worker the protections and rights to succeed and thrive."
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