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Pluvious

(5,395 posts)
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 12:24 PM Jul 2023

Scientific American: "New Tinnitus Therapy Can Quiet Torturous Ringing in the Ears"

This potential breakthrough caught my eye,
as I am a victim of the Stupidity of Youth

But so many people have this condition which is so much worse than my own,
my heart goes out to them

A combination of acoustic and electrical stimulation reduces tinnitus by half
By Anton Benz
July 13, 2023

So the whistling and ringing in the ears caused by tinnitus is not purely a disease of the brain’s auditory system. Up to 80 percent of people with the condition have the so-called somatic form, in which the disturbing noises are generated or altered by head or neck movements. In a recent clinical trial, Susan Shore of the University of Michigan and her colleagues used a new procedure to significantly alleviate the symptoms of tinnitus. “I think the study represents hope for all sufferers,” says tinnitus expert Berthold Langguth of the University of Regensburg in Germany, who was not involved with the research.

Shore’s team developed a “bisensory” treatment consisting of an in-ear headphone and two externally attached electrodes that delivered a combination of acoustic and electric stimuli to reduce activity in the DCN. The level of stimulation was individualized to each person’s tinnitus. The study involved 99 people with somatic tinnitus, each of whom were given a prototype device for home treatment over the course of the study.

Participants in the experimental group underwent the procedure for 30 minutes daily for six weeks during the study’s first phase. Those in the control group also attached the electrodes near their ear and on their neck, but the electrical impulse was absent—they received a purely acoustic treatment. Because the electrical impulses were not perceptible, none of the participants knew who belonged to which group.

After a six-week break, which was the second phase of the study, the protocol shifted for phase three: each of the two groups received the opposite treatment for another six weeks. After the first phase, the tinnitus in the experimental group was already reduced significantly, and the treatment provided meaningful clinical benefits. The participants’ tinnitus was perceived as only half as loud on average after phase one. Even during the treatment break, the situation continued to improve. The effect lasted up to 36 weeks. “In my estimation, this is a very promising procedure,” Langguth says. Shore now wants to move the new method quickly through the approval process and then onto the market.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-tinnitus-therapy-can-quiet-torturous-ringing-in-the-ears/
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Scientific American: "New Tinnitus Therapy Can Quiet Torturous Ringing in the Ears" (Original Post) Pluvious Jul 2023 OP
interesting DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 2023 #1
Tinitus seems to come and go (never 100% gone) for mw. BSdetect Jul 2023 #2
I'm aware of two simple methods for temporarily reducing tinnitus. Disaffected Jul 2023 #3
Thanks so much rebe303 Jul 2023 #9
YW. Disaffected Jul 2023 #16
Head tapping works for me Sympthsical Jul 2023 #15
I've used this method too. Grumpy Old Guy Jul 2023 #17
How long does it last Disaffected Jul 2023 #20
It's difficult to say. Grumpy Old Guy Jul 2023 #29
I just tried that. Disaffected Jul 2023 #19
It's no doubt neuronal Sympthsical Jul 2023 #28
Here's what ChatGPT has to say about causes: Disaffected Jul 2023 #33
Wow I have tinitus I_UndergroundPanther Jul 2023 #4
That's what mine sound like endless crickets Fullduplexxx Jul 2023 #11
Mine is cicadas. It always sounds like a summer night. nt leftyladyfrommo Jul 2023 #21
Same here, and they pulsate Martin Eden Jul 2023 #35
Yep. Delphinus Jul 2023 #38
Mine slowly developed over the last 20 years Martin Eden Jul 2023 #39
I have severe tinnitus Cheezoholic Jul 2023 #5
I'm so sorry you've had to deal with it. Elessar Zappa Jul 2023 #6
I'm sorry this plagues you Artcatt Jul 2023 #10
I had no idea. Thank you for sharing that very comprehensive description with us... Hekate Jul 2023 #14
I don't have that kind Cheezoholic Jul 2023 #27
sigh I hope something, someday, helps. Hekate Jul 2023 #30
High pitched whine for over 40 years. I am told that the whines pitch is the same pitch- Prairie_Seagull Jul 2023 #34
I could have written this almost word for word. Ferrets are Cool Jul 2023 #18
I have had one nightmare in my entire life Cheezoholic Jul 2023 #31
I'll be following this closely. mn9driver Jul 2023 #7
Thanks so much rebe303 Jul 2023 #8
I've had this condition for about 15-20 years with associated hearing loss.. It was a double wamy mitch96 Jul 2023 #12
I met a man at a party who's son had recently opened a vanlassie Jul 2023 #24
Mine came from high dose aspirin therapy in the early 70s Warpy Jul 2023 #13
I think that was what caused mine. I used to leftyladyfrommo Jul 2023 #23
I was on the equivalent of 22 tablets a day Warpy Jul 2023 #25
My niece has RA. I think hers is real up and down. nt leftyladyfrommo Jul 2023 #36
I learned awhile back Jilly_in_VA Jul 2023 #22
Anyone with post-COVID related tinnitus? StClone Jul 2023 #26
I have pretty bad tinnitus Mosby Jul 2023 #32
Mine gets worse with aspirin or allergy pills. When it leftyladyfrommo Jul 2023 #37
I have pulsatile tinnitus, bilaterally Grasswire2 Nov 2023 #40

