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Though statistics regarding the magnitude of child trafficking are difficult to obtain, the International Labour Organization (ILO) estimates that 10,000 children are trafficked each year.
Apparently no one cares.
It is estimated that between 15,000 to 50,000 women and children are forced into sexual slavery in the United States every year, and the total number varies …
The International Labor Organization estimates that there are 4.5 million victims of sex trafficking worldwide.
Seems like an abuse that needs some publicity.
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zuul
(14,703 posts)You started an OP about a very controversial movie, whose creators may have nefarious ideas, as has been discussed in multiple posts on DU. Don’t assume that we don’t care because your post about that movie was removed.
OneBlueDotS-Carolina
(1,480 posts)Something weird is going on, as theaters are sold out & there are like 5 people watching the film. Theaters make their money from the concession, not from ticket sales. Thus there suddenly seem to be A/C problems etc. Meaning the theater managers are saying f**k this crap. This seems to be similar to methods used by repubs to get their books on the best-seller lists. Like a campaign using donations to buy 1000s of books, no sane person would spend a penny on.
zuul
(14,703 posts)about this yesterday. Something odd is definitely going on with ticket sales for the QAnon movie.
I don’t even want to guess what the repube rat fuckers are up to. They’re so devious.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)
regnaD kciN
(27,401 posts)Admins?
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)I asked you to support your position because my research says the Q connection has been disproven.
I would prefer you show me I am wrong?
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Response to OneBlueDotS-Carolina (Reply #12)
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zuul
(14,703 posts)It has been pointed out to you in multiple posts that this is a QAnon backed movie with questionable motives, and that the creators have done more harm to the movement to stop sex trafficking, and still you persist with this nonsense.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)How many times do I need to say that.
Tree-Hugger
(3,379 posts)
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,105 posts)Does watching Texas Chainsaw Massacre mean I support serial killers?
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)It's a fucking grift at the end. Buy our tickets aka give us money to launder...
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)
misanthrope
(9,337 posts)Like Chik-fil-A using religious belief as a marketing tool?
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)
wnylib
(25,355 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 17, 2023, 09:26 AM - Edit history (1)
that apparently people don't care about sex trafficking?
Just wondering what prompted you to say that.
Tree-Hugger
(3,379 posts)...they originally posted about the movie.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)I see nothing but conjecture.
I want to protect children and women from slavery! I do not care what the source of information is if it is TRUE.
So I need you to dispute the facts!
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)Even though you insist throughout this thread it isn't.
It is.
58Sunliner
(6,273 posts)I suggest we start here in the USA with the republican party and organized religion. They have been consistently proven to be traffickers, groomers and rapists/abusers. Don't see you posting about them.
whathehell
(30,323 posts)of individual cases of abuse, I have yet to hear of anything about the Republican party or organized religion "trafficking" children into child sex slavery...Do you have any links on that?
jmbar2
(7,503 posts)whathehell
(30,323 posts)and found quite a few allegations of child abuse and a couple of other things. Again, this is a case of individual crimes...There is no allegation of organized "trafficking" by a religion or the Republican party.
edisdead
(3,396 posts)wnylib
(25,355 posts)the Democratic Party. So why support a Qanon source that claims that Dems operate sex trafficking rings?
And why support that on, of all places, a Democratic Party website like DU?
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And claiming that no one's hearing about it...!
Disgusting.
wnylib
(25,355 posts)whathehell
(30,323 posts)I think you're confusing me with someone else -- I absolutely do NOT support any Qanon source or theory.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)Who gave support for the movie in this thread.
whathehell
(30,323 posts)obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)I have done it myself when on my phone -- DU threadunrolling is clunky via phone sometimes.
58Sunliner
(6,273 posts)yardwork
(68,778 posts)I agree that the word "they" is a little vague, but I took the poster to mean that there are plenty of examples of sex traffickers and sexual predators among members of the Republican Party and organized religion.
And, frankly, there's quite a bit of evidence that organized religion (the Catholic Church, the Southern Baptists, and many smaller groups, such as branches of the Church of Latter Day Saints, have engaged in systemic abuse and cover-ups of abuse, to the point where you could argue that their entire organizations are guilty.)
whathehell
(30,323 posts)A sexual abuser usually acts alone. Sex trafficking is basically a criminal conspiracy that ALWAYS involves at least one other person working to victimize vulnerable populations, usually for monetary gain. That said, one cannot -- minus proof -- claim that "the Republican party" itself, or an entire institution, I.e. "organized religion" is engaged in "sex trafficking".
58Sunliner
(6,273 posts)Trump et all shuffling minors who were forced from their families to where?? That is trafficking. How about Matt the creep shuffling under-age girls across state lines for sex?
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Jeffrey Epstein was a pig but he was main stream.
