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Paper Roses

(7,632 posts)
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 04:40 PM Jul 2023

Another Interest Rate hike. Just heard on the news. Yes, I'm angry.

With the good work that Biden is doing, I can't understand why this is necessary. It punishes those of us who have any debt. Whether it is mortgage, Credit card...whatever. It is killing me. My late husband and I fell for the "good things" about a Reverse Mortgage. We took one out to do some repair needed for our 200 year old house. Update the kitchen and bath. Sell the house and move to something smaller since our kids were now off on their own. Shortly after applying and signing for this awful thing, my husband died(15 years ago). I have had to borrow a couple of times but the interest is killing me and certainly the same thing is happening to others.

Can someone please tell me why this is rise in rates is a good thing. Who suffers? Certainly not the wealthy. What's a few more dollars for them. For those like me and others with any kind of debt, it is a disaster.
(Thanks for letting me vent).

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Another Interest Rate hike. Just heard on the news. Yes, I'm angry. (Original Post) Paper Roses Jul 2023 OP
Agreed Chi67 Jul 2023 #1
I'm no economist and couldn't start to explain SharonClark Jul 2023 #2
They are trying to slow down the economy to curb inflation, and it is actually JohnSJ Jul 2023 #3
Raising interest rates rownesheck Jul 2023 #4
Just about every economist SCantiGOP Jul 2023 #11
Killing investment interest rates NewHendoLib Jul 2023 #5
To cut money supply and dampen inflation. It's working. marble falls Jul 2023 #6
It's correlated - inflation has been going down while interest rates have been going up, but... Silent3 Jul 2023 #36
The trick is to keep it from going into recession. The Fed meets often and discusses it thoroughly.. marble falls Jul 2023 #38
I thought reverse mortgages pay you. Mosby Jul 2023 #7
Yeah, my first thoughts.... AZ8theist Jul 2023 #9
I don't believe a word that the reverse mortgage sellers utter. JanMichael Jul 2023 #12
Agreed AZ8theist Jul 2023 #15
They can be great when used wisely. A moonscape Jul 2023 #29
I think reverse mortgages are the best way to give your inheritance to the bank. airplaneman Jul 2023 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Jul 2023 #40
The interest rate increase eats up moonscape Jul 2023 #28
short answer is that inflation is still too high stopdiggin Jul 2023 #8
Without the rate hikes SCantiGOP Jul 2023 #10
Interest on the National Debt is spiking too. Frasier Balzov Jul 2023 #13
Fed SPECIFICALLY wants unemployment to rise... It's sick JCMach1 Jul 2023 #14
Powell does, who by the newdayneeded Jul 2023 #25
I dont think interest rate hikes is the solution to inflation. honest.abe Jul 2023 #16
Interesting inthewind21 Jul 2023 #18
Post removed Post removed Jul 2023 #19
Inflation is too hgh Progressive dog Jul 2023 #17
Inflation was a lot higher in 1979-1983.... DemocraticPatriot Jul 2023 #33
Sometime during that period Progressive dog Jul 2023 #39
It doesn't hurt people with debt Zeitghost Jul 2023 #20
where are you hearing this? I just checked multiple news sites and google and nothing about a rate Takket Jul 2023 #21
If you listen to or read financial/economic news the Federal Reserve is all GoodRaisin Jul 2023 #37
Very sorry. I think problem is that inflation hits food, affordable houses, health Silent Type Jul 2023 #22
What a lot of others have said, it slows down the economy and reverses inflation. Xolodno Jul 2023 #23
What you heard is that another rate hike is *anticipated* when the Fed marybourg Jul 2023 #24
It's not being done by Biden. W_HAMILTON Jul 2023 #26
THIS calikid Jul 2023 #27
Powell is not a holdover. former9thward Jul 2023 #32
+1 CountAllVotes Jul 2023 #43
Don't Think It's Needed ProfessorGAC Jul 2023 #30
If you took some kind of "variable interest rate" on a reverse mortgage, DemocraticPatriot Jul 2023 #34
The Fed increased the money supply by about 50 percent during the pandemic. roamer65 Jul 2023 #35
My thoughts CountAllVotes Jul 2023 #41
Hasn't happened yet, later this month, July, so say the experts, then, maybe one more this yr Shanti Shanti Shanti Jul 2023 #42

Chi67

(1,285 posts)
1. Agreed
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 04:47 PM
Jul 2023

Thus shit needs to stop. I would love to buy a condo in the next year, but I can't til interest rates come down.

SharonClark

(10,497 posts)
2. I'm no economist and couldn't start to explain
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 04:49 PM
Jul 2023

economic policy, but it helps people who save money.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
3. They are trying to slow down the economy to curb inflation, and it is actually
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 04:51 PM
Jul 2023

working somewhat

I suspect we are very close to the end of rate hikes.

Compared to what Paul Volker did, this rate increase is very moderate

Problem was that interest rates were kept too low for too long after the economic implosion caused by deregulation

rownesheck

(2,343 posts)
4. Raising interest rates
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 04:54 PM
Jul 2023

to slow down the economy. Sounds like an f'd up system, right? Anything that helps the regular folks is seen as bad in a capitalist economy because corporations have to compete for workers which means they have to increase worker pay which means cutting into corporate profits. Millionaires and billionaires can't stand to lose even the teensiest amount of money. So, in order to make them happy, the fed has to try and crash the economy.

