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AndyS

(14,559 posts)
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 09:08 PM Jul 2023

When you find yourself confronted by a Christian waving their faith in your

face try Matthew 6:6

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.


If that doesn't work try Matthew 10:14
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.


They hate having their Bible quoted at them.

If that doesn't work remind them that religion is like a penis; it's okay to have one and it's okay to be real proud of it but it's NOT okay to whip it out in public or shove it down other people's throat.
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When you find yourself confronted by a Christian waving their faith in your (Original Post) AndyS Jul 2023 OP
I like to think that if these people have to proclaim themselves Christians, then obviously alwaysinasnit Jul 2023 #1
Christian trades people KentuckyWoman Jul 2023 #19
+1000 alwaysinasnit Jul 2023 #22
Also remind them: "Your religion tells you what *you* can't do, not what *I* can't do." Ocelot II Jul 2023 #2
I don't know what Bible you read. onecaliberal Jul 2023 #3
Exactly! They never seem to quote Christ - only the Old Testament. One Wonder Why Jul 2023 #11
Otherwise known as the prosperity gospel. Another "christian" lie. onecaliberal Jul 2023 #45
friend of mine who is my church was at a local big box churh. AllaN01Bear Jul 2023 #16
I always thought that verse was... LastDemocratInSC Jul 2023 #33
lol AllaN01Bear Jul 2023 #42
Funny. I read the one that endorses ExWhoDoesntCare Jul 2023 #34
Yes, the Old Testament. Before Jesus. onecaliberal Jul 2023 #46
Or Canetoad 1:7 canetoad Jul 2023 #4
Lol Bristlecone Jul 2023 #7
Hehehehehhe malaise Jul 2023 #8
I am SO stealing that! hatrack Jul 2023 #13
Excellent!!! n/t GP6971 Jul 2023 #17
Answer the door in undies. KentuckyWoman Jul 2023 #21
Latest practice of Christianity::: pushing babies back in the water - Abbot, Texas border. keithbvadu2 Jul 2023 #5
I don't even bother to respond to situations like that.... anciano Jul 2023 #6
"By their actions you shall know them" usonian Jul 2023 #9
I really like the last one. MLAA Jul 2023 #10
I respond by pointing out that I am also a Christian. lees1975 Jul 2023 #12
Just say, "Don't know. Don't care." LuvLoogie Jul 2023 #14
superb post!🤣👍 bringthePaine Jul 2023 #15
I will bring some canned food to your next food drive for the poor Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #18
i must remember that last one. barbtries Jul 2023 #20
I always try to work up a fart. A little stank to go along with the shit they are selling. Solly Mack Jul 2023 #23
I just wait until they tell me I'm going to hell Warpy Jul 2023 #24
One question Sessuch Jul 2023 #25
Religious Narcissiists Phoenix1960 Jul 2023 #26
There's nothing you can say or do that will sway a zealot who has already made up their mind Major Nikon Jul 2023 #27
Have you tried saying--I worship Satan, and practice voodoo? Bayard Jul 2023 #36
Well Chi67 Jul 2023 #28
There is more to your first quote. gordianot Jul 2023 #29
Have you noticed that those who want to share their religion with you do not want to share yours? keithbvadu2 Jul 2023 #30
Yep Chi67 Jul 2023 #31
My 6 foot oak staff tends to discourage them before I actually have to run niyad Jul 2023 #32
I simply tell them I'm a Buddhist, and vlyons Jul 2023 #35
Ask them to quote the Beatitudes from memory. Then ask them... TreasonousBastard Jul 2023 #37
I tell them I am a third generation atheist Hamlette Jul 2023 #38
I just tell them to bugger off ExWhoDoesntCare Jul 2023 #39
I tell them I don't speak English. The Wizard Jul 2023 #40
It's normally on the order of "have a blessed day," and Hortensis Jul 2023 #41
Same here. I can't think of a time when anyone has ever tried to push their religion in my life. BlackSkimmer Jul 2023 #43
I've never encounter more then that either Raine Jul 2023 #47
Count to ten, then throat punch them at eight. They never expect that. Swede Jul 2023 #44

alwaysinasnit

(5,624 posts)
1. I like to think that if these people have to proclaim themselves Christians, then obviously
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 09:14 PM
Jul 2023

they haven't convinced anyone based on their actions/behavior that they are, in fact, Christians.

