Make them shoot you in public before they murder you in hiding

[ItsjustMe]

[TheRealNorth]

1. Sad, but true

The people running to other states or countries need to realize that, in the end, there is no where to run from Fascism. A lot of people fled Germany for neighboring countries, only to fall back under the iron heel of the Nazis when those countries were conquered.

[Showbizkid]

2. Okkkkkaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy...........

Is someone coming for me?

[Bonx]

3. C'mon, you know... 'them'. Somethimes known as 'they'

[LexVegas]

4. Are you white? Straight? Then probably not. No need to be concerned. nt

[Artcatt]

18. If you KNOW someone who isn't the "right kind,"

you’re probably screwed.

[peppertree]

41. Yet

Fascist regimes seldom take long to turn against straight, white men - if they don't share their fascist dogmas and sundry hatreds.

What's more, they're seen as 'race traitors' (plus, sometimes, class traitors) - and are often dealt with accordingly.

[GoodRaisin]

43. Unless you stand up for the targeted people.

Then you will be hated equally.

[yagotme]

78. The yellow six point star wasn't the only emblem worn by concentration camp inmates.

Hitler had several types. Political prisoners, religious officials, gays, etc.. Those concealing above were slated for the camps, too.

[ret5hd]

6. Just your conscience...

but you seem to have that in a nice stranglehold, so you're safe.

[happy feet]

17. This

[soldierant]

46. I read it as sarcasm

but of course I could be wrong.

We have a great sarcasm tag. It would help if ropl would use it.

[Kid Berwyn]

8. You may need to read more.

The Nazification of the Republican Party

By Loretta J. Ross
Counterpunch, Jan. 20, 2021

After World War II, the Nazis who helped Hitler rise to power and murder millions of people, including at least 6 million Jews, were put on trial to send a warning to the world. Not all of them faced a judicial process, but enough were not protected by their high status, official offices, or claims of “innocence” and “patriotism.” Power through violence was the only language they spoke—not justice, not freedom—and they were held accountable. These criminals faced a tribunal at Nürnberg (Nuremberg) so momentous that the disgraced word “Nazi” is forever attached to those who participated in and enabled their horrific crimes.

After the war, Germany banned Nazi flags and neo-Nazis. In fact, the only way that Nazi paraphernalia got into Germany was through smuggling from other countries such as the United States, like from Nazi propagandist Gerhard Lauck in Nebraska, the man called the “Farm Belt Führer” who served four years in a German prison for distributing banned pro-Nazi materials throughout Europe.

I know this because I teach a course on White Supremacy at Smith College that focuses on anti-Semitism, anti-Black racism, and the many intersecting components of white supremacist ideology. After more than 30 years of organizing and teaching about fascism as a Black feminist activist and academic, I know the destructive influence of these noxious ideas, and I teach young people how to interpret and resist them.

Global contempt for the word “Nazi” is a lesson for us today in the United States after the attempted criminal coup at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. Anyone identified as sympathetic, supportive, or financing these seditious acts that attempted to deny the peaceful transfer of power in our country should be treated with the same public condemnation that the Nazis received after World War II. This includes Nazified people in Congress, in the media, in universities, in regular jobs, and throughout society because fascism is not the fevered dream of one delusional man. Trump is a white supremacist; that he is also a deranged narcissist is really incidental.

Continues...

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/01/20/the-nazification-of-the-republican-party/

[I_UndergroundPanther]

9. Wish we could do what germany did

Make nazis illegal. Make thier propaganda illegal,and bust up every neo nazi org. And put them away.


Free speech is fine until it comes to nazis not such a good thing.thier whole belief system is evil,toxic and dangerous

[geardaddy]

16. Agreed

but look what it took for Germany to outlaw Nazism and Nazi symbols, etc. Plus that shit is coming back into fashion in Germany now.

Here's a not so recent, but not so old article:
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/09/1141591204/german-far-right-groups-becoming-increasingly-organized-says-a-historian

[Klondike Kat]

44. Thanks for the link!

It's a great piece!

[geardaddy]

82. You bet!

[NutmegYankee]

10. It's all funny till you're staring into ditch.

The radicalization of the Republican Party is not a joke. People in the 30s could never conceive that a cultured nation like Germany would ever commit the atrocities it did a decade later. We ignore the historical parallels to our peril.

