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applegrove

(133,102 posts)
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 04:46 PM Jul 2023

Turkey Has Agreed to Let Sweden Join NATO

Turkey Has Agreed to Let Sweden Join NATO

July 10, 2023 at 3:45 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 123 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2023/07/10/turkey-has-agreed-to-let-sweden-join-nato/

"SNIP.........

“Turkey’s president gave his approval for Sweden to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the alliance’s secretary general said, paving the way for NATO to complete a historic expansion launched in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine,” the Wall Street Journal reports.

“The last-minute solution to the deadlock allows NATO to enter the summit having ironed out major differences, projecting unity in the face of Russian aggression.”



Taegon Goddard:

This is a major and very consequential win for President Biden.

........SNIP"

Applegrove:

You would think after Turkey has to take in millions of Syrian refugees that they would see the danger in Russia destabilizing the world as Russia backed Assad and kept Syrian war going.

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Turkey Has Agreed to Let Sweden Join NATO (Original Post) applegrove Jul 2023 OP
Excellent boston bean Jul 2023 #1
Excellent niyad Jul 2023 #2
How nice of them Mad_Machine76 Jul 2023 #3
Great! Kaleva Jul 2023 #4
So Erdogan will finally get the Chuuku Davis Jul 2023 #5
Sad - but (probably) true peppertree Jul 2023 #12
I wonder what they were holdingo out for. Qutzupalotl Jul 2023 #6
Same question. Curious as to what the payoff was to get them to agree finally. nt Carlitos Brigante Jul 2023 #7
EU admission and F16s Chuuku Davis Jul 2023 #8
Dispute was over Sweden allowing free speech about the "prophet". I don't know what resolution was.n Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #10
They won't allow free speech about the Prophet now. maxsolomon Jul 2023 #13
No (& that wasn't the main reason anyway, see post 14), Turkey threw a strop because multiple times Celerity Jul 2023 #17
No, the main dispute was Turkey has been accusing us of harbouring Kurdish activists they regard Celerity Jul 2023 #14
That's the reason I remember hearing. maxsolomon Jul 2023 #20
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but Haggis 4 Breakfast Jul 2023 #26
Fethullah Gulen Celerity Jul 2023 #31
I think I was mistakenly giving too much weight to the recent incident with the Iraqi burning quran Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #30
Press statement following the meeting between Turkiye, Sweden, and the NATO Secretary General Celerity Jul 2023 #19
This is VERY good news! . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2023 #9
About time. Long overdue for Turkey to stop holding it up. wnylib Jul 2023 #11
Good! nt SunSeeker Jul 2023 #15
Kudos to T[u umlaut]rkiye soldierant Jul 2023 #16
Ball's in your court, Orban. LudwigPastorius Jul 2023 #18
A week ago: Hungary Says It'll Back Sweden's NATO Entry Once Turkey Moves Celerity Jul 2023 #21
That's good. LudwigPastorius Jul 2023 #22
Good news. Every day of delay was a gift to Pootie. Martin68 Jul 2023 #23
This is Turkey's 2nd move against the wishes of Putin in less than a week FakeNoose Jul 2023 #24
Indeed. Does seem like there's more here than meets the eye. calimary Jul 2023 #25
Maybe the threat of Turkey being in Putin's orbit, or pal, is not so safe so applegrove Jul 2023 #28
Okay, NOW, let's admit Ukraine !! Haggis 4 Breakfast Jul 2023 #27
cant til the war is over. mopinko Jul 2023 #32
Kicking back to the top. n/t ChazII Jul 2023 #29

Qutzupalotl

(15,856 posts)
6. I wonder what they were holdingo out for.
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 05:20 PM
Jul 2023

Anybody know what Turkey got in exchange for their approval?

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
10. Dispute was over Sweden allowing free speech about the "prophet". I don't know what resolution was.n
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 05:38 PM
Jul 2023

Celerity

(54,878 posts)
17. No (& that wasn't the main reason anyway, see post 14), Turkey threw a strop because multiple times
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 06:21 PM
Jul 2023

we allowed Quran burnings by RWers (allowed under our freedom freedom of speech stance).

Here was the main reason they were blocking us:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218078776#post14

Celerity

(54,878 posts)
14. No, the main dispute was Turkey has been accusing us of harbouring Kurdish activists they regard
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 06:13 PM
Jul 2023

as terrorists. They initially drew up a list of dozens of people they demanded we extradite to Turkey, including many Swedish citizens and even a member of the Riksdag (our parliament).

maxsolomon

(39,127 posts)
20. That's the reason I remember hearing.
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 06:26 PM
Jul 2023

harboring fugitive Kurds.