KentuckyWoman

(7,401 posts)
19. Christian trades people
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 10:40 PM
Jul 2023

I will not hire anyone who makes a point of marketing as a Christian business. If they were any good at whatever it is. They would not need to troll business based on religion.

Yeah fine. Deacon in your church. That's great. But can you get the tree roots out of my main sewage line without tearing up the whole yard and then vanishing with the job half done?

Ocelot II

(130,538 posts)
2. Also remind them: "Your religion tells you what *you* can't do, not what *I* can't do."
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 09:15 PM
Jul 2023
 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
3. I don't know what Bible you read.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 09:16 PM
Jul 2023

I read the one that says help the poor, feed the hungry, care for the homeless and love your neighbor. That is what people who follow Christ do. It’s not my words, Jesus says it. If you’re hating and banning people, that isn’t Christian.

Wonder Why

(7,029 posts)
11. Exactly! They never seem to quote Christ - only the Old Testament. One
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 09:52 PM
Jul 2023

does not need to be a Christian to do that but has to live by the New Testament to be a Christian.

It is only their claim that makes them "Christian" but it's just a lie.

That's why we have "Christians" preaching hate.

That's why we have "Christians" of "The Church of What is Happening Now" (Flip Wilson comedy routine) which teach that being rich means you are blessed by God and being poor means you are not. Those types of churches (with hundreds or thousands of parishioners) are as bad as the haters because they encourage members to consider they are blessed so there is no need to help their poor neighbors who are being punished by God. They make the parishioners feel good about how much money and property they own and make them want to hold down the poor or the poor will make the rich have less (and be less blessed).

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
45. Otherwise known as the prosperity gospel. Another "christian" lie.
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 10:58 AM
Jul 2023

It is sad that they are so gullible. They might be surprised to find out who ends up in hell with them.

AllaN01Bear

(29,498 posts)
16. friend of mine who is my church was at a local big box churh.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 10:36 PM
Jul 2023

of that ilk . she was talking with them on what they do for the poor ( 500 people each / 3 services ). they go, oh , them. out of her mouth goes , it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven and the words just poped out of her mouth and the other church was flabberghasted .

LastDemocratInSC

(4,242 posts)
33. I always thought that verse was...
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 11:41 PM
Jul 2023

It's easier for a rich man to stick himself in the eye with a needle than for a camel to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Now, I stand corrected.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
34. Funny. I read the one that endorses
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 11:42 PM
Jul 2023

Kidnapping

Rape

Slavery

Murder

Mass Murder

Genocide.

And lots more horrible, evil stuff.

I also how all that stuff supposedly about the poor and loving your neighbor? No demigod necessary for that. It was already in the older part of the book before him.

Really.

Just like all that love the neighbor stuff from the demigod is right up next to his promises of "follow me or I'll torture you forever." Or the promises to bring divisiveness, not unity if people don't follow him. Or, hey, how about that part where he beat the crap out of people for a non-violent offense. I've seen people here *brag* about him doing something so monstrous, as if it were a good thing, when it was simply sick and violent and flat-out evil.

Those of us who have actually, you know, *read the book*--all of it--know that it has far more hate and violence in it than it does kindness. Over 1600 incidents of injustice in the book. If averaged over the page count of a modern printing, that would work out to one incident *PER PAGE." The book also has over 1400 incidents of cruelty or violence. Again, about one incident per page, if averaged out over a modern printing. And then there are the well over 700 incidents of intolerance.

