Fake electors respond to Michigan indictments

[Takket]

Try to read this excuse without laughing

https://www.wxyz.com/news/16-fake-electors-face-charges-in-alleged-scheme-to-overturn-2020-presidential-election

When we spoke with John Haggard of Charlevoix, another defendant, he had not yet gone through the charges.

“I have no idea what she’s filed,” Haggard said.

He said he doesn’t understand why Nessel filed charges and believes it’s for publicity.

“I signed a paper that said that Donald Trump won. I guess she doesn’t believe in the First Amendment in order that I can say what I want to say,” Haggard said.

[2naSalit]

1. Who is his attorney?

Yikes, what a stupid statement.

[canetoad]

40. I'm guessing

They didn't trawl through lists of Mensa members to select the fake electors.

[2naSalit]

42. No doubt about that!

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

49. To be fair...

After having qualified for Mensa and attended some meetings, I can assure you that some of them could have indeed been among the membership.

They may have been smart enough to pass the Mensa test, but smart in the more understood interpretation of the word, they weren't. Not all of them, that's for sure.

But if it were a test of pomposity for admittance, well, that's one test too many of them passed with flying colors.

[OAITW r.2.0]

2. The operatives that put this fake elector scheme together chose rubes/marks that

would carry it out. Most will react as John did, but there may be some that will be happy to drop some dimes or silver dollars on how this scheme came to be and who was involved in running it.

[Johnny2X2X]

3. LOL

This idiot knows what he did, he didn't just sign a piece of paper saying Trump won, he tried to substitute his own name as a replacement for the legal elector. They knew eactly what they were trying to do and this defense will be laughed out of court.

[iluvtennis]

21. Exactly. n/t

[inthewind21]

50. One woman

Says she signed a blank document. Her agreement she said that Trump won.

[dalton99a]

4. What they signed and submitted:

https://www.archives.gov/files/foia/mi-full.pdf

[PRETZEL]

12. thanks for posting this

There was something that I noticed about Kathy Berden since her name has come up several times.

On every document, she lists herself as Chairperson of the Electoral College of Michigan. Unless named otherwise, would not the Michigan Secretary of State be the "Chair" of the Electoral College (and is there such a thng?) who is responsible for certifying the results. I'm mentioning this since when you look at the envelope it was mailed from she lists her as Chairperson of the Republican Electoral College of Michigan. There's a big difference.

If this is a big deal, has she set herself for severe federal charges?

[dalton99a]

14. The governor certifies the results - Whitmer signed the real certificate:

https://www.archives.gov/files/ascertainment-michigan.pdf

[PRETZEL]

16. Correct, should have realized that nt

[Johnny2X2X]

18. Thank you for this

Their defense is total BS, but they know their voters will buy it. This wasn't signing a statement of who they thought won, this was an attempt to forge a document to award the elctoral votes in Michigan, and they didn't stop there, they took this further.

[Disaffected]

5. They don't seem to know the difference between

free speech and fraud (the idiots they are).

[bluesbassman]

6. Yep. What they did was a little more than "state an opinion".

They signed fraudulent legal documents declaring themselves duly recognized electors. He just admitted to it and the prosecution can and will use that in court. The First Amendment does not cover fraud, period. He’s either the stupidest criminal ever, or just plain stupid. Neither is a good defense strategy.

[Emile]

7. These right wing fools are facing serious jail time. They better

start talking to reduce their sentences. I want the ring leaders in Congress that were orchestrating this coup! Gym Jordan

[leftieNanner]

31. And Scott Perry! nt

[jaxexpat]

36. Good point. Every state which suffered these morons has a complicit congresscritter or two.

Why hasn't the DOJ gone after these guys? They're not smart enough not to leave a trail leading to their offices. Is this about the justice department being confused about what is illegal and what is not, what is in their jurisdiction and what is not? Are there enough Eastman believers in the DOJ to allow this treasonous attack on our elections to go unpunished, as if it weren't even controversial?

You know, if it's ultimately proven constitutional that it's exclusively the power of the states to police the electoral disposition in their jurisdiction, it's the same as saying Eastman was correct. Because it looks like the party could send (to Washington) the governor's housecat with a note on his collar stating the disposition of the state's electors and, unless the state AG fights it, the governor's party gets to do whatever they, or the cat, think they can. The national board of electors may throw a fit but they're not, after all, sovereign states.