OneBlueDotS-Carolina
(1,480 posts)Again, many are amazed by Sound of Freedom as an indie film from an indie distributor breaking through at the box office. Ticket sales have been fueled by right-wing groups, and Angel Studios has stoked its faith-based core base. All of this is reminiscent of American Sniper, but on an indie level.
Monday’s win here for Sound of Freedom creates optimism over its potential second-weekend hold. The pic’s first day was clearly front-loaded with over $14M including previews and crowdfunded cash, with a 72% drop on its day 2 Wednesday with $4M.
https://deadline.com/2023/07/box-office-sound-of-freedom-jim-caviezel-insidious-red-door-monday-1235434531/
‘Sound Of Freedom’ Is a Superhero Movie for Dads With Brainworms
The QAnon-tinged thriller about child-trafficking is designed to appeal to the conscience of a conspiracy-addled boomer
“Based on a true story,” I heard from somewhere across the theater.
The familiar words had appeared on screen, and an elderly man had taken it upon himself to read them aloud, to the rest of a sizable audience seated for a matinee showing of the anti-child-trafficking thriller Sound of Freedom, starring Jim Caviezel. For the seasoned moviegoer, this phrase is a joke — we know that cinema will stretch almost any “truth” to the breaking point — and the rank insincerity of such a pronouncement is the foundation of the prankish opening titles of Fargo. But this crowd, I could tell, would view the events depicted over the next two-plus hours as entirely literal.
Caviezel, best known for being tortured to death in Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ, has become a prominent figure on the conspiracist right, giving speeches and interviews in which he hints at an underground holy war between patriots and a sinister legion of evildoers who are harvesting the blood of children. It’s straight-up QAnon stuff, right down to his use of catchphrases like “The storm is upon us.” Here, he gets to act out some of that drama by playing a fictionalized version of Tim Ballard, head of the anti-sex trafficking nonprofit Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.), in a feature film that casts the operator as a Batman-style savior for kids sold into the sex trade.
Ballard himself has dabbled in Q-adjacent conspiracy theories, such as the Wayfair trafficking hoax, while his organization has far-right affinities and a long record of distorting its botched “raids,” which rely on bizarre tactics like asking psychics where to find victims for rescue. Ballard, Caviezel, and others of their ilk had primed the public to accept Sound of Freedom as a documentary rather than delusion by fomenting moral panic for years over this grossly exaggerated “epidemic” of child sex-trafficking, much of it funneling people into conspiracist rabbit holes and QAnon communities. In short, I was at the movies with people who were there to see their worst fears confirmed.
more...
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-reviews/sound-of-freedom-jim-caviezel-child-trafficking-qanon-movie-1234783837/
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)so we should ignore the reality of child slavery?
Not me.
wnylib
(25,355 posts)to invade a pizza parlor with a gun to rescue children in a non existent basement?
You are preaching to the choir here about sex slavery. DUers know that it is real and we give a big damn about it. But we reject any Qanon sources on it because Qanon spews absurd political conspiracy theories about the Democratic party grooming children and makes claims that prominent Dems like Hillary are part of a child sex slave ring.
If you are really concerned about sex trafficking, then surely you keep informed on it and know why Qanon sources are rejected here at DU.
edisdead
(3,396 posts)I would hope you would disengage in such a disgusting tact.
NOBODY here is suggesting ignoring child trafficking.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)
ornotna
(11,397 posts)In this thread. Links to them would be appreciated.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)I did not post about the movie
zuul
(14,703 posts)You keep accusing DU members of ‘not caring’ about child abuse yet you refuse to provide evidence. You duck and dodge in every post that responds to you. You are clearly not here to discuss anything, you’re just here to disrupt.
You are obviously upset that your previous post was removed, the one in which you promoted a fraudulent movie. You keep stating that you aren’t posting about the movie, yet obviously you can’t let it go since you keep doubling down.
Just admit it. You’re pissed about having your post removed. I suspect a lot of folks on DU will put you on ‘ignore’ since it’s obvious that you are not here to discuss anything. You are only here to disrupt.
ornotna
(11,397 posts)And no links provided.
So basically this is a ‘because I said so’ post.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)This is like using Mein Kampf or Trump of the Will as proof of something.
My God.
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)You seem to ignore all of the national and international agencies that have been fighting trafficking much longer than some lame right wing studio that puts out propaganda and some (at one point, decent actor) who fell into conspiracy land and ruined his career.
A quick Google search turned up 23 organizations, including Save The Children, who have been in the fight against child and human trafficking for quite a long time.
We should never ignore child slavery. We should ignore when stupid right wingers try to use a topic like child slavery to grift and manipulate their equally stupid followers into thinking that their political opponents are at the core of it.
58Sunliner
(6,273 posts)They aren't snatched from the street. It usually involves someone they know trafficking them.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #2)
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Texasgal
(17,235 posts)human trafficking?
There have been plenty of films made about issues that plague us... IE: Micheal Moore's films come to mind. Nothing has changed in those cases.