Now compare the 3700+ incidents of injustice, violence and intolerance to the 398 incidents of good stuff in the book.

https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/categories.html

And your demigod is the purveyor of the most evil and violent idea ever conceived, the idea of hell, a permanent torture chamber for those who disagree with him.

And you call that person good? Kind? Someone worth following? Are you absolutely mental?

Do you have even one iota of an idea of how much hate and violence and utter cruelty it takes to torture someone for five minutes? Now think about how much it takes to do it *forever.* Only the most evil and hate-filled being would or could think that way. Good grief, name your worst villains of history, and not a single one of them was that hideously evil and cruel.

But that guy--he's the one you call good.

I don't know about anyone else, but anyone that advocates hurting people forever is not a good person in my book, and certainly not worthy of being heeded--about anything, never mind worshiped. I wouldn't trust my worst enemy to be safe around a person like that.

I'm simply too moral and decent to worship someone that cruel and evil. That's not hubris talking. It's reality. I may be an idiot about a great many things, but I know for a fact that I would never want to hurt someone forever, never mind attempt it.

For any reason.

That's why it scares me that you find him moral and good and someone worthy of following.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
46. Yes, the Old Testament. Before Jesus.
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 11:05 AM
Jul 2023

If you read the whole book, you know he doesn’t advocate torturing people ever, let alone forever.

KentuckyWoman

(7,401 posts)
21. Answer the door in undies.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 10:48 PM
Jul 2023

Or for the brave ... nekkid.

My husband got sick of telling the evangelical door to door people to stop knocking on our door. He decided next time they would get hom in all his glory. They skipped our door after that.

Later I found out that is "a thing".

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
5. Latest practice of Christianity::: pushing babies back in the water - Abbot, Texas border.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 09:38 PM
Jul 2023

anciano

(2,256 posts)
6. I don't even bother to respond to situations like that....
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 09:40 PM
Jul 2023

it's not worth my time. Just ignore them and walk away.

usonian

(25,330 posts)
9. "By their actions you shall know them"
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 09:48 PM
Jul 2023

No need to list all the things that JWND!

Looking for "honest to God" Christians. Looking. Looking.

lees1975

(7,046 posts)
12. I respond by pointing out that I am also a Christian.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 09:53 PM
Jul 2023

That usually causes silence.

My favorite thing to do is to quote scripture back at them in context. My favorite passage is in the book of Jude, verse 4, and I apply what the Apostle said there to Trump. Then reference verse 16 as an accurate and apt description of everything MAGA.

That usually ends any conversation and clears out the space around me.

Tetrachloride

(9,624 posts)
18. I will bring some canned food to your next food drive for the poor
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 10:39 PM
Jul 2023

and I will be happy to give a sermon at your church called Get Off My Lawn

barbtries

(31,308 posts)
20. i must remember that last one.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 10:41 PM
Jul 2023

i just practiced it here and was smiling. someone's gonna get it the next time they try to proselytize me! thank you

Solly Mack

(96,943 posts)
23. I always try to work up a fart. A little stank to go along with the shit they are selling.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 10:49 PM
Jul 2023

Warpy

(114,616 posts)
24. I just wait until they tell me I'm going to hell
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 11:01 PM
Jul 2023

then I grab their right hand in a two fisted Chamber of Commerce style hearty handshake and say "I'd heard god was dead, but I didn't know you'd gotten the job! Congratulations!"

Works every damn time.

Phoenix1960

(15 posts)
26. Religious Narcissiists
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 11:18 PM
Jul 2023

My husband and were at a flea market. A jehovahs witness asked my husband who do you think is in control here? Huge red flag. I have zero tolerance for this. I will no longer speak to these people. I just walk away.

Major Nikon

(36,925 posts)
27. There's nothing you can say or do that will sway a zealot who has already made up their mind
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 11:25 PM
Jul 2023

Logic and reason have no effect on someone who has been conditioned and required to abandon them, and the reality is virtually none of them have the least idea or care what the bible actually says. They just allow others to interpret it for them and are nothing more than a proxy for their intent.

