Why are Trump's lawyers meeting with the Judge tomorrow about the classified documents?

[kentuck]

What classified documents? I thought he "de-classified" all of them?

Is that what the lawyers are going to tell Judge Cannon?

The very fact that the lawyers are meeting to discuss how to handle the classified documents proves the point that Trump is lying. But, what's new?

After the meeting, how long until Trump is indicted, again?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

1. Trump was already indicted on the documents

[bucolic_frolic]

2. Trump is aiming for political and public relations innocence, not innocence in the legal sense

This is a movement and a marketing buzz. It's how he handled landlord issues fighting the government in court for these many decades.

Fake it until you make it, then keep on faking it.

[Irish_Dem]

3. Trump uses whatever words he thinks serves his purposes from day to day.

Or minute to minute.
The words don't mean anything other than that to him.

[kentuck]

5. I wait for the day they cram his lies down his throat...

...and he is humiliated in front of the world. We can dream, huh?

[Irish_Dem]

8. He may take a plea deal to avoid humiliation.

But yes I would like to see all his lies and crimes crammed down his orange throat too.

[kentuck]

12. I suspect he will be offered a plea deal.

He does not want to go to jail but he will play the game to the very end.

[Irish_Dem]

15. Yes Chris Christie says that Trump is terrified of going to jail.

A plea deal is the last chance he has before trial to avoid a jail sentence.

[MiHale]

14. He'd have to admit guilt in a plea deal right?

Plus what does he deal with?

Trump says: “Ok, keep me outta jail and I’ll….??? What?
Give up Mark Meadows? Trump…he planned the whole thing.
Turn on Rudy?….Trump…he told me it was all legal.
Include Gym?…Trump…he’s an idiot but he went along with everything.

[kentuck]

16. To stay out of jail...

He could agree to halt all his "political" rallies, agree to a home arrest, and a halt to all his lies on his social media platform?

To stay out of jail?

[MiHale]

19. Add withdraw from the campaign...

Gotta start the bargaining somewhere. Wouldn’t need the rallies. Yes kill his social media outlets.
And no “shadow” comments by his minions for him.
Basically quarantine him for life.

[Marthe48]

31. He'll say whatever it takes

and then do whatever the hell he pleases. I'd like to see any plea include shutting off his access to the human race. Make him a traitor without a country.

[kentuck]

33. Right!

He would say it was "rigged", in order to keep him from expressing his First Amendment rights.

Personally, I would like to see the prosecution publicly state that there will be no plea bargains.

[Irish_Dem]

17. Behind closed doors he will admit to whatever it takes to stay out of jail.

Then in public he will say he was railroaded, etc.

Same old story.

[kentuck]

18. However, his public comments could be part of a plea deal.

It is his public comments that are a threat to our national security.

[Irish_Dem]

23. Jack Smith knows he cannot muzzle Trump.

He will let Trump flap his gums and look like an idiot.

Smiling all the while because he nailed Trump's ass to the wall.

[brooklynite]

4. What Trump has said is irrelevant; its what his lawyers say that counts.

The purpose is to discuss how classified documents will be used as evidence in the trial.

[kentuck]

6. Irrelevant in a legal sense?

But not in a public PR sense?

[brooklynite]

20. Trump is not currently under oath.

[H2O Man]

21. This was scheduled

for last week. It was Nauta's attorney who requested the brief delay -- not Trump's. Nauta's attorney had gotten both the Trump team and the prosecutors to agree to the delat, so Cannon accepted it.

This type of hearing is standard in every case involving sensitive documents. It is specific to that issue, and should not be mistaken for involving anything else. For example, it is not about the defendent's team's hopes of delaying the trial until after the election.

The defendent's team is trying to delay, and will continue to do so. But thatis distinct from tomorrow's hearing.

[kentuck]

27. I was being half-way facetious because...

Trump had spouted off about how he had the right to all the documents and that he had "de-classified" all of them before they left the White House.

