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https://www.rawstory.com/florida-2662281133/?recip_id=31440&list_id=1Younger Floridians are fleeing the state in record numbers and business dollars are drying up as the state is increasingly seen as the place where empathy, decency and kindness go to die, a columnist wrote Friday.
Gov. Ron DeSantis and his obedient Republican legislature have made bullying and attacking the vulnerable the hallmarks of their goverance, wrote Jennifer Rubin in the Washington Post.
And its having a demonstrably negative impact.
Along with tax payers dollars being lost on the governors right-wing stunts frequently being defended often unsuccessfully in courts, Florida is losing business and is suffering a brain drain, she said.
The American Community Survey showed in June that 674,740 people left Florida for another state in 2021, Rubin said. More than any other state.
She wrote, In February, USA Today reported, Florida may be the most moved to state in the country, but not when it comes to Gen Z. They are the only generation that chose to exit Florida, with an outflux of 8,000 young adults."
Florida's universities and colleges have seen an increase in staff departures, with 1,087 resigning from the University of Florida alone in 2022, she wrote.
Record numbers of faculty are not returning to University of Central Florida, Florida State University and the University of South Florida. This is hardly surprising, given DeSantiss assault on academic independence and his suggestion that students go out of state if they want to study topics such as African American studies, Rubin said.
And convention organizers historically a huge business in Florida are looking to be hosted elsewhere.
There is little sign that the rest of the country is enamored of censorship, book bans or anti-immigrant and anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment. The question remains whether DeSantiss act wears thin at home, Rubin wrote.
dalton99a
(94,122 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Cha
(319,076 posts)NCjack
(10,297 posts)obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)We are the brain drain. Between us, 39 years of higher ed experience and expertise gone to CA.
Same jobs, way better NET pay in CA. Everything here is either a little cheaper or WAY cheaper than SOFL, except for gasoline, but we were able to sell one car because of great public transportation. Better food, weather, people, quality of life.also, it isn't just faculty., but also high-level staff like librarians and library support staff, student accessibility help, registrars, counselors, etc.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)I don't think there will be a short term recovery and DeSantis is in until 2027.
We're out of here too and also quite educated. Really, who wants to live in this ugly environment if sane.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)His handpicked SCOFL and his RW Leg will overturn the Amendment imo.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)be getting pointers from Putin on how to stay in office ... perpetually.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)So he wouldn't have to resign. HE DID.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)Including California burritos lol.
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)I'm sorry such a lovely state as FL is rapidly circling the drain, but I'm happy you and your wife got out and are thriving!
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)SYFROYH
(34,214 posts)We make so many new PhDs that they won't care about FL laws.
Cha
(319,076 posts)deSadist's Revenge Fascist MoRonic politics aren't working in the long run.
Good News for American Democracy
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(14,247 posts)Bird Lady
(1,996 posts)You have no chance in hell to be president, now or ever!!!
leftyladyfrommo
(20,005 posts)pretty much just ignore it.
But Florida has alligators and pythons and huge spiders. And it's really hot and humid. That is not my kind of place.
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)I like living amongst hills, with mountains off in the distance, like we have in Oregon. (Life actually up in the mountains is too harsh for me, but they make a nice visual backdrop for almost sea-level living.)
leftyladyfrommo
(20,005 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)than alligators or giant pythons, but my fearful attention was distracted from them (briefly!) when I heard that a python was found to have eaten an alligator of my size. Whole of course.
FL, where morning walks are for thrill seekers. Not conservative folk.
Lochloosa
(16,735 posts)I was born and raised in FL and always thought I would die here. Can't stand the people moving here. They are just assholes.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)moving into Florida who seem to love this environment of ugliness. Also, as we get older, we would prefer to live in a blue state. Florida has been my second home for a very long time, but no more. The angst now is incredible.
Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)has been getting inundated by magat northerners who cant stand their blue state. At least thats my theory.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)working with northerners who want to move to Florida, Texas, etc. They are apparently MAGA types that want out of blue states into deep red ones. I just found the link for one of them: https://movetofreedom.com/
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)be up a creek as they age. The young will have fled, along with the migrant workers. Who is going to mow their lawns, serve them their early bird specials in restaurants, and change their diapers in the nursing homes?
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)Then, the NE. Then, CA.
