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Xanchez

(39 posts)
Tue Jul 11, 2023, 08:19 PM Jul 2023

Biden should make climate change Central to his campaign. Trump would stand no chance.

Trumps solution to climate change is to do nothing, because he does not believe humans are the main cause of global warming.

This is probably his worst issue, and people are being affected throughout the nation with many dead by heatwave and floods.

During the campaign, Joe Biden needs to talk about climate change and hammer Trump on his love for coal, and his lies.

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Biden should make climate change Central to his campaign. Trump would stand no chance. (Original Post) Xanchez Jul 2023 OP
I think I saw a poll Elessar Zappa Jul 2023 #1
Since 2000, climate and environment alone should have been enough to elect dems up and wiggs Jul 2023 #2
and people are stupid. orleans Jul 2023 #15
The Weather NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #3
And what should he say should be done about it? former9thward Jul 2023 #4
There's only one thing.... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #6
How do you convince consumers to use less oil and natural gas? MichMan Jul 2023 #7
just replace the fossil fuels with alternatives. Think. Again. Jul 2023 #8
Are there any alternatives that will replace gasoline and diesel in current cars and trucks? MichMan Jul 2023 #17
Biodiesel? Think. Again. Jul 2023 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Jul 2023 #21
Biden WON on this issue the last time... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #5
People who care about this issue will already support Biden JI7 Jul 2023 #9
but the youth vote... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #10
As I said, anyone that cares about this issue will vote for Biden JI7 Jul 2023 #11
That's a good point. Think. Again. Jul 2023 #12
+1 betsuni Jul 2023 #14
Some people may care now, who didn't care in 2016/2020 Xanchez Jul 2023 #13
If climate was a huge issue, The Green New Deal would be still be talked about Wanderlust988 Jul 2023 #16
Yes... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #20
And what does that mean exactly? Showbizkid Jul 2023 #18
Trump said electric cars are bad. Biden should call him out Xanchez Jul 2023 #22
Ok....sure Showbizkid Jul 2023 #23

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
1. I think I saw a poll
Tue Jul 11, 2023, 08:22 PM
Jul 2023

that said it’s the top issue for Gen. Z and Millenials. Maybe their turnout would increase if climate change was at the top of the agenda.

wiggs

(8,812 posts)
2. Since 2000, climate and environment alone should have been enough to elect dems up and
Tue Jul 11, 2023, 08:40 PM
Jul 2023

down ballots. But dems haven't driven it home, and propaganda fills the blanks

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
4. And what should he say should be done about it?
Tue Jul 11, 2023, 08:59 PM
Jul 2023

That is the problem with climate change and the reason Democrats have not made it a central part of any campaign. You have to give specific ways to combat it. And no, giving more subsidies to Musk to make more electric cars won't do it. The things that would do it would require a reduction in the standard of living of Americans. That is why no one makes it a central issue.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
6. There's only one thing....
Tue Jul 11, 2023, 09:14 PM
Jul 2023

...that CAN be done about climate change: reduce and then eliminate CO2 emissions from the burning of fossil fuels.

If "standard of living" equals "quality of life", climate chaos caused by CO2 emissions is already (and will continue to do) a LOT more damage to the standard of living than ANY thing involved in the transition away from fossil fuels.

MichMan

(17,150 posts)
7. How do you convince consumers to use less oil and natural gas?
Tue Jul 11, 2023, 09:59 PM
Jul 2023

Higher prices like what we had a year ago? That didn't seem to go over very well with the public

So it creates a dilemma; Lower prices for fossil fuels are very popular, but means people are more inclined to buy less fuel efficient vehicles and drive more miles. Higher prices mean people will buy more EV or drive less, but will place the blame on the political party currently in power.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
8. just replace the fossil fuels with alternatives.
Tue Jul 11, 2023, 10:42 PM
Jul 2023

I know, it isn't as simple as that (a lot of people think money is more important), but that really is our only option right now if we want to reduce the deaths and misery (and economic hardship) that more CO2 emissions will cause.

MichMan

(17,150 posts)
17. Are there any alternatives that will replace gasoline and diesel in current cars and trucks?
Wed Jul 12, 2023, 03:40 PM
Jul 2023

That will be cleaner, cheaper and readily available soon?

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
19. Biodiesel?
Wed Jul 12, 2023, 06:10 PM
Jul 2023

I believe fuels from plant sources and re-used cooking oil can be used in current combustion engines but I don't think that could scale up very quickly, if ever.

I think the priority should be on building out the solar/wind/hydrogen industry as quickly as possible and cutting back the fossil fuels they are replacing as the build up goes along.

Response to Think. Again. (Reply #19)

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
5. Biden WON on this issue the last time...
Tue Jul 11, 2023, 09:08 PM
Jul 2023

..so yes, he should definitely make it a big part of this coming campaign.

The youth vote would put him way over the top, but they are beginning to feel as though not enough attention or action is being paid to stopping the use of fossil fuels (at least that's what they are saying).

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
10. but the youth vote...
Tue Jul 11, 2023, 11:19 PM
Jul 2023

...is saying they are disappointed in the level of climate action Biden is taking after his promises to "end fossil fuels" during his last campaign.

The youth vote is an important vote.

JI7

(93,616 posts)
11. As I said, anyone that cares about this issue will vote for Biden
Tue Jul 11, 2023, 11:31 PM
Jul 2023

The election isn't Biden or Jay Inslee .

It's Biden or Trump or some other right winger.

Jay Inslee wss the best candidate on the environment in the democratic primary and he didn't get support from this disappointed youth

 

Xanchez

(39 posts)
13. Some people may care now, who didn't care in 2016/2020
Wed Jul 12, 2023, 02:36 AM
Jul 2023

Due to the recent sharing of heat records. Unprecedented wildfires. Floods.

Wanderlust988

(785 posts)
16. If climate was a huge issue, The Green New Deal would be still be talked about
Wed Jul 12, 2023, 03:18 AM
Jul 2023

I haven't heard the term in 2 years. It's a dud. Young people care about it but they also care about cheap gas cause they need it to go to work everyday. It's great to talk about a subject until you get into the nitty gritty of how to fix it.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
20. Yes...
Wed Jul 12, 2023, 06:12 PM
Jul 2023

...but talking about it, on a wide platform, is how we can get to the nitty gritty and hopefully build public support and momentum to actually get it done.

 

Showbizkid

(118 posts)
18. And what does that mean exactly?
Wed Jul 12, 2023, 03:43 PM
Jul 2023

We just spent 2 and a half years getting inflation under control.

What "Green" proposals can Biden run on that would not immediately reverse that?

 

Xanchez

(39 posts)
22. Trump said electric cars are bad. Biden should call him out
Thu Jul 13, 2023, 11:40 AM
Jul 2023

And tout his investments on electric cars. Etc

 

Showbizkid

(118 posts)
23. Ok....sure
Thu Jul 13, 2023, 11:42 AM
Jul 2023

I don't think an electric cars good/bad debate really matters, but fine.

Trump says a lot of dumb stuff. Run on all of it.

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