Chi67

(1,285 posts)
28. Well
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 11:26 PM
Jul 2023

Having been in this situation many times, I just tell them to go fuck themselves. Like someone said above, logic and reason don't work. If you simply tell them to fuck off, they go away, because at that point they know they have lost. Standing up to bullies works every time.

gordianot

(15,772 posts)
29. There is more to your first quote.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 11:33 PM
Jul 2023

I have used it on street thumpers once and keep it handy.

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen.

Overall an excellent post.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
30. Have you noticed that those who want to share their religion with you do not want to share yours?
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 11:34 PM
Jul 2023

niyad

(132,446 posts)
32. My 6 foot oak staff tends to discourage them before I actually have to run
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 11:41 PM
Jul 2023

them off. If that doesn't work, "you do realize that your book is the first piece of written political pornography and propaganda, don't you?", usually silences them.

One can have fun with these self-offering human scratching posts.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
35. I simply tell them I'm a Buddhist, and
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 11:44 PM
Jul 2023

that there is no invisible sky god, who waves a magic wand to suspend the laws of physics, biology, science, etc. They get the most shocked expression on their faces. Some Jehova's witnesses once paid me a visit, and they never came back.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
37. Ask them to quote the Beatitudes from memory. Then ask them...
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 11:49 PM
Jul 2023

just what the Beatitudes are.

Hamlette

(15,556 posts)
38. I tell them I am a third generation atheist
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 11:54 PM
Jul 2023

surprisingly, it shuts them up.

I live in Utah, Mormon missionaries used to come to the house all the time. The young ones were just tongue tied. I'm in my 70s and I think they thought it was odd that an old lady didn't believe in god.

Then they sent the old guys out. My husband was baptized as a child so they wanted to talk to him. I told them no, he is no longer Mormon. then they wanted me to give him some stuff to read. I said no, I was sure he wouldn't read it. Then they said could they leave the literature in case he wanted to read it. And I said no, I hated for them to waste the paper. I was so sweet. But didn't give an inch.

they didn't know what to do with me. So they left and no one has been back since.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
39. I just tell them to bugger off
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 12:07 AM
Jul 2023

I have better things to do than listen to a bunch of bollocks. But if they want the fight, then I only smile and start using their book and ancillary texts against them. Why, yes, I've actually read the main book, Augustine (oh dear), Origen (yawn), Aquinas (LOLOLOLOLOL), and several other of their major "thinkers"...and I know the chances are just about 90% that they haven't even read the main source book, never mind the extras.

They run away about 10 minutes in, when they realize I know their source material better than they do.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. It's normally on the order of "have a blessed day," and
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 01:04 AM
Jul 2023

I always smile and wish the person the same or a good day as well. If it's something more, whether nice or malicious, or often duty to proselytize, and I don't want to listen to it, I just break in and explain firmly but nicely that I'm not a person of faith but have a nice day. We have long experience.

Quoting meaningful scripture back sounds like a good tactic as long as it's done nicely. But nicely delivered or otherwise, if it runs over a sentence it risks being cut short.

Seems to me it's just plain "not okay" in any case to whip out what's not welcome and shove it down other people's throats. Surely, where unpleasantness is intended, whether it comes draped in religious or anti-religious trappings makes no difference?

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
43. Same here. I can't think of a time when anyone has ever tried to push their religion in my life.
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 10:00 AM
Jul 2023

"Have a blessed day" is common to hear around these parts, and I do the same thing, smile and with them the same.

Raine

(31,179 posts)
47. I've never encounter more then that either
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 12:01 PM
Jul 2023

some people must attract that kind of attention for some strange reason.

Swede

(39,497 posts)
44. Count to ten, then throat punch them at eight. They never expect that.
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 10:00 AM
Jul 2023

I kid, of course.

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