Many are getting buyer's remorse, but far from all.
Mariana
(15,626 posts)Places like The Villages are growing like weeds. They aren't just coming from the north either, they're moving there from all over the country because they *love* De Santis and his hateful policies.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)They are such mean and petty ASSHOLES.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)the good fight in FL. And have been since 2000.
Certainly your OP doesn't even hint at support for the 4,721,471 registered Democrats of FL;
those 4.7 million Democrats and the 3,911,131 "Unaffiliated" registered voters constitute 61.8% of all Florida registered voters.
It's fair to say that without a disclaimer that you support FL Democrats, your OP might be construed to mean that you are ignoring and/or undermining them.
Perhaps you need to add such a statement of support or risk being Alerted.
We're coming up on the primaries. If past history holds here, people tend to get heated on DU during the primaries. This kind of sweeping indictment of Florida, even using poll numbers, or one generation's outflux from Raw Story doesn't help fellow Democrats in FL who are fighting to turn the state blue. Because even if Florida's got a batshit legislature and governor, or you post an anti-Florida link, those don't mean the state's population can't swing purple or blue in 2024.
Who cares about the geography, animals, weather, etc. They're only personally relevant. It's only personally relevant to me that I've had to settle in FL for reasons. So I have to ask DU posters here:
Where is the positive support for Florida Democrats? I'm not reading it from any Democrat here.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Step down the expectation, or hope. Some of the open wishes that all Floridians drop dead, be ejected from the nation, etc, have been diminished by calling them out, but rotten attitude's not changed.
Given that Democrats are a minority in over half our states, where many despicable things are happening, but no other draws this flood of constant hostility, I've come to believe a huge component of resentful jealousy of Floridians specifically is involved.
Most really don't want to move to FL, of course, but the image is of leisurely lives of riding golf carts to lunch with friends and relaxing by the pool. While poor abused, exploited working people are scraping ice off their windshields and slaving for the patriarchy, whine, moan, etcetera, wash, rinse, repeat, presumably forever.
Reality is, as the first blizzards hit next fall, I will be sipping a mimosa and reading on the lawn overlooking the marsh or meeting friends for a long lunch by a marina. I know we own an ice scraper but haven't seen it in years.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 15, 2023, 04:13 PM - Edit history (1)
Why just wishing? Why not just alerting? Primary season's coming, and red state Democrats -- who've seen too few donations and other support -- should not feel undermined by heated, careless, or even reasoned claims that diminish their existence.
Only 21% of FL is 65+, or 4,573,800 out of 21,780,000 state total.
Only 1,000,000 snowbirds exist in Florida.
Which means the stereotype is PR media hype for the rest of the state.
I live 12 miles off the coast and will be spending a comfortable winter in Florida, working for a couple of activist groups and voting as a Democrat.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)perfect answers. Of course, every presidential campaign should be 50-state. Duh. If only everyone donated money and time to match their convictions. 2024's going to be more expensive than ever, and we won't have enough. Baked in.
I have a problem beyond doability with the other reason for the oversized popularity of this iconic theory -- some take it as more evidence Democrats really are just as bad as, or worse!, than the Republicans because we have always could stopped them by enabling all "the people" to vote as they assume they would. Whether we're stupider than corrupt or vice versa is the question for those who don't go straight to corrupt.
Oh, well. It is what it is.
So true about the stereotypical Floridian. Just heard the other favorite Kool-Aid twice in the past few days, though, that people move to Florida to die. The people we know are having a hell of a time pulling that off -- seemingly no one realized they'd never be in the mood.
Ummm -- just thought of potlucks on the patio. We're going to be back to normal this winter!
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Every time someone says "I love you" do you say "DUH"? No. Because some things need saying. People forget.
Doability is armchair judgment. I'm reminded of the saying that "first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Democracy is what it is. It's never a done deal. Never over. Especially not for red states.
We Floridians demand respect and we'll be as empathetic and kind in our politics as we ever were.
Same as it ever was.
We're not at "Life During Wartime" yet.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 15, 2023, 07:30 PM - Edit history (1)
of over 60 years of elections; that's how long we've had 50 states and how long we haven't been able to campaign equally to all the people in all 50 states. I agree it's an ideal we should always wish to meet, but then what liberal doesn't? We INVENTED liberal representative democracy.