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,504 posts)
1. interesting
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 12:48 PM
Jul 2023

I'll have to keep an eye on this. I have tinnitus now(ear pro in iraq was optional and not that effective to begin with) and am worried it will get worse as I get older.

BSdetect

(9,048 posts)
2. Tinitus seems to come and go (never 100% gone) for mw.
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 12:58 PM
Jul 2023

Sometimes quite loud and verging on painful.

Sometimes I feel it has almost stopped.

I guess they took these factors into account when evaluating the treatment?

Hope it does prove to be helpful.

Disaffected

(6,401 posts)
3. I'm aware of two simple methods for temporarily reducing tinnitus.
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 12:59 PM
Jul 2023

It is only effective for a few minutes but I find it especially useful for times when tinnitus interferes with falling asleep.

The first, which I discovered myself, is simply place a finger in the affected ear(s) and press downward fairly hard. It isn't necessary to keep the ear canal plugged with the finger - just pressing down on the outer portion works. After five seconds or so, release the pressure and the tinnitus volume level is reduced by about one-half (at least that's how it works for me, YMMV).

The second is to place a thumb or larger finger in the ear sufficiently enough to form a seal. Move the thumb or finger in and out a bit to simulate a pumping sensation (keeping it inserted far enough to keep the seal). Do this for five seconds or so and the effect seems to be the same as the first procedure. I found this method on YouTube BTW and it was presented by a chiropractor of all things (yeah, I know).

Anyhow, it goes without saying that none of this should be done if it causes pain or significant discomfort and, it may not work for everyone.

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
15. Head tapping works for me
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 02:52 PM
Jul 2023

I've had very, very low grade tinnitus without hearing loss since birth. Most sounds in the background obscure it (a fan running on low). Only when it's dead silent and I pay attention does it crop up. Some years back I learned:

"Put the palms of your hands over your ears with your fingers placed on the back of your head at the base of your skull. Using your index fingers, tap the back of your head about 50 times."

Sometimes if I've gotten no sleep or am crazy stressed, the tinnitus aggravates to becoming very noticeable. That's when I do that. Kills it dead for me.

Grumpy Old Guy

(4,319 posts)
29. It's difficult to say.
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 03:40 PM
Jul 2023

I think it lasts about an hour or so. My tinnitus comes and goes, so it's difficult to say for sure. It may not completely squelch it, but it definitely lowers the volume down to a more comfortable level.

Disaffected

(6,401 posts)
19. I just tried that.
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 03:03 PM
Jul 2023

And it worked!

It appears to me that tinnitus is, at least in some cases, related to some physical condition within the inner ear and that manual manipulation can provide at least temporary relief.

This is BTW contrary to the commonly held belief that it originates within the brain. My own doctor in fact told me that when I asked if anything could be done about it.

I hope others here can try these things are report what their results are.