[dchill]

12. Hear, hear!

[orangecrush]

54. +1

[Codifer]

56. Heck.

In the 30s it was also attempted in the US. A cabal of rich folks and the American Legion planned to remove FDR. They asked Marine Corps General (and two time winner of the CMOH) Smedley Butler to be the face of it and lead the military arm.

Being a man of honor Smedley refused and blew the whistle. The powers that be (or were at the time) decided to downplay the plot and none of the richfolk were punished in any way.

The United States can not make that error again. Even if all that is done is to put the guilty asshats in stocks on Fifth Avenue (or Pennsylvania Avenue). Something must be done.

[PatrickforB]

23. Let's talk about that for a moment Showbizkid.

It cost this planet upwards of 60 - 80 million lives to get rid of Hitler, Mussolini, and the Japanese Empire. My father fought these people in the Second World War.

Auschwitz was a death factory. Sobibor, Treblinka, Bergen Belsen all gassed people to death.

So you know what? If you are anything but a white male Protestant you are likely on somebody's list. If you are gay, trans, Jewish, or a member of a racial or ethnic minority, or if you are a woman, then you are second class.

Look at what is happening. We had these Nazis marching with their tiki torches through the streets of Charlottesville chanting 'we will not be replaced' and now organizations like CPAC and others are inviting these white nationalists as speakers. They aren't even trying to hide it. We are now seeing swastikas and other Nazi symbols (and yes, I am aware the swastika is far older and more venerable that Hitler's hakenkreuz was a backwards take on this older symbol) with these losers.

Consider Republican legislatures in a number of states have been trying to suppress votes, and even to allow gun toting 'Murikans to terrorize people at polling places.

Be mindful, if you remember your undergrad poly sci classes, that an oligarchy coupled with a nationalist (theocracy) is essentially a fascist, or Nazi, type of government, and this is what many of the libertarian-leaning Republicans want, particularly the billionaire parasites like the Mercers, Kochs and others.

Reps Gosar and Greene appeared as guests last year at the America First Political Action Conference, along with other Republican officials.

And consider the right-wing 'evangelicals' - these people HATE everyone who is not white and Christian, and seem to think that women should be relegated to the kitchen as second class citizens. And their corporate-funded Federalist Society think-tank grooms new right-wing 'justices.' We've already seen how that is working out.

Honestly, if these people turn this country into an authoritarian 'white Christian' nation, you think they wouldn't set up death camps?

Really?

[2naSalit]

26. +1

Must be one of those lucky folks who's never had anything taken from them.

[Showbizkid]

27. So are you preparing for armed conflict?

When they kick in your front door, how you gonna come?

[PatrickforB]

30. Gunz, gunz, gunz, eh? I'm sure you are well aware that there are more privately

owned firearms in America than there are people, and no I do not own a gun.

I fight with the pen, and through educating those around me.

You know, with so few posts, and the tone of this particular response, I cannot help but wonder if you are a troll...

But yeah, if they come I will fight. And I am willing to die to preserve DEMOCRACY in this republic, ostensibly of, by and for we the people.

And I'm talking about ALL we the people, not just white 'Christian' nationalists.

[ret5hd]

31. Well, I guess we know how you are going...

protecting that hairdo, right?

[Showbizkid]

34. We're discussing an existential threat here

I'm just taking this to a logical conclusion.

[ret5hd]

36. If your head is shaved you might blend in.

[Maru Kitteh]

57. One needs just the right size bridge to protect that hair.

Gotta have some clearance.

[Duncan Grant]

40. That reference isn't lost on me.

In my lifetime, Tiananmen Square told me everything I needed to know. There are more examples than we can count. Brixton, Ferguson — sos.

[The Jungle 1]

70. Our military already told radical right wing trump "NO"

Orange face did not have the military support to pull off his coup. General Mark Milley is an American hero.
The United States military will not kick in my door. They might kick in the doors of the radical right wing fascist if they try another coup. The radical right wing fascist will not stand a chance against our military!
I don't really worry about the radical right wing coming for me. They were completely unorganized on 1/6. I do worry about their lone wolf terrorism. During the civil war the south had a large organized military. These racist redneck drunks have nothing.