Of course, that was all BS.

But it does put his lies about the stolen documents in sharp contrast with the law.

He has always been able to use delay to his advantage.

[H2O Man]

30. Okay.

I slept late this morning, and should know better than post before I at least finish my first cup of coffee!

[kentuck]

32. But you are correct in that...

...their goal is to delay everything until past the election. That would not speak well for our justice system, in my opinion.

[H2O Man]

34. I agree.

I think that Cannon is aware that the world's eyes are upon her. She doesn't want to make any large errors that could potentially result in her being taken off the case. Granting such a delay would be such an error. But that doesn't equal her making rulings that favor the defendent,and that inhabit more of a gray area ...... indeed, as someone said, she wants to go by the book, but this is an unpublished book, so to speak.

As you pointed out, if the defendent had declassified these documents, there would be no indictments, no arrest, and thus no court hearings, much less trial. Despite the fact that his legal team has not once said he declassified any of them, we hear the brain-dead cult members still say he did. Pathetic.

[Fiendish Thingy]

7. Try and keep up- Trump was indicted weeks ago.

Tomorrow’s hearing is a CIPA hearing, at the request of the DOJ, to determine the handling and admissibility of classified information during the trial.

It has nothing to do with Trump’s lies and requests for delays, although Cannon May issue rulings on pretrial motions, deadlines and trial timelines.

[kentuck]

9. edited:

Thanks!

I think he will be indicted on January 6 charges soon.

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. Yes, it looks like it will be a long hot summer for Donnie Two Scoops! Nt

[getagrip_already]

24. The judge did state....

That s h e will address the court date and other schedule issues at the hearing tomorrow.

She has already heard from the doj (December postponement), tfg (permanent postponement ) response, and dojs response to tfgs response.

So she could just reset the trial date then and there.

[Fiendish Thingy]

35. Indeed, but the primary purpose of tomorrow's hearing is CIPA matters. Nt

[republianmushroom]

10. Indictment does not mean conviction or even a trial.

Charges can be dismissed.

[kentuck]

11. Still, isn't that progress?

There is no guarantee that he is going to jail. But the law guarantees all citizens a trial by a jury of their peers.

[republianmushroom]

13. Oh, Yes, this is progress, after all of the foot dragging. Yes, it is progress.

And hopefully it will bear fruit.

[getagrip_already]

26. With prejudice even......

But if the trial hasn't started, I think that can be appealed. There is no double jeopardy until a case is heard.

[Mr.Bill]

25. I can't believe anyone would be considering

making any kind of a deal with Trump. He will not honor any deal he makes. He never does. Someone would have to be an absolute moron to think otherwise.

[getagrip_already]

28. Some deals have teeth.....

If you violate a plea bargain, your conviction still stands but not your reduced sentence. Plus you can be re-tried for any charges dropped if the trial hadn't started yet.

[Mr.Bill]

29. What,

after they spend five years investigating if the deal was broken?

[getagrip_already]

36. The "deal" will be he agrees to plead guilty to at least one felony...

That has a 10 year max term, possibly more. Then if he violates the agreement the judge sentences him to jail time for those convictions, and not the minimum.

That's what convinces people to keep to the terms of a deal.

And no, it won't take 5 years, one post would do it.

[onenote]

37. Check out this line from DOJ's proposed protective order regarding classified docs filed today

"Information that is classified that also appears in the public domain is not thereby automatically declassified unless it appears in the public domain as the result of an official statement by a U.S. Government Executive Branch official who is authorized to declassify the information."

See paragraph 10:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490071/79/1/united-states-v-trump/

[kentuck]

38. So there have been no specific official statements...

Only the generic, I "de-classified" all of them?

[onenote]

39. Not that I know of. Wonder if Trump's lawyers will object to this language.

Trump's lawyers have indicated to DOJ that there portions of the proposed protective order that they intend to oppose.Wonder if this will be one of those portions they find objectionable and how Cannon will deal with it