A lot of people tend to behave badly when they're frightened, and social media where many come to take a snow shovel to kindness, decency and empathy.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)It's not just behaving badly when frightened.
It's about walking away from red state voters of both parties and blaming them for systems they don't control, and that confound them by design. We all live in systems that we didn't make, have coped with, or adapted to, or resisted in order to change.
We're caught up in monied management run by oligarchic resource/data control wars, internet/coder control wars, and not just the media-covered lawyer wars or political battles.

Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Reminds me that I was just talking with someone else about deep-red WV. In 2016 we invested extremely heavily there, starting years before with in-depth studies and planning, offering a New Deal size program to lift the whole state and transition from coal jobs to various new good-paying industries, not just energy, with investments in jobs training, schools, healthcare, the whole package. For the most part, WV voters rejected it proudly and defiantly, including many Democrats.
Who knows? We might have done better if we'd just flown over and skipped the taking them to the top of the mountain and showing them a future in which their children would be able to stay and raise their own families in their beautiful and now prosperous state. They wanted the past back, even though they knew they couldn't have it, AND they emphatically rejected our, frankly awesome, progressive solutions.
Fwiw, I really think we need to have more respect for voters who disagree with us, stupid as we may think their choices are. They tend to think the very same thing about those who disagree with them too. And there are no guns to anyone's heads at the polls.
Happy Sunday.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Warpy
(114,615 posts)and would vacation there every couple of years when I was a kid. My parents retired there. My dad thought it was where good people went when they died. My mother said she loved to see the high rises being built because they'd make it sink faster.
I'm so glad I had the foresight not to go there when I left Boston. I did notice a change over the years and couldn't believe how angry everybody started to look, just generally scowling wherever they were and whatever they did.
Losing my parents was very hard, I'm an "only." However, at least I never have to go back to Florida.
Pacifist Patriot
(25,212 posts)roamer65
(37,953 posts)If you cant swim, its time to leave.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)roamer65
(37,953 posts)If they can.
Grins
(9,459 posts)
about those living in Soshilust! blue states fleeing to Texas or Florida or some red state? To live in Freedumb!? To live in an assumed utopia?
Yeah. Them days
.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)ananda
(35,145 posts)...
Bonx
(2,353 posts)From the updated article that the number came from:
"We got it wrong: More people moved out of New York and California than Florida in 2021
Editor's note: This story has been updated to correct an error regarding Census data. In 2021, an estimated 469,577 people moved out of Florida, while 674,740 people relocated to the state. An earlier version of the story switched those numbers.
More people moved into Florida in 2021 than any other state, recently released Census data shows.
An estimated 674,740 people reported their permanent address changed to Florida from another state that year, according to the data. The dataset, which was released in June, tracked state-to-state migration through responses to the American Community Survey that year."
https://www.businessinsider.com/people-moving-out-of-florida-in-2021-2023-7
Ligyron
(8,006 posts)The other thing going around is businesses are sinking cause everybody is leaving and no one is moving in.
Which is hilarious because things are absolutely booming where I live in South Florida with new developments springing up everywhere (which sucks for the environment and native animals)with "Help Wanted" in every other storefront.
and if they build one more frickin' bank around here...well, I guess they have to put all that money somewhere.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)ancianita
(43,307 posts)See post #71
GreenWave
(12,641 posts)The tide will turn and there will be a reverse GOP uproar. Oh those little blue states have disproportionate Senate representation, blah, blah
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Bonx
(2,353 posts)Initech
(108,783 posts)Something is incredibly fucked up in Florida right now. They are being governed by tyranny and I feel like it's going to get worse before it gets better.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)because I seriously doubt he could be elected president. So, he will come back and rage his anger on Florida. As he says of Florida, "you ain't seen nothing yet."
roamer65
(37,953 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Blue Owl
(59,106 posts)
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Kath2
(3,192 posts)She will be in a more sane environment by September.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Pepsidog
(6,365 posts)Dixie Chicks, ban their music, and burn and trash CDs because they made an off the cuff comment about Americas involvement in Iraq war while overseas touring. The original Cancel party. But look how at those Rs compared to todays Rs who tolerate the most traitorous actions in our history. I have said it for years, we have a FOX problem. If FOX is gone country will snap back rather quickly. This insanity is made possible by FOX.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)a terrorist. But he does not get called out. Fox News is a disgusting POS. Rupert Murdoch should be deported and his assets seized. In Russia, he would fall out a window if going after the Putin regime.