[NickB79]

74. I can't speak for other DU'ers, but I am

I'm a straight white man, but my wife and daughter are POC. My mother-in-law, who treats me like her own son, is a gay woman. My teen daughter confided in us that she might be gay as well (she's 13).

I've got all the guns I need, and practice with them regularly. And I'll shoot any motherfuckers dead and piss on their corpses if they ever come after them. It wouldn't be the first time I've had to use a gun in self defense either. All that matters to me is that they're safe.

[Oneironaut]

76. You can't "prepare for armed conflict." That's madness.

The chips always fall where they will. There’s not going to be a sudden switch-flipped where people start getting shot. It’ll be a gradual progression.

[ck4829]

32. There is a thread here with a state rep talking about "extinguishing the left"

I don’t think that’s a fancy euphemism for “debate and out-vote”

[PatrickforB]

38. You're right there. I'm thinking 'extinguish' means kill.

We have to fight these Nazis right now, from this moment on, inch by inch, step by step, and not let anything they try to do slide.

The Holocaust must NEVER be allowed to happen again.

[Tanuki]

37. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay.

[orangecrush]

53. Welcome to DU

[The Jungle 1]

69. Showbizkid joined us on July 10, 2023

The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia. Right wing fascist groups are popping up all over the country. They rally and march with masks and they are violent.
1/6 was a fascist attack on our nation. Americans died!
We have a former president who is inciting violence frequently.
The two most lethal elements of today's domestic terrorism threat are (1) racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists who advocate for the superiority of the white race and (2) anti-government or anti-authority violent extremists, such as militia violent extremists.
Yes someone is coming for you. If we stand down the threat will grow. If we push back the threat will be controlled. I will not stand down. No one on this site will stand down. We are under attack by the radical right wing.

[uppityperson]

75. And they left du yesterday.

[The Jungle 1]

80. Well I bet they learned a few things about liberals

We will not go gently into that good night.
The right gets a seat at the table. They can't have the table

[tenderfoot]

79. This one was so obvious

Bye troll

[Showbizkid]

11. Should we maybe shoot back?

I'm pro shooting Nazis who are trying to kill me.

[roamer65]

15. Yup, so am I.

Exactly how we dealt with them during WW2.

[louslobbs]

22. They have this weird belief we won't shoot back

I’ve got news for them.

[Showbizkid]

28. So we should all arm ourselves for the coming conflict

I'm not being contrarian or a troll.

If you honestly believe that we are at the start of a fascist takeoever that's going to lead to death camps, you need to beginning arming yourself and training right now. And your kids too.

[leftstreet]

35. How do we reach the people not on Twitter?

I guess they'll go first, since they didn't see that tweet.

[louslobbs]

50. If you feel like arming yourself, then you should do so.

Get the proper training and then keep sharp by practicing at your local firing range. I’m an expert shot, I learned to shoot while being attacked by sand fleas and screamed at by drill instructors many years ago down at basic training at Parris Island boot camp. I go to the firing range every few weeks for practice. I appreciate the skill it takes to not only hit the target, but to skillfully group shots. I don’t need to hunt for food and trophy hunters make my skin crawl. My point was, that these big mouth, MAGA morons, who think that they could just shoot in one direction without any return fire, would be in for a rude awakening if they played that game with me.

Oh, and I don’t think you’re a troll.

[The Jungle 1]

71. Wonder why Showbizkid would need to deny being a troll.

We have a standing military that is more than capable of smashing a fascist coup if it goes that far.
We the American citizens have a responsibility to not allow it to go that far.
We will fight them at the ballot box, in the media, and the public square. Forgive me Churchill.

The worlds attempt at appeasement was the mistake that caused of WWII! We now know better.

[Skittles]

60. fuck that gun humping sentiment

they should be stopped before they get that far

[TomDaisy]

13. Tim Snyder, On Tyranny: Do not obey in advance. Be as brave as you can be.

[spike jones]

14. At least try and take one with you.

The people in Denmark saved their Jews.

“The Holocaust resulted neither from a confluence of circumstances beyond human control nor from history’s inexorable march. It happened because ordinary people failed to stop it.”

[Duppers]

47. Indeed!

I get frustrated* with self-protective, silent people.

* Frustration often evolves into hate.

[Warpy]

19. The Nazis did to it right out in public and were proud ot it

The old human fallacy of "at least it's not me" took over. as people firmly believed it would never happen to them.