How will this movie protect women and children?
edisdead
(3,396 posts)And that is the intent of it.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Texasgal
(17,235 posts)You can stop being butthurt now about your closed thread.
58Sunliner
(6,273 posts)Most victims are not snatched off the street. Most victims are trafficked by people they know. Most are teens. And this movie is designed to allow simpletons to rage against a perceived enemy with a simple solution when the reality is much more complicated and insidious.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/07/sound-of-freedom-caviezel-ballard-trafficking-conspiracies.html
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)58Sunliner
(6,273 posts)and make a false correlation between your deleted post and no one caring about child sex slavery. Fake and manipulative.
The star of the movie and the people behind it push conspiracy theories-
"The adrenochrome conspiracy, a bizarre theory with antisemitic roots, posits that Satan-worshipping global and Hollywood elites run a massive child trafficking ring to drain their blood and harvest the chemical adrenochrome to stay young, and has been embraced by subscribers of the QAnon and Pizzagate conspiracy movements, including key people affiliated with the recent hit movie The Sound of Freedom."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/07/15/the-adrenochrome-conspiracy-theory-pushed-by-sound-of-freedom-star-explained/?sh=1e59f295179f
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)
ShazzieB
(22,073 posts)Spamming this thread with the exact same denial eleventy seven times does not accomplish anything
marble falls
(70,082 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(4,801 posts)I'm sure there are entire divisions of law enforcement at every level dedicated to fighting this practice.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)
leftstreet
(38,638 posts)"Though statistics regarding the magnitude of child trafficking are difficult to obtain"
No shit.
Tons of articles out there from all over the US.
Exploiting the Exploited? Insiders Accuse Charity Of Cashing In On Sex Trafficking Concerns
After allegations have been raised about Saved in America’s operations, NBC 7 Investigates sat down with the charity’s founder to discuss the nonprofit’s mission, rescue figures, and use of funds.
on October 17, 2020 at 2:58 pm
For years, nonprofit “Saved in America” has branded itself as one answer to the growing problem of minors caught in the underground industry of sex trafficking.
Using former Navy SEALs and law enforcement volunteers, the organization’s flashy image has received national publicity and hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations.
But in the last three months, the organization has received a fair deal of criticism.
San Diego County recently announced Saved in America had been pulled off a $2 million project to run a safe house for sex trafficking victims. Then, Saved in America’s founder, Private Investigator Joseph Travers, was sued for fraud by an organization that at one time helped the group raise its money.
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/exploiting-the-exploited-insiders-accuse-charity-of-cashing-in-on-sex-trafficking-concerns/2198882/
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,105 posts)The vast majority of sex traffickers are relatives or friends of the victim. They aren't sent to sex clubs in foreign locations; they're trafficked at home, in hotel rooms, at work, in hunting shacks and barracks and locker rooms.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)
walkingman
(10,222 posts)
Tetrachloride
(9,297 posts)and the population of them will increase (as I understand the demographics of my region)
Aristus
(71,453 posts)n/t
Bettie
(19,186 posts)but they are being turned out by places like Bob Jones U at an alarming rate.
mercuryblues
(16,098 posts)Using a movie that makes a mockery out of sex trafficking to gain political points is abhorrent.
To even hint that others don't care because they pointed out just who are behind the making of this movie is pathetic.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)mercuryblues
(16,098 posts)You other post got a well deserved hide for spouting right wing talking points, so you start another OP. on the same subject.
Then you have the audacity to say
"Apparently no one cares." Implying that Duers don't care because your other OP was hidden.
Like I said look in the mirror.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)This post presented facts about sex slavery. You folks don't like the move fine I will not talk about it. The facts are still the facts. Child sex slavery is real. Did you think Jeffrey Epstein was innocent?
Though statistics regarding the magnitude of child trafficking are difficult to obtain, the International Labour Organization (ILO) estimates that 10,000 children are trafficked each year.
Apparently no one cares.
It is estimated that between 15,000 to 50,000 women and children are forced into sexual slavery in the United States every year, and the total number varies …
The International Labor Organization estimates that there are 4.5 million victims of sex trafficking worldwide.
I was shocked to learn people believe the movie is right wing. I only presented it to help children and women who are trapped in slavery
Do you eat chocolate? It is produced with child slavery on the ivory coast and around the world. Do you even know?
mercuryblues
(16,098 posts)When I say links, I mean from reputable sources. Not Qnonsense shit. Is your OP about kidnappings for sex slavery, or child labor slavery? The 2 are completely different topics, why are you conflating them into 1?
The people believe it are RW, but the Qnonense grifters are behind it. They have repeatedly been exposed as grifters. You repeatedly ignore that.
You say Duers don't care. Why didn't you care until you viewed a film designed for propaganda?
58Sunliner
(6,273 posts)
emulatorloo
(46,135 posts)Which celebrates a scammer and Q-anon believer who does not really help children.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)This post presented facts about sex slavery. You folks don't like the move fine I will not talk about it. The facts are still the facts. Child sex slavery is real. Did you think Jeffrey Epstein was innocent?