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
28. It's no doubt neuronal
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 03:39 PM
Jul 2023

Considering hair cell damage can result in it.

Then you have the ones like me who've had it for as long as they can remember. I didn't even know I wasn't supposed to be hearing it until aged 12 or so. Genetic, something during embryonic and fetal development, maybe damage from early childhood ear infection or fever. Who knows.

I have seen claims it's neurological. Maybe in some cases. But all the evidence lends itself to either congenital flaw or neuronal and cell damage in the ear.

Disaffected

(6,401 posts)
33. Here's what ChatGPT has to say about causes:
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 04:55 PM
Jul 2023

..................

Exposure to loud noise: Prolonged or sudden exposure to loud sounds, such as concerts, explosions, or machinery noise, can damage the delicate structures of the inner ear and lead to tinnitus.

Age-related hearing loss: Gradual hearing loss associated with aging (presbycusis) can contribute to the development of tinnitus. As the auditory system ages, it becomes less efficient, and tinnitus may occur as a result.

Earwax blockage: Accumulation of earwax in the ear canal can cause tinnitus by obstructing the sound waves from reaching the inner ear properly.

Ear and sinus infections: Infections in the ear or sinuses can cause inflammation and fluid buildup, affecting the normal functioning of the auditory system and leading to tinnitus.

Ménière's disease: This inner ear disorder is characterized by symptoms like vertigo, hearing loss, and tinnitus. The exact cause of Ménière's disease is not fully understood, but it is believed to involve a combination of factors, including fluid buildup in the inner ear.

Medications: Certain medications, such as high doses of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), antibiotics (e.g., gentamicin), some cancer drugs, and diuretics, have been associated with tinnitus as a potential side effect.

Head and neck injuries: Traumatic injuries to the head or neck, such as whiplash or skull fractures, can damage the auditory system and lead to tinnitus.

Medical conditions: Tinnitus can be associated with various underlying medical conditions, including cardiovascular disorders, high blood pressure, temporomandibular joint (TMJ) disorders, thyroid problems, and certain autoimmune diseases.

..............

Similar searching reveals nothing though in any treatment related to physical manipulation as has been discussed here. I suppose we should keep in mind that all the remedies presented here are of the personal experience and anecdotal nature so we must be careful about what conclusions can be drawn. It does appear however that something may be going on which AFAIK has not been recognized by the conventional medical system.

Delphinus

(12,522 posts)
38. Yep.
Sat Jul 15, 2023, 06:42 PM
Jul 2023

It was over 30 years ago - I had hurt my back, went to the ER, got drugs, was sent home, and it was during the course of those drugs that the noise started. I can't recall what pain reliever it was (opioid).

Martin Eden

(15,628 posts)
39. Mine slowly developed over the last 20 years
Sat Jul 15, 2023, 06:56 PM
Jul 2023

I'm 65 now, and plan to seek medical attention soon.

Though not in great physical shape I'm still active, playing in a local softball league. I spend my vacation time hiking & backpacking. It's when I 'm far from manmade noise that the tinnitus really permeates.

Cheezoholic

(3,719 posts)
5. I have severe tinnitus
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 02:08 PM
Jul 2023

Last edited Fri Jul 14, 2023, 03:30 PM - Edit history (2)

I've had it since I was a child. It is such a frustrating condition. Mine sounds like microphone feedback only constant nonstop. I have been to so many audiologists I gave up decades ago. I have gone through nearly every treatment out there. Had one Dr. tell me it was from listening to "loud rock music". Fuck that quack. The constant "beam" of sound is a perfect A note, 440khz. Tuned noise canceling doesn't work, it amplifies it. It is so loud it's nearly all I can hear unless I tune it out. That is I mentally try to extinguish it.

When I do that people think I'm ignoring them but I am listening but listening through my own artificial mental filter I have developed unknowingly to survive. I've have had severe ADHD my entire life and I can guarantee over 50% of the cause is this tinnitus. Tuning it out involves letting my mind drift and not focus on anything. Its still there but after I do that I'm not paying as much attention to it, therefore I can follow a stream of concentration better for short periods. I'm an expert at it but outwardly its perceived as many different negative kinds of social behavior.