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)dai13sy
(570 posts)I asked my Husband what it would take to make him move to floriduh. He said, very thoughtful, "well, there's not enough money in floriduh to entice me. Hell, there's not enough money on this planet"! It's comforting that both of us want to stay in Oregon
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)Farmers Insurance has pulled out of the state, and those who suffered damage from Hurricane Ian are finding that insurers are not refusing to pay the value of policies, leaving homeowners in the lurch to repair their properties. Given climate warming and the history of hurricanes in Florida, there is no way I would move there.
In the political arena, 2021 is not the best year to assess whether people are leaving Florida because of politics because DeSantis and his Republican Nazis, Moms for Liberty, had not fully ramped up their vitriol toward LGBTQ+ and their campaign to teach the glorious past of white history. It will be interesting to see whether Florida maintains its population increase this year in light of Disneys announcement that it is canceling further investment in Florida and some groups that are moving their conventions elsewhere.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)environment.
Skittles
(171,716 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 15, 2023, 03:48 AM - Edit history (1)
DeFascist is well aware of that.....where he errs is thinking the entire country likes fascism
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)on helping people relocate from blue states to red states ... Florida, Texas, etc.
Vogon_Glory
(10,297 posts)I think Democrats, progressives and other people of good hearts will need months more of data until they can club DeSantis, his supporters, and other MAGA types over the head about the consequences of letting right-wing nut-cases run their state or (God forbid), the federal government. Polemics, even polemics by the Good Guys, only goes so far. What you need is hard, ugly evidencewhich I suspect that DeSantis and other Florida Republicans will unwillingly and unwittingly provide.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)ancianita
(43,307 posts)Posting more of the negatives of rethugs ALONG WITH the positives of Democrats' achievements in red states, can help our fellow red state Democrats a lot.
Michigan and Illinois are good models for what Democrats do when they win.
Skittles
(171,716 posts)NO ONE SHOULD BE ENDORSING BULLYING, it is DISGUSTING
DonCoquixote
(13,961 posts)I also know I cannot afford civilized places like ca and ny.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)We did, and we have mich more money.
DonCoquixote
(13,961 posts)has California rent money, and with all due respect, I wish some people could see that here on DU.
Takket
(23,715 posts)The American Community Survey showed in June that 674,740 people left Florida for another state in 2021, Rubin said. More than any other state.
She wrote, In February, USA Today reported, Florida may be the most moved to state in the country, but not when it comes to Gen Z. They are the only generation that chose to exit Florida, with an outflux of 8,000 young adults."
~snip~
if 600+k people left how can it be the most moved to state in the country? Those two paragraphs don't seem possible.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Takket
(23,715 posts)everything i had heard was that Florida's population was booming because rethugs are going there in droves to live in Desatan's "paradise".
A truly terrifying prospect because it basically means the state is getting redder every day. it will probably not go blue again in our lifetimes
Mariana
(15,626 posts)The population of Florida is both older and more Christian than the population of the country as a whole. Older people and Christians are more likely to vote Republican to begin with. But it's worse than that, because Florida is attracting a disproportionate number of MAGATs, with no end in sight.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)all right in line with what is happening to a once nice state. It certainly was not perfect, but many people just got along. Now with the influx of many new people and DeSatan as governor it's all changing rapidly.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)people should look around their own and surrounding states. Across the nation, red zip codes are getting redder and blue bluer. Most conservatives moving long distance for ideological reasons, one scientist estimates this factor affecting @15%, are heading to the many red states and communities full of their kind of people. TX has gotten the most -- and FL was the biggest "contributor"!
Sure some are moving TO FL. We know a pair of gay guys who fled "socialist" California for the moral sanity of Florida.
But most are moving there to live, for good jobs and beaches.
That influx tends to be young.
And, unlike some conservatives, especially those from white environments, those moving to FL tend to be undismayed that Florida's strikingly, visibly racially and ethnically diverse -- only half white. They're everywhere. Including people speaking other languages. (Gasp!)