Though statistics regarding the magnitude of child trafficking are difficult to obtain, the International Labour Organization (ILO) estimates that 10,000 children are trafficked each year.
Apparently no one cares.
It is estimated that between 15,000 to 50,000 women and children are forced into sexual slavery in the United States every year, and the total number varies …
The International Labor Organization estimates that there are 4.5 million victims of sex trafficking worldwide.
I was shocked to learn people believe the movie is right wing. I only presented it to help children and women who are trapped in slavery
Do you eat chocolate? It is produced with child slavery on the ivory coast and around the world. Do you even know? Do you even know how much slavery is still in the world?
emulatorloo
(46,135 posts)emulatorloo
(46,135 posts)Among other things, They did not follow thru and help the children.
I posted this article to you about Ballard.
Here it is again:
Tim Ballad and his organization behind this sound very problematic. It sounds like they do more harm than good, and their motivations are suspect.
It is a long article but well worth reading.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/05/sex-trafficking-raid-operation-underground-railroad.html
Called by God
In 2014, I went on a vigilante raid to “save” kids sold for sex. What we did haunts me now.
BY MEG CONLEY
Snip
I found out what really happened from a Foreign Policy report:
“In 2014, after OUR’s first operation in the Dominican Republic, a local organization called the National Council for Children and Adolescents quickly discovered it didn’t have the capacity to handle the 26 girls rescued. They were released in less than a week.”
Some testified, the article reported. The local organization lost track of others. All those kids in 2014 got from us was a soda and a swim—and Ballard came out ahead in the deal.
Disillusioned and disturbed, I sought more understanding of the group’s place within the anti-trafficking world. I reached out to anti-trafficking experts. When I told an international anti-trafficking expert about the 2014 raid I attended, she immediately said, “Do you know how wrong all of that was?” The research, I learned, tells us our 2014 raid was most likely just another childhood trauma for those 26 kids. We made their lives worse.
But what she grasped in a moment, it took me years to understand. When Ballard called me into that house, he put me in harm’s way so that I could write a story about him. (Ballard did not respond to specific questions about the raid.) A condemnation of Ballard? Yes. But it’s a condemnation of me, too. I’d imagined myself the same way he did, or said he did—as a savior of these children. I tried to find meaning in my own life on the backs of exploited kids.
I began to face the truth.
Operation Underground Railroad is now famous for its international sting operations. They are a big fundraiser: In 2015, a Silicon Valley man funded a sting with $40,000 and watched it happen in real time. With the help of OUR, a rich person can become a vigilante hero for the day, their living room transformed into a personal situation room. For those who can’t afford the situation room, Ballard carries the drama with him to every interview and every fundraiser. That drama, and a real desire to save children, moves a lot of donors, whether or not it’s accurate. Vice recently investigated a few of Ballard’s stories and found “a pattern of image-burnishing and mythology-building, a series of exaggerations that are, in the aggregate, quite misleading,” and has detailed “disturbingly amateurish” operations like the one I attended.
The TV show never got picked up. But Operation Underground Railroad made a video of the raid I went on and posted it to its YouTube channel. It’s still there. You can see the terrified housekeeper when she opens the door to a man with a gun, me lying on the floor while police pace around me, and Ballard winking at the camera. The video ends with the line, “26 victims liberated, 8 traffickers arrested.”
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zuul
(14,703 posts)to do anything? Because your first post, in which you urged us to watch a QAnon movie, was removed?
It has been pointed out to you in multiple posts why none of us will support that movie, and yet you persist in falsely claiming ‘no one here wants to do anything.’
Show your proof that we don’t care about child sex slavery since you keep posting that. Prove it with facts!
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sheshe2
(95,277 posts)snip
For the first time, a self-serving foundation peeks through the cracks of noble service, the lone honest beat in a purported exposé of scandalizing facts. All of a sudden, this snare of wild-eyed falsehoods starts to make sense, its scattered ideology falling in line under the organizing principle of hoarded influence. And right on cue, as if in divine affirmation, a QR code pops onscreen linking to a site that puts patrons two key strokes away from buying $75 worth of additional tickets for the movie they’ve just seen. Though we differ on the culprits and causes, everyone agrees that child trafficking is indefensible, a third-rail standing that also makes the subject effective as a cudgel. Caviezel’s final statement double crystallizes the nonetheless foggy stakes: if you’re not with us, you’re with them, whoever they are.
https://democraticunderground.com/index.php
Saying DUers don't care about sex trafficking is rather insulting to all of us.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)OneBlueDotS-Carolina
(1,480 posts)Plate spinners, Opera... maybe a ballet?
The theater I was in was packed.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)the realization of how much child sex slavery was in the world and in America.
But this forum wants to divert attention to Q.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)emulatorloo
(46,135 posts)That post was deleted.