The only way I can explain how loud it is is think about sticking your head in Jimi Hendrix's speaker cabinet 24/7. It is that loud. I used to cry when I was a kid and wish I was deaf. But in the 60''s and 70's the treatment was stop feeding your kids hot dogs because of the red dye in them.

And that's the worst part. Trying to explain it to people. They usually just scoff or think you're making excuses. It has caused major major social issues in my life until I came to grips with it. I was extremely introverted when I was young because I had not yet learned how to adapt(that took until my 30's). There really are some of us out there that this condition can rule their lives with an iron fist. It can be insidious. There still are points every day when I have to get by myself for varying period of times and use my self coping mechanisms. It never goes away and is just as loud now as it was when I was 5.

I've often wondered if this condition wasn't the reason for suicides, being declared mad, being possessed, being accused of being a witch amongst other disorders before modern medicine and those poor people being institutionalized, outcast or even burned at the stake for even mentioning it.

It truly can be a debilitating condition so if you have friends or family who say they suffer from this listen to them. It''s real and there is no magic fix.

Edit: Help if I could spell it lol

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
6. I'm so sorry you've had to deal with it.
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 02:10 PM
Jul 2023

I hope the innovations described in the article will be able to help you.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
14. I had no idea. Thank you for sharing that very comprehensive description with us...
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 02:47 PM
Jul 2023

I hope this new treatment finds its way to you, and that it works for you.

All the best.

Cheezoholic

(3,719 posts)
27. I don't have that kind
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 03:35 PM
Jul 2023

Prophylactic style treatments may help many with somatic forms but mine isn't that type. My ears are normal, I have normal hearing. I wish I could stick a microphone in there so people could hear it. It is just one loud constant tone. No crickets, no ringing.

Prairie_Seagull

(4,689 posts)
34. High pitched whine for over 40 years. I am told that the whines pitch is the same pitch-
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 05:14 PM
Jul 2023

your ears are in the process of loosing. I have not found this to be the case. Same whine for over 40 years.
Some times gets louder for a time then abates. Could be so much worse and sorry that it is for some. I tease myself that one day I will have a conical shaped devise up to my ear like a TV character. Pettycoat junction maybe. Eh, you young wippersnappers.

Ferrets are Cool

(22,957 posts)
18. I could have written this almost word for word.
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 02:58 PM
Jul 2023

I spent 4K on hearing aids last year because they said it might reduce the tinnitus. It hasn't. Yes, it's real.

Cheezoholic

(3,719 posts)
31. I have had one nightmare in my entire life
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 03:46 PM
Jul 2023

Only one, I've never had another and I am a vivid lucid dreamer. I'm one of those that can actually participate in my dreams, make decisions to alter them sometimes' I can wake up, go to the bathroom, go back to sleep and pick my dream up right where it left off. But only one truly scary dream in my life.

I was 4 and my mother left me and my brother in the car to run into the grocery store real quick. It was late evening and there was a huge thunderstorm cloud in the distance. Suddenly a huge figure that looked like Mr. Clean emerged from behind the storm cloud, picked the car up and started throwing it in the air like a ball, my brother and I bouncing all over the place. Mr. Clean then set the car back down in the parking lot and my mom got in the car and off we went. Scared the shit out my little 4 year old ass. So... maybe I was abducted by Mr. Clean aliens when I was 4 and I'm hearing their communication implant! I got nothin else after 55 years lol

rebe303

(147 posts)
8. Thanks so much
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 02:35 PM
Jul 2023

I have been using gingko biloba for many years but it only lessens it temporarily. This is wonderful news I hope those also Tinnitus suffering can do it!

mitch96

(15,802 posts)
12. I've had this condition for about 15-20 years with associated hearing loss.. It was a double wamy
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 02:44 PM
Jul 2023