I guess Turkey's given up on punishing other nations for asserting that the Armenian Genocide happened.

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,505 posts)
26. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 07:39 PM
Jul 2023

Didn't that disgrace to the Army, Mike Flynn and his equally-deranged brother, attempt to kidnap a Muslim cleric, who resides in the US, and then spirit him away to Turkey because Erdogan wanted to execute him for his protesting the crackdown of Erdogan's thuggish state police ??

Anyone remember this ?

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
30. I think I was mistakenly giving too much weight to the recent incident with the Iraqi burning quran
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 08:41 PM
Jul 2023

Thanks for correcting me.

Celerity

(54,878 posts)
19. Press statement following the meeting between Turkiye, Sweden, and the NATO Secretary General
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 06:25 PM
Jul 2023
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_217147.htm


NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, President of Türkiye Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, and Prime Minister of Sweden, Ulf Kristersson


On 10 July, 2023, President Recep Tayyip Erdoǧan of Türkiye, Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson of Sweden, and NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg met at the NATO Summit in Vilnius.

Since the last NATO Summit, Sweden and Türkiye have worked closely together to address Türkiye’s legitimate security concerns. As part of that process, Sweden has amended its constitution, changed its laws, significantly expanded its counter- terrorism cooperation against the PKK, and resumed arms exports to Türkiye, all steps set out in the Trilateral Memorandum agreed in 2022.

Sweden and Türkiye agree today to continue their cooperation under both the Trilateral Permanent Joint Mechanism established at the Madrid NATO Summit 2022, and under a new bilateral Security Compact that will meet annually at ministerial level and create working groups as appropriate. At the first meeting of this Security Compact, Sweden will present a roadmap as the basis of its continued fight against terrorism in all its forms and manifestations towards the full implementation of all elements of the Trilateral Memorandum, including article 4. Sweden reiterates that it will not provide support to YPG/PYD, and the organisation described as FETÖ in Türkiye.

Both Sweden and Türkiye agreed that counter-terrorism cooperation is a long-term effort, which will continue beyond Sweden’s accession to NATO. Secretary General Stoltenberg also reconfirmed that NATO categorically condemns terrorism in all its forms and manifestations. NATO will be significantly stepping up its work in this area, including by the Secretary General establishing, for the first time at NATO, the post of Special Coordinator for Counter-Terrorism.

We commit to the principle that there should be no restrictions, barriers or sanctions to defence trade and investment among Allies. We will work towards eliminating such obstacles.

Sweden and Türkiye have also agreed to step up economic cooperation, through the Türkiye-Sweden Joint Economic and Trade Committee (JETCO). Both Türkiye and Sweden will look to maximise opportunities to increase bilateral trade and investments. Sweden will actively support efforts to reinvigorate Türkiye’s EU accession process, including modernisation of the EU-Türkiye Customs Union and visa liberalisation.

On this basis, and given the imperatives of the deterrence and defence of the Euro- Atlantic area, Türkiye will transmit the Accession Protocol for Sweden to the Grand National Assembly, and work closely with the Assembly to ensure ratification.

soldierant

(9,372 posts)
16. Kudos to T[u umlaut]rkiye
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 06:18 PM
Jul 2023

(that's Türkiye) and even more kudos to anyone who helped persuade it/them.

LudwigPastorius

(15,006 posts)
22. That's good.
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 06:30 PM
Jul 2023

Maybe their parliament can take a break from their summer vacay to vote on it?

FakeNoose

(42,409 posts)
24. This is Turkey's 2nd move against the wishes of Putin in less than a week
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 06:41 PM
Jul 2023

Something's happening here, but what it is ain't exactly clear ...


applegrove

(133,102 posts)
28. Maybe the threat of Turkey being in Putin's orbit, or pal, is not so safe so
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 07:43 PM
Jul 2023

Last edited Mon Jul 10, 2023, 09:12 PM - Edit history (1)

he needs to strengthen NATO. Also he wants into the EU. I almost positive Putin does not like the deal Turkey did to take in so many Syrian refugees. Putin would rather they try to get in to other European Countries. Turkey would have first hand experience with Putin and the pressure points he puts on Turkey.

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