The person the movie is about is Tim Ballard, who is very controversial and a Q anon beleiver. Serious people who work to fight sex trafficing believe he is sketchy and does more harm than good. I provided you a well written article by a person who participated in one of his ‘raids.’ She explains that he did not actually help the children at all.
You really should read that article and educate yourself. And stop accusing DU’ers of not caring or having “agendas” until you have educated yourself.
Once again here is the link:
https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/05/sex-trafficking-raid-operation-underground-railroad.html
Called by God
In 2014, I went on a vigilante raid to “save” kids sold for sex. What we did haunts me now.
BY MEG CONLEY
sheshe2
(95,277 posts)Thanks so much for posting them here, em.
emulatorloo
(46,135 posts)
Hope you are doing well! sheshe2
(95,277 posts)Hope you are doing well too.
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The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)I am not seeing clear evidence of that.
I want solid evidence.
We need to stop child slavery and I do not care what source of evidence is.
The source does not matter if the facts are true.
So how about we just stop and examine the evidence. Right now!
Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)That’s all you need to know.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Children are being sexually enslaved. I don't care what the source of information is. Is the information true?
OneBlueDotS-Carolina
(1,480 posts)Sound of Freedom wants to raise awareness about child trafficking. Here’s what it’s really doing.
https://www.vox.com/culture/23794355/sound-of-freedom-controversy-true-story-qanon
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Are children being sexually enslaved????
You know they are you just don't like the source. I don't either and wish we were on this issue.
ShazzieB
(22,073 posts)I really appreciate the opportunity to educate myself farther. It's too bad that sentiment is not a more universal one. 
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)sheshe2
(95,277 posts)obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)Reposting a deleted thread. This is disgusting.
canetoad
(19,955 posts)Do you believe that children are forced into sex slavery with the ultimate intent to kill them and harvest adrenochrome from their dead bodies for use by rich perverts?
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)canetoad
(19,955 posts)The whacky beliefs that form the basis of the right wing CT that Democrats run child-sex trafficking pizza basements.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)And that is why children are being snatched by liberals.
Of course you support it, because you support that POS movie.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,105 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(26,105 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)What are you going to do? Or are you like most Americans who do not care about slavery?
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,105 posts)issue, so I figured you might have a plan about what you can do to help fight trafficking.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)The sexual slavery of children is real and a lot of posters here want to divert attention to other subjects.
I want to shine light on the cockroaches.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,105 posts)the trafficking?
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)edisdead
(3,396 posts)And you are calling others pushy?
JFOA…
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)All I see here is diversion. No one has even admitted we have a world wide problem with sexual slavery.
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)Check my new thread on how to ACTUALLY help
edisdead
(3,396 posts)You are wrong, nobody has said that there isn’t a problem.
Your troll game is weak.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,029 posts)a zillion.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)Incorrect grammar.
Oneironaut
(6,176 posts)Kidnappings make up a very very small portion of human trafficking. The actual solution to human trafficking is still in the realm of “Socialism,” so, we get bullshit movies about a good American Patriot storming evil brown people hideouts instead.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)1. Gone Baby Gone – Missing Child
2. The Descendants – Grief
3. White Oleander – Foster Care
4. Rain Man – Autism
5. Riding in Cars With Boys – Teen Mom
6. Notes on a Scandal – Teacher-Student Affair
7. Letters to God – Cancer
8. Precious – Abuse, Teen Mom
9. Iron Jawed Angels – Women’s Suffrage Movement
10. Boys Don’t Cry – LGBT
Yea and Jeffrey Epstein was just misunderstood and commited suicide.
Oneironaut
(6,176 posts)The Sound of Freedom is another faux-Christian propaganda film that doesn’t portray human trafficking remotely accurate, in the sense that it cares more about pushing a narrative and less about actual victims.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)Wtf is wrong with you.
LoisB
(12,163 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)I do not understand the negative reaction to my factual post about sexual slavery.
regnaD kciN
(27,401 posts)Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that I’m part of a group seeking to ban private ownership of guns. I don’t mean licensing, background checks, or other “common-sense gun control,” I mean an outright ban on anyone other than military or law enforcement owning any type of firearm.
I then go further, claiming that there is a vast conspiracy of “shadowy elite cabals” who gain sexual gratification from seeing innocent civilians gunned-down (like consumers of “snuff films”) and are thus conducting a campaign of influencing/brainwashing vulnerable individuals to commit mass shootings. I further intimate that there is a movement growing to oppose such perverts that will culminate in a “storm” where, say, a hidden force of heroes led by RFK, Jr. will overthrow the cabal and mete our final judgment against this cabal (which may involve the execution merely of NRA leaders and their political enablers, but might involve similar treatment for any gunowner or NRA member, since it will turn out that they all were involved in the conspiracy).
And then I, along with a number of people of similar beliefs, produce a hit feature film based on this scenario.