When I was 8 or so a bicycle tire exploded next to my head.. My fault. I was def for few days but sound eventually came back.
Next was I have ridden motorcycles for long distances for many many years. Yes I used ear plugs and the quietest helmets I could find. After a few years I would have ringing in my ears after a long ride but it would eventually go away. One day, it did not go away.
I'm fortunate it is a low hiss that most of the time I don't notice. Usually I notice it when it's quiet. Like now. I'll give the techniques a try, tnx!
I have done many CT scans and MRI's on people with severe tinnitus. The doctors were looking for some underlying cause like a brain tumor or bleed.
One gent told me he was at wits end and wanted to kill him self. I wonder what ever happened to him. I told my boss about it and gave her the gent's name and she said she would look into it... ? call the md?
m

vanlassie

(6,248 posts)
24. I met a man at a party who's son had recently opened a
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 03:15 PM
Jul 2023

hearing aid clinic. That was how we got to comparing our tinnitus. He said he had also considered suicide. I went to see his son and that was how my right ear hearing loss was identified as a calcified stapes bone. I got it replaced and my hearing was miraculously restored. BUT. My tinnitus was unchanged. I met another doctor who told me his tinnitus emanated from the center of the back of his head. He had scans to rule out tumors as well. I was so grateful that mine is less debilitating. I also practice “not to notice” it.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
13. Mine came from high dose aspirin therapy in the early 70s
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 02:46 PM
Jul 2023

which partially wrecked my hearing and chewed holes in my stomach, no matter how much food was in there. I rebelled after a few weeks. Most of the hearing loss resolved, but I still have a lot of high pitched ringing. At least it no longer changes pitch when I move my head.

I did stage lighting for concerts in my own misspent youth, but we used heavy duty hearing protection, so I'm not experiencing much damage there.

But the damned aspirin, that was permanent. Early RA treatments were brutal. I decided they were worse than the disease.

leftyladyfrommo

(20,005 posts)
23. I think that was what caused mine. I used to
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 03:12 PM
Jul 2023

get really bad cramps and I would take 4 aspirin.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
25. I was on the equivalent of 22 tablets a day
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 03:27 PM
Jul 2023

and it wasn't touching the pain, just giving some minor help with the swelling.

So I stopped it.

So many RA treatments that focused on the inflammation have turned out to be busts, some of them lethal like Zomax and Vioxx. NSAIDs burned out a lot of kidneys out there before they realized that one.

Mild opiates should be one of the first line drugs during flares. I got them for my cramps pre RA diagnosis and I'd get really ambitious on them, cleaning my room, riding my bike for miles, that sort of thing. You'd think that would have rung someone's clue phone but no, we got Nixon and his WoD instead.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,371 posts)
22. I learned awhile back
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 03:11 PM
Jul 2023

that much tinnitus is not in the ears themselves, but actually in the BRAIN. So much for that.....

StClone

(11,869 posts)
26. Anyone with post-COVID related tinnitus?
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 03:30 PM
Jul 2023

I noted the tsss tsss tssssssssk sounding tinnitus after I had covid.
In my head, it sounded amazing like the Common Meadow Katydid singing

.

My balance and digestive system were also affected after covid. If it is a cure of some effect for tinnitus that would be a relief.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
32. I have pretty bad tinnitus
Fri Jul 14, 2023, 03:53 PM
Jul 2023

It usually doesn't bother be unless I start thinking about it (like now) it does get worse depending on my neck position.

Normally I only notice it when is starts changing frequencies, otherwise it just fades into the background.

leftyladyfrommo

(20,005 posts)
37. Mine gets worse with aspirin or allergy pills. When it
Sat Jul 15, 2023, 06:35 PM
Jul 2023

Gets bad I hear singing far away. Sometimes it's a man's voice but I can't make out any words. It really messes with my hearing.

Grasswire2

(13,849 posts)
40. I have pulsatile tinnitus, bilaterally
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 07:51 PM
Nov 2023

And it evidently is caused by plaque in the bifurcation of my carotid arteries.

A remedy could be surgery to remove the plaque, but it is risky for a stroke.

The vascular surgeon who did stent the artery in my leg is hesitant to do anything about the carotid artery because of the risk of stroke.

And so I suffer. Audiology department won't even see a patient who has bilateral tinnitus.

Mine has gotten significantly worse in the last several months.

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