The Cornel West foreign policy plank.....

[brooklynite]

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[Walleye]

1. Another guy who has never been elected to anything and thinks he knows more than the president

[617Blue]

2. West, RFK JR, Manchin, Williamson - ALL TRUMPERS.

If you're working to re elect Trump you're a Trumper. Don't care who's offended.

[Hortensis]

10. Definite point, but that credits them with too much positivity.

I think of those whose choices threaten to destroy as destroyers. Let psychologists sort the details.

[Casady1]

3. Man on soapbox

get's time on TV instead of the middle of Times square.

[Effete Snob]

4. I just don't understand it

How on earth do people spout this "NATO caused the Russian invasion of Ukraine" nonsense?

Cornel West has said a number of provocative things over the years to get attention, but what is it that drives people to turn into Kremlin propaganda-spouting machines.

And, as the fight in Ukraine tilts further against Russia, it seems that more of these kinds of idiots are coming out of the woodwork.

Is it "last call for longtime sleeper stooges" or what?

[tman]

5. All from the School of Noam Chomsky...

Another clown who has been given way too much credibility on the Left.

[Hortensis]

11. Variations on a type -- In their case intellectual-STYLED rhetoric

weaseling around to trick people into swallowing dishonest conclusions. Different style from Rush Limbaugh claiming potato skins prove that tobacco's not addictive, different targets, but same game.

[GenXer47]

14. nobody wins in a nuclear war

Noam and Cornell are simply seeing the bigger picture.
NATO's positioning of nuclear weapons aimed at Russia make the world less safe, period.
If Russia or China made pals with Canada, Mexico, and Cuba, and put nukes there, would the world be more safe from human extinction?
NATO should remain but its nukes need to go into storage. Israel's, too.

[LudwigPastorius]

18. You realize that there are Russian nuclear subs within striking distance of the U.S. right...

now, don't you?

As much as Putin may excuse his bloody invasion of Ukraine with the "encroaching nukes" canard, NATO and Russia (formerly the Soviet Union) have had the ability to destroy each other in a matter of minutes for about 60 years now.

No, Putin wants Ukraine because he wants its agricultural output. The "historical correction" of having more former Soviet territory back in the fold is just gravy for him.

[Crunchy Frog]

22. You know that you're quoting Kremlin propaganda talking points

verbatim, don't you? Of course you do.

Russia and the US have had nukes pointed at each other for almost as long as the Cold War has been going on. It's never been a reason or a justification for either country to invade a 3rd country.

What do russia or China being "pals" with various Latin American countries have to do with anything? Russia's been "pals" with Cuba since 1959, and they're "pals" with various other Latin American countries as well. We've behaved abominably towards Cuba, but it is still an independent country with close ties to russia.

What do nukes have to do with this? Is this the "We have to give Putin everything he wants or he'll incinerate the world" hysteria? Or is it the "we were on the verge of putting nukes on Ukrainian territory pointed at russia, and they invaded just in time to stop us" conspiracy theory?

Did you know that when it became independent, Ukraine had the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world? And that it was the US president Bill Clinton who essentially forced them into agreeing to turn them all over to russia and join the Non-Proliferation Treaty? Do you think that's an indication that we now have the intention to place nukes there? Did you know that in return for giving up its nukes, the US, UK, and russia all signed an agreement, the Budapest Memorandum, which they believed to be a guarantee that their sovereignty and territorial integrity would be protected? Yes, russia agreed to respect their territorial integrity and never invade them. How's that working out?

And sorry but NATO's nukes aren't going anywhere. It would be utter insanity for NATO to unilaterally disarm under current conditions.

Noam and Cornell are either idiots or are active russian agents. It's not for me to say which.

In any event, your post is a mindlessly regurgitated word salad of russian talking points and I hope that you will try to better inform yourself about what's really going on.

[wryter2000]

6. Contrarian

He”ll say anything to get attention

[FrankBooth]

25. Exactly right

Toxic contrarianism strikes again.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

7. West and Stein are Putin puppets

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[okaawhatever]

12. Her family is Russian. Her loyalty is to Russia. She's a shill for Putin. nt

[tritsofme]

8. A pure vanity candidate

[The Magistrate]

9. It's So Simple, Sir, It's Practically Simple-Minded

Viewed coldly, it is a sublime expression of belief in white supremacy, or Anglo-European supremacy at any rate.

The guiding tenet of the line Mr. West presses is that only western first-world powers possess moral agency, therefore apparently bad things done by other nations or movements occur only in reaction to first-world western powers using their moral agency for evil. That they will always do evil is not a necessary part of the root tenet, but those who believe in the root tenet generally do believe that. Thus, not only is all wrong done by agency of first-world western powers, without their choosing evil it would never have come into the world. There's no one else to blame. Who can be faulted for doing what evils inflicted by first-world western powers provoked them to?


"I know of nothing against him save that he is a human being, which ought to be enough to hang any man."

[Crunchy Frog]

23. You know that the only reason that Eve made Adam eat that apple,

and brought sin into the world, is because she got temporarily posessed by the CIA. Humanity would still be in the Garden of Eden if it weren't for the USA.

[ShazzieB]

15. NATO "provoked" Putin's invasion of Ukraine?

WTAF. And what's this b.s. about "concessions of territory"? It sounds like West thinks Putin should be rewarded for invading a country that did absolutely nothing to deserve it and committing all manner of unspeakable crimes against humanity. What utter poppycock. You don't reward bad behavior, and Putin's behavior toward Ukraine has been atrocious, in the most literal sense of the word.

Anyone who thinks throwing Putin a few crumbs in the form of Ukrainian territory will satisfy him needs to read up on the years leading up to WWII. Particularly the Munich Pact, which literally gave part of Czechoslovakia to Hitler in the hope of "appeasing" him. And we all know well THAT worked, right? Yeah, he invaded and took over the rest of Czechoslovakia, them steamrolled over Poland and on and on and on.

Putin already got some territory from Ukraine when he annexed the Crimea in 2014.. Did that "appease" him? Hell, no. He decided to come back for the rest of it, and he won't be satisfied unless (God forbid) he gets it all. And then he'll go after whatever other non-NATO countries are within his reach. NATO is the only thing stopping him from going after Poland, the Baltics, and now Finland and Sweden.

Every time someone says Ukraine should just give Putin some Ukrainian territory, what that tells me is that their knowledge of modern European history is sadly lacking and that they don't know the first thing about bullies.

Putin is a bully, and you can't stop a bully by making concessions to him. If you give a bully an inch, he'll take another one, then a mile, and another, and another. That's what happened with Hitler, and Putin is cut from the same cloth. Giving him more Ukrainian territory will convince him that he did the right thing when he decided to invade Ukraine and embolden him to try for more. Zelenskyy is well aware of that, so is Biden, and so is NATO.

Slava Ukraïni!

[spanone]

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[Showbizkid]

17. The first principle of this Leftism is that all Western Democracies are evil, corrupt, exploiters

Therefore, any action by a non-western democracy is done is response to some earlier evil, corrupt, exploitative practice.

The US and Israel primarily are at all fault, but all of NATO - particularly those members with robust colonial histories - are to blame for everything that happens anywhere.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

20. West is an idiot or foreign policy and has no business trying to re-elect TFG

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[Celerity]

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[W_HAMILTON]

24. I'm sure he was saying Iraq provoked us into attacking them as well.

And I'm sure he called for Iraq to make concessions to us in order for the war there to end.

Right?

...right?

Oh yeah, not right.

Fuck this fucking idiot.