Then, when people complain that the scenario is dangerous bullshit, respond by reciting statistics about mass shootings, and sanctimoniously asking “So, does no one here care about the little kids gunned down at Sandy Hook or Uvalde? Apparently not.”
Anyone see how ridiculous that argument would be? How is this different?
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)I presented factual information about sexual slavery. Think what you want about the film we still have a problem!!!
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)You used this op to circumvent your deleted thread praising this Q movie. This OP is breaking rules
KentuckyWoman
(7,365 posts)It isn't sex. It is rape. That's what it is officially called. "Sex Trafficking" and "Sex Slavery". They are wrong and need to fix it.
No consent is rape. These women and children are kidnapping victims who are being raped and raped again.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)This forum just hates the messenger. Even though they can not disprove any of the messengers facts. We have a sexual slavery problem.
None of us should eat chocolate because it is also produced by child slave labor. The vast majority of Americans don't even know that fact.
They are diverting attention away from the child sex slavery problem.
Progressive dog
(7,561 posts)enough to research and write a report.
I'll bet most countries have laws against child sex slavery, so they care too.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)It is produced by child slave labor! Has been for years. The big companies also say they care.
It is lip service.
Jeffery Epstein was a very popular man.
Progressive dog
(7,561 posts)Here's another agency that cares.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/our-work/child-forced-labor-trafficking/child-labor-cocoa
Hekate
(100,130 posts)If you mention a pizza parlor, you won’t get very far, just so you know.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)The majority of it is produced by child slave labor. Do you even know that fact. The big companies keep promising to end the child slave labor. For years now they have promised.
Jeffrey Epstein was a very popular man
Nevilledog
(54,709 posts)Raising valid concerns about the conveyance of propaganda has zero to do with the acknowledgement of the underlying issue.
I think you might benefit from further information
Why Anti-Trafficking Experts Are Torching ‘Sound of Freedom’
https://archive.li/CIw8Z
When Sound of Freedom, the new Jim Caviezel thriller about child trafficking, was released in theaters last week, it garnered mixed reviews, to say the least. The movie, with its central narrative about a former Homeland Security agent (Caviezel) embarking on a high-stakes mission to rescue children from a Colombian trafficking ring, has drawn criticism for its self-serious tone, its star’s promotion of conspiracy theories, and its dubious source material (Caviezel plays a fictionalized version of Tim Ballard, the founder of the anti-trafficking organization Operation Underground Railroad, which has been accused of embellishing some of its more extreme claims, which they have denied).
Such criticism hasn’t stopped people from flocking to theaters: to date, Sound of Freedom has grossed $40 million at the box office, with many of its defenders framing it as yet another lightning rod in the culture wars and accusing mainstream theaters of suppressing the film (the CEO of AMC, for his part, has denied this, calling such rumors “really bizarre”). Yet one demographic has expressed concern about the film’s tremendous popularity: the anti-child trafficking experts who Sound of Freedom is ostensibly about.
“I’ve literally been on four different group texts about the damn movie,” says Erin Albright, an attorney who has worked in the anti-trafficking space for 15 years, including as a former fellow for the Department of Justice’s anti-trafficking task force. Albright says Sound of Freedom is “grounded in this sensational perspective of what child trafficking would be,” rather than reflecting its grim reality.
A representative for Angel Studios, which distributed Sound of Freedom, did not respond to a request for comment about questions regarding its accuracy; however, in a blog post on its website, it acknowledges altering some of Ballard’s biographical details and that the film “took creative liberties in depicting the different methods of child trafficking.”
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The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Diverting attention from this subject will not fix it.
Nevilledog
(54,709 posts)obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)Nevilledog
(54,709 posts)emulatorloo
(46,135 posts)vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)The sound of freedom is literally a propaganda mouthpiece. Like the people who actually fight trafficking never get credit for their work. It's never in the news but you have this organization. This bullshit one that's created by Tim Ballard taking credit for shit he never does.
My question is what the fuck are you going to do about trafficking? What are you going to do about it you just going to come on here and bitch and complain that you're posy got removed because your spouting off a Qanon movie? Its right wing porn. Their version of Taken. It's all bullshit.
These people label me as a groomer and pedo because I'm fucking transgender. Because I wanted to be happy and that makes me somehow I wanna groom kids.
Way to show your true colors there Jungle.
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The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Though statistics regarding the magnitude of child trafficking are difficult to obtain, the International Labour Organization (ILO) estimates that 10,000 children are trafficked each year
It is estimated that between 15,000 to 50,000 women and children are forced into sexual slavery in the United States every year, and the total number varies …
The International Labor Organization estimates that there are 4.5 million victims of sex trafficking worldwide.
Statements like yours provide no help to children and women who are sex slaves. This problem is real you are the one living a lie.
Texasgal
(17,235 posts)I realize it happens. I am not stupid.
You on the other seem to have had a tall drink of KOOL AIDE. Q's only reasoning for putting this out is to instill fear and panic into the Q believer camp.