Who in the hell thought this would be a good system?

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
36. It's correlated - inflation has been going down while interest rates have been going up, but...
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 01:22 AM
Jul 2023

...as is often said, correlation is not necessarily causation.

It's hard to know if other factors haven't been more important, like broken supply chain problems clearing up, or like the spate of price gouging we all know has been a big problem perhaps having run most of its course.

marble falls

(71,936 posts)
38. The trick is to keep it from going into recession. The Fed meets often and discusses it thoroughly..
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 07:34 AM
Jul 2023

... SoT Janet Yellen's and Fed Reserve head Jerome Powell seems to have done a good job.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
7. I thought reverse mortgages pay you.
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 05:13 PM
Jul 2023

And it sounds like you took out some HELOCs. You should talk to a financial advisor or your banker.

AZ8theist

(7,381 posts)
9. Yeah, my first thoughts....
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 05:20 PM
Jul 2023

Why would interest rates affect a reverse mortgage? You don't pay it off until the property is sold.

Or at least that's the sales pitch.

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
12. I don't believe a word that the reverse mortgage sellers utter.
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 05:24 PM
Jul 2023

Who knows what they can do once you sign.

They should be illegal.

AZ8theist

(7,381 posts)
15. Agreed
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 05:26 PM
Jul 2023

It's like the multitude of commercials selling Medicare Advantage.

They NEVER tell you about the medical denial nightmares.

moonscape

(5,725 posts)
29. They can be great when used wisely. A
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 07:36 PM
Jul 2023

close friend’s financial planner advised her to use an equity-line reverse mortgage as a financial tool and it has worked brilliantly for her. She got it when 1st eligible, used it for extra expenses not to live on, sold her house and moved to Oregon, got another one with her purchase, then refinanced it when interest rates were low which opened up more credit line, and at 80 years old has been thrilled with how good it has been for her.

airplaneman

(1,386 posts)
31. I think reverse mortgages are the best way to give your inheritance to the bank.
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 12:14 AM
Jul 2023

A few things I am aware of.
-10% are in default (a pretty high number for a variety of reasons)
-You pay upfront about $25K for insurance that protects the bank
-You cannot re-negotiate the interest rate
-They make you buy expensive home insurance (its not your choice what policy you buy)
-It's probably the most expensive way to borrow money.
There are other ways to borrow where you don't screw yourself so badly.
-Airplane

Response to JanMichael (Reply #12)

stopdiggin

(15,463 posts)
8. short answer is that inflation is still too high
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 05:19 PM
Jul 2023

(although improving more than many had hoped, or thought possible) Or at least too high in the eyes of the fed. Whether or not they are correct in that - a really good argument can be made that a high inflation economy is every bit as damaging to an economy (including to the 'little guy' ) as a period of high interest 'corrections.'

whether you're persuaded by that explanation or not ... kinda' depends on your personal situation and, to some degree, the 'camp' you fall into. (meaning - not everyone's opinion is based on their personal bread and butter)

SCantiGOP

(14,720 posts)
10. Without the rate hikes
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 05:22 PM
Jul 2023

We might have 20% or higher inflation now, and a major recession as a result.
Turkey currently has interest rates of 15%, and because they took so long to act the inflation rate is around 80%.
Raising interest rates is not some nefarious plot against Biden.

Frasier Balzov

(5,062 posts)
13. Interest on the National Debt is spiking too.
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 05:25 PM
Jul 2023

That's a budget buster on a macro scale.

Accelerated borrowing to service the debt on previous borrowing.

Taxes will need to be raised.

 

newdayneeded

(2,493 posts)
25. Powell does, who by the
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 06:56 PM
Jul 2023

way, was appointed by trump. But I'm sure a trump appointed person would never do something to hinder the Biden administration. Right?....Right?

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
16. I dont think interest rate hikes is the solution to inflation.
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 05:27 PM
Jul 2023

The problem is people are still spending like crazy and businesses are raising prices like crazy because they can get away with it. We go to Costco frequently and its always wall to wall people with huge loads of items in their oversized cart. How is raising interest rates going to stop that??

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
18. Interesting
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 06:02 PM
Jul 2023

Your basing "people spending like crazy" based on what you assume of others during your own "frequent" trips to Costco? Did you also see a lady there with 6 kids and a Gucci purse roll out of her Esclade and pay with food stamps?

Response to inthewind21 (Reply #18)

Progressive dog

(7,604 posts)
17. Inflation is too hgh
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 05:47 PM
Jul 2023

Raising interest rates is the main weapon the FED has against inflation. The rising interest rates don't affect existing fixed rate loans.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
33. Inflation was a lot higher in 1979-1983....
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 12:50 AM
Jul 2023

I have always thought that those complaining about the post-pandemic inflation
are a bunch of "snowflakes" who don't have any idea
what "high inflation" IS.... (or they are the news media, trying to bring down Biden)


Further, that 80 inflation was combined with high unemployment and high interest rates,
so those "disapproving" of the Biden economy
don't have a goddam clue how good they have it!