[louslobbs]

24. It's not you until...........

it is. That’s why I stand up for and speak in defense of all Americans who are in the crosshairs of the fascist, maga, nazi, cult…..I’m a gay man, so I know I’m in those crosshairs.

[Warpy]

25. Uh-huh, but I don't find much of that nonsense around here

Northern Europeans are only 35% of the population here, so MAGAts stay pretty muted. In fact, I've never seen a MAGA hat or a yard sign or a bumper sticker or any of those stupid flags in the wild here.

Usually any hateful blowhards are pee on themselves drunk. People here always stand up to them, we're all minorities here.

[Elessar Zappa]

33. Neither have I.

And I live in Grant county, NM, which is a rural yet blue county.

[Showbizkid]

39. I've been in Missouri for two years after 12 in Texas

I never ran into any weird Nazi-ish shit in Texas aside from the crazy lady on my street telling me that we were under martial law in January 2021.

Texas is weird in that every Christian Republican seems to have a son in a same-sex marriage, and they are retiring to spend more time with the grandbabies.

Here is Texas in a nutshell. One of my most important clients was a Hispanic woman who celebrated all the major Jewish holidays for some reason despite being a fundamentalist Christian. She was married to a marine, had two kids who were cops, but her favorite kid was the gay one. She disliked Obama a lot, but then suddenly really really hated Trump. But also didn't like illegal immigrants.

Texas is nuts.

Anyway, Missouri sucks. I've had several bad run-ins here with Q-anon adjacent types.

[Elessar Zappa]

42. Interesting!

Sorry to hear you don’t like Missouri though.

[louslobbs]

51. Standing up to them....that's the key.

👍🏻

[Recycle_Guru]

68. their death camps were quite secret to most Germans

[Warpy]

81. There were enough escapees and people who watched full trains roll in and empty trains roll out

for weeks on end that they knew. They just didn't want to believe it. It broke their brains, quite honestly.

Admitting it would have forced them to admit what had happened to family members who had disappeared because they'd joined a trade union, or had Down's, or had a nervous breakdown, or were seen reading a book on socialism in college or were born blind or deaf, and the list of what the master race wanted to eliminate was a very long one. Families hoped against hope they'd see each other again, that they were all out in some rural garden, working and enjoying life.

Too many people had gone missing and it had been years. They knew.

[wnylib]

20. When Nazis started the liquidation of

the Warsaw ghetto, where they had confined thousands of Jews until they could move them to death camps, the Jews fought back. They knew what was coming and had organized themselves to fight as long as possible, take down Nazis with them, and give some people, especially children, a chance to be smuggled out.

The Warsaw ghetto resistance lasted longer than the Polish government's resistance to the German invasion of the Polish nation.

[CaptainTruth]

21. And don't run away from the fight.

Running away never placates the enemy, it only emboldens them.

[miyazaki]

29. Ya, many people never survive the secondary crime scene.

statistically speaking.

[BigOleDummy]

45. Agree with the seeeming majority

here. At some point you have to stand fast. Just read my tag. Its been the same for 20ish years now across many many sites lol. You have to say "NO more" at some point with help or not.

[DBoon]

48. We need to stop fascism before it gets to this point

Work like your life depends on it for progressive candidates and issues. Phone bank, write letters and text every spare minute. Let it be known that treating groups as subhuman and advocating "exterminating" people has no place in a free society. Spend every penny you can spare to support justice and equality.

If it come down to firearms, we have failed. Fascism worships violence and force. Do not let the battle shift to their terms.

[Wednesdays]

61. This.

This is the way, as common citizens, we turn the tide.

The talk about armed conflict is silly. Once the U.S. military gets involved, it's all over for the side they oppose, no matter "how good of a shot" you are. They have weapons and tactics that weren't even dreamed of in 1944.

[The Jungle 1]

72. Yes that is our responsibility as American citizens.

The attempts at appeasement is what caused WWII.
Political push back NOW is what we need to do. I think we are doing it.

[Oneironaut]

77. Exactly, if you need to resort to violence, it's already well beyond too late.

[bluboid]

49. Absolutely brilliant! Thank you.

[struggle4progress]

52. Der Fuehrer's Face

[SouthernDem4ever]

73. Wisdom from someone experienced

We need to heed the warning.