Please describe what your plans are to stop human trafficking? And REALLY... how do my statements ON DU provide no help? I never said there was NO human trafficking.
You have been affected by the Q panic... exactly what it was designed to do.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)My question to you is why do you want to cover up this issue. The facts I presented in my post are real. I never mentioned the movie in this post. So why don't you deal with the facts I presented.
Is it propaganda to insinuate sexual slavery is not real? You are providing a dark room for it to hide in.
What will I do you ask. I will continue to turn on the light.
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)At all. And literally I never said anything about covering the issue at all. The issue is real and it's being overshadowed by this shitty Taken b movie knockoff.
The dude literally at the end didn't bring awareness. He didn't talk about how to help victims or organizations. He said. Buy tickets to my shitty movie.
Facts are that the movie is a recruitment tool made by Qanoners. Thus lost all credibility
I post links to organizations that the dipshit star of the movie should have done.
emulatorloo
(46,135 posts)Endless dishonest claims DU’ERs are covering up sex abuse and believe Jeffrey Epstein is innocent.
I think I know what the endgame is.
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)We found a long time sleep account that has activated at the right time. Literally we all know child trafficking is awful and needs to be stopped. But this movie is just an action film...it doesn't help anyone. It's a grift at the end to buy more tickets instead of donating to organizations that combat trafficking.
Tim Ballard also embellishes and lies about his story. Hes a conman
emulatorloo
(46,135 posts)Indeed, and that was the gist of this posters deleted thread earlier: Buy tickets.
I will no doubt get a hide for saying this, but I believe the poster’s goal is to get banned, so they can lie about DU and Democrats, using this thread as “proof” of their lie that we don't care about sex abuse/slavery.
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)Putting words into our mouths about Epstein and saying that he didn't bring up Q despite the movie is made by literal fucking Qanoners...
emulatorloo
(46,135 posts)
bookmarked and recommended.vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)Because it's not that hard to fucking actually make a point about how bad it is.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)100%
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)I agreed with the posts that acknowledge the problem.
I have posted here for years and I am shocked by this string.
emulatorloo
(46,135 posts)Epstein is innocent.”
You falsely accuse members of not caring about sex trafficking. Those are the actions of someone who is not arguing in good faith.
You are not presenting yourself as honest people presents themselves.
betsuni
(28,602 posts)
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)of how big the sex slavery problem is. He was selling children and he was mainstream!
I did not mention the movie at all in this post. I only talked about sex slavery. You and everyone else brought up Q. I want to shine a light of child sex slavery. It is real and needs the attention.
Even without the movie we still have the same problem.
How about you address the problem of child sex slavery in America. Fuck off with the debate over the movie. Yuns don't like the movie so I stopped talking about it. I see very few posts here addressing the horrific problem of child sex slavery.
I did no research on that movie before I went to see it. It was a rainy day, I watched a trailer and went to the movies. It was that or Indiana Jones. I detected no politics in the movie and no religious leanings. I was not until I posted here that I learned of the controversy.
I am still shocked. Yea there is some Kool Aid being gulped.
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)Literally it's a shitty Taken rip off it doesn't help the cause because at the very end it's a fucking grift. Literally talking about it does nothing because it's just talking. it's an action film it has no meaning at all because it's not doing anything meaningful and it's not addressing the problem first and foremost by bringing organizations to light. There are real organizations and heroes that do this shit and this is just a glorified right-wing porno about Q being the ultimate saviors of human trafficking. Which they are not.
I know you keep saying it has nothing to do with Q but it's made and financed by the same people that accuse us of raping kids and drinking their fucking adrenochrome. Jesus get a fucking clue my guy.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)And, Liam Neesom and the ever underrated Maggie Grace are good actors who sell the action part of the semi-dumbass movie.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)Wtf is wrong with you.
Someone who Qanons accuse if being a groomer. Wtf is your problem.
MissB
(16,340 posts)Your “message” is not clear, at all. You’ve clouded your message throughout this thread, accused DUers baselessly, and been oddly combative where it’s really not necessary.
At this point, I have no idea what your point is, and frankly I don’t care. This isn’t how to present a topic or a concern. This whole thread, and your arguing, is pretty much spot on how not to run a conversation on DU.
Come back again tomorrow and try again! The posters here are not your enemy.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,029 posts)disingenuous bullshit.
"I did not post about the movie." "I did not post about the movie." "I did not post about the movie." x infinity.
So what is this about, then? What's your plan to help sex trafficking victims?
Carlitos Brigante
(26,848 posts)Silent3
(15,909 posts)Build a wall between the US and Mexico.
Refer to all LGTBQ+ people as "groomers", attack their rights, and blame them for all bad things happening to children.
Buy more guns!
Bring back school prayer. Christian only.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)In this thread. Knowing the DUer is trans.