(Maybe they should ask their parents, or their grandparents....)


Progressive dog

(7,604 posts)
39. Sometime during that period
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 12:58 PM
Jul 2023

I earned 12% interest on a 2 year CD. In 77 I got a twenty year fixed rate mortgage at 8.5%, we sure did have high inflation then.

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
20. It doesn't hurt people with debt
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 06:20 PM
Jul 2023

At least not for the most part because most debt has fixed terms. It discourages new debt and encourages saving.

Takket

(23,715 posts)
21. where are you hearing this? I just checked multiple news sites and google and nothing about a rate
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 06:25 PM
Jul 2023

hike.........

GoodRaisin

(10,922 posts)
37. If you listen to or read financial/economic news the Federal Reserve is all
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 02:08 AM
Jul 2023

but promising another rate increase and probably two more this year, one in July and another in the 4th quarter. I watch Bloomberg and they talk about potential rate hikes as much as MSNBC talks about Trump.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
22. Very sorry. I think problem is that inflation hits food, affordable houses, health
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 06:26 PM
Jul 2023

care, home maintenance, common consumer products, etc. That is, Stuff that impacts hundreds of millions of us here and billions worldwide.

If inflation affected only the wealthy, I doubt we’d care or do anything.

Xolodno

(7,350 posts)
23. What a lot of others have said, it slows down the economy and reverses inflation.
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 06:42 PM
Jul 2023

It slows down the Money Supply.

Here is the danger if inflation goes unchecked, soon as you get paid, you run to the store and buy a durable good (i.e. washer, appliance, car, etc.) or drop it into assets that do well during inflation (gold, silver, etc.). Because in a month, you can sell those items for more cash and get what you need. Never mind what this does to supply chains.

And some assets are just held (such as homes) and reduces supply and increases the price. One of the reasons we have not seen the housing market correct itself a bit. So high prices...high interest. Not the time to buy.

And truth be told, they are really taking the conservative approach. Paul Volkner basically yanked the cords to the machines that printed money and dropped us into a nasty recession.

Yes, its painful, but necessary. There aren't too many levers to pull to fix inflation. We can always do what President Ford did and give out buttons that said WIN (Whip Inflation Now)....which did nothing.

The Fed used to run things by having inflation targets and adjust accordingly, so an increase here and decrease there wasn't so painful. But then we got Trump, who put a ton of pressure on the Fed not to raise rates, which started to overheat the economy. Then the pandemic which threw everything into chaos. If we had gotten those increases sooner, it would have been more manageable.

marybourg

(13,642 posts)
24. What you heard is that another rate hike is *anticipated* when the Fed
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 06:44 PM
Jul 2023

meets on July 25.

And since I am a retiree living on my late spouse’s and my savings, I am one of the ones benefitting, after several years of interest rates so low that my money was essentially earning nothing, and *I* was being “punished”.

It will take another 2 1/2 years, at the current interest rate to make up what I lost to low interest rates. And I may not have 2 1/2 years before I need to start paying for long term care.

But that’s part of living in a capitalist society. I certainly reaped the benefits when, at the start of my earning and saving life, money market interest rates were 16-17%. Of course, mortgage interest was 18% then. So, the economy giveth, and the economy taketh away.

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
26. It's not being done by Biden.
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 07:00 PM
Jul 2023

It's being done by a Republican holdover in the independent Fed who is purposefully trying to inflict pain under the guise of controlling inflation, even though inflation has already been coming down and controlled.

Democrats need to learn to clean house of these Republicans once they can. First Comey, now Powell. Get rid of them and feel absolutely no guilt in doing so.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
32. Powell is not a holdover.
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 12:26 AM
Jul 2023

He was reappointed by Biden when Powell's first term ended. He became a Biden appointee at that point. Comey was never a holdover either. Obama appointed him to be FBI Director in 2013. Trump fired him in 2017.

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
30. Don't Think It's Needed
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 08:13 PM
Jul 2023

The downward trajectory of the inflation rate is still pretty encouraging.
This shows impatience by Powell even though the rate is lower than anticipated.
I think they could have waited a couple months to see how things shake out. The economy is a supertanker not a Ferrari. Doesn't turn on a dime. (Pun intended)

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
34. If you took some kind of "variable interest rate" on a reverse mortgage,
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 12:53 AM
Jul 2023

well, that would not have been very smart. Maybe you should have done more research....

roamer65

(37,957 posts)
35. The Fed increased the money supply by about 50 percent during the pandemic.
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 01:06 AM
Jul 2023

They are now increasing interest rates and engaging in quantitative tightening. The goal is to control inflation, but can they do it without popping asset bubbles like housing, stocks, etc?

I doubt it.

CountAllVotes

(22,215 posts)
41. My thoughts
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 01:13 PM
Jul 2023

I thought that if you took out a reverse mortgage, they send you a check for the value of your home (which these crooks determine!). Now the crooks own YOUR home.

Supposedly all you pay is the regular expenses, like taxes and insurance.

Why are you making payments?

I don't get it!

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