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)They're accusing everybody of this crap not just me. I'm surprised this fucking idiot is even still a member and not revoked yet
EYESORE 9001
(29,380 posts)I want more eyes to witness your disdain for them. ‘Nobody cares…’ gimme a fucking break 
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)The OP, throughout the thread, is supporting the Qanon propo movie as a legit source.
They also are avcusing DUers, many times in this thread, of not caring about child sex trafficking abd that wecthink Epstein was innocent.
Wtaf OP.
yardwork
(68,778 posts)This attempt at gaslighting failed miserably, the sea lioning is being ridiculed, there isn't a single supporter in the thread (not even a sock or two), and the few DUers who recced the thread probably took the OP at face value (sex trafficking is bad, m'kay) and didn't read the thread. Plus I've lost count of the OP's removed posts, and they can't post any further in the thread.
So there's that.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)yardwork
(68,778 posts)EYESORE 9001
(29,380 posts)This seems like a good enough hill on which to die. I won’t rest until a reprimand of some sort is issued. This is pure-D divisiveness and either it goes or I go. Hosts?
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)I am heading into a meeting/presentation in 11 minutes and don't have time right now.
ShazzieB
(22,073 posts)1. Find a post he made (Announcements is a good place to find a bunch).
2. Click on his name and his profile will pop up.
3. Look for the button that says "Send DU Mail." (Top of screen, 4th from left.)
4. Click "Send DU Mail" and type in your message.
5. Click "Send DU Mail" (under the text box).
Johnny2X2X
(23,654 posts)Jim Caviezal is using this movie to try to justifiy his sick Q Anon theories, and to try to get more people into his Q Anon cult. And that cult blames child sex trafficking on you guessed it, Killery and the Jews.
Caviezel is the producer and the star of the movie, he's the one who had the movie made. And he's toured to promote the movie and made it abundently clear that this is about the Jews and LGTBQ people running a $150 Billion industry of buying and selling children for sex, but eventually to harvest for their organs, and yes, so the Jews and the Clinton crime family can harvest Adrenechrome from their brains. Caviezel is a deranged antisemetic lunatic who made this movie for one reason, and one reason only, to get more people into his weird Q cult.
What kind of sick freak exploits the very real problem of child sex trafficking to spread his disgusting conspiracies about LGBTQ people, the Clintons, and Jewish people?
"Those who can get you to believe absurdities, can get you to commit atrocities." Voltaire. And that's what this is all about, people like Caviezal want Q followers to start murdering liberals, it's exactly why some deranged Q Nut was arrested outside Obama's home last week, he was following the absurdities.
And who is really doing something about the real problem of child sex trafficking? Is it the Republicans, who literally want child brides as young as 10 to continue to exist in the US, or is it the Dems, who've championed crisis centers for trafficked women and teens, and supported all sorts of social programs that go towards fighting human trafficking? Know that for every child who is raped and becomes pregnant, there's a slew of Republicans in Congress who would force her to give birth to her rapist's child.
Yes, there is trafficking going on, Republicans have largely ignored it for decades, maybe this movie gets them on board with the many many programs Democrats have been championing for so long that help the issue. And if the border is a source of child sex trafficking, what can we do to make immigration easier and safer for children and their parents? Certainly the Trump era deal with a military dictator in Guatamala to mnake it the lone hub for immigrants didn't help the situation at all, nor did the rule forcing assylum seekers to stay in Mexico help.
But we know what will happen, Dems will propose solutions and programs that they've already set up, and Republicans will say we don't have the money for it. Rinse and repeat. I'd say to Right wingers, "Welcome to the fight." But I know they have zero actual will to do anything to help this real issue if they can't use it to blame it on the Jews, LGTBQ people, and the Clintons. This isn't actually an issue they really care about, as much as it is a way for them to foment violence through their conspiracy theories.
mainer
(12,475 posts)Send them money. Whether they actually "free" any slaves is in doubt.
Silent3
(15,909 posts)As I said in another post, the agenda behind the movie is to make you decide the only solutions are:
Build a wall between the US and Mexico.
Refer to all LGTBQ+ people as "groomers", attack their rights, and blame them for all bad things happening to children.
Buy more guns!
Bring back school prayer. Christian only.
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NowISeetheLight
(4,002 posts)Movie dramatization of the Boston Globe investigation into the Catholic Church cover up of abuse by multiple priests. Over 80 kids.
The newspaper won the Pulitzer Prize for the story.
The film won the 2015 Academy Award for Best Picture.
Trailer:
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obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)EVERY actor in this is terrific. Every single one.
BannonsLiver
(20,175 posts)It’s like they’re telling on themselves or something.
obamanut2012
(29,106 posts)Like the huge "GAYS ARE GROOMERS" pols are almost always found with CSAM, or are arrested for SA.
EYESORE 9001
(29,380 posts)The author of this execrable OP has been flagged for review. Can this thread be hidden or at least locked? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE?!?
JustAnotherGen
(37,442 posts)I'm all about the Barbie Movie!
It's a return to my childhood.