Trump is walking through the holes in the constitution and showing folks how easy it is. That's not good, especially since so many people believe the constitution is a done deal document. Perfect and complete, infallible and right, from its inception, a document handy for fighting all social battles in court or in the streets.

[Sneederbunk]

8. Doesn't realize his ass is in a sling.

[Aristus]

9. So election fraud is free speech?

Who knew?

[Emile]

10. LOL, then he used free speech admitting that he

signed a paper that said that Donald Trump won. Where do they find these rocket scientists? 😂

[Iggo]

11. They haven't watched any of the 60 years of crime shows telling them to shut up and lawyer up.

Dummies make it easy, I guess.

[Skittles]

38. what is with people

it's gotta be arrogance - what part of STFU and let your lawyer do the taking do people not fucking understand?!

[NowISeetheLight]

44. 4Chan?

On some QAnon 4Chan message board!

[Turbineguy]

13. So....

they are not real professors?

[Emile]

15. Many are facing the rest of their life in prison. The youngest fake elector

is 55 years old. They better start ratting out the ring leaders in Washington.

[maxsolomon]

48. None of them will see a Life sentence.

I'd be shocked if any of them got 90 days.

[GoodRaisin]

17. Lock him up.

Lock them all up. Throw these stupid people in jail.

[marble falls]

19. Photo of them planning an escape ...

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

51. I'll see your still

And raise it with a moving picture, as my nan used to call them:

[ashredux]

20. It's almost sad, they are really really stupid. But a whole lot of people in jail ARE stupid.

They will fit right in, so to speak.

[SalamanderSleeps]

22. One of the first things that you notice about being in jail is there is no knob on your side.

[Generic Brad]

24. Oh, there's a knob there all right

It is in the cell but it's not not part of the door.

[AllyCat]

32. Lol!!

[republianmushroom]

23. Is he trying for an insanity plead. Good luck with it, but I don't think it is going to work.

Best get a very good lawyer instead.

That's going to be trumps last gasp, the insanity plead. "We all know that is wrong, I'm an ex-president."

[peppertree]

25. Haggard John and Rook the Kook

My favorite, though, has to be Facchinello the Fascist.

You're almost waiting for a 'Not the Onion' before the list.

[raging moderate]

26. They think they are the only real Americans.

Actually, most of them think they are the only real human beings.

[moniss]

27. You don't get to hide

behind the First Amendment when you are plotting or carrying out a criminal act. It was not a simple statement saying the Orange Ruski won. Furthermore they aren't being indicted for saying or believing he won. It's about making a false claim about being an elector and swearing to statements known to be false.

[SouthernDem4ever]

28. I hate to be repetetive

But WHAT AN IDIOT! I had to say it.

[CanonRay]

29. First one in the door gets a get out of jail free card

2-16, not so much.

[NowISeetheLight]

45. Please Take a Number

"Welcome to the new Trump University. Please take a number. The Warden will be with you shortly."

[ZonkerHarris]

30. Thank you for admitting to taking part in a conspiracy Haggard. You have the right to remain silent

[gab13by13]

33. "I have no idea what she's filed," Haggard said.

He better check out how much jail time he is going to serve. Did people tell you that Trump will pardon you? Bwahahaha.

Hey Haggard,, there is a moral to your predicament, everything Trump touches dies.

[Dorn]

34. Why are no other states indicting their election criminals ?!?

[Emile]

41. Jack Smith may have requested to hold off because he has the strongest case?

[ImNotGod]

35. Lying to an elections official is against the law which is one of the charges GA will be filing

against tRump.

[Evolve Dammit]

37. Fess up or lock up time you poor, power hungry cultists. Thank you MI!

[struggle4progress]

39. ... Michigan's 16 legitimate Electoral College delegates met in the State Capitol

on Dec. 14, 2020, to formally cast their votes for Joe Biden. Biden won Michigan by more than 154,000 votes. The same day, a group of Republicans signed their own illegitimate certificate and claimed they were the state's presidential electors; they then tried to get into the Capitol building and were denied entry ...

https://www.petoskeynews.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/01/21/charlevoix-resident-part-election-fraud-investigation/6550991001/

[NowISeetheLight]

43. Uh... New Definition of Stupid?

"Yeah... just because I wrote that letter that said I was going to shoot up a school and I signed it... it's the first amendment".

Confession noted.



“I signed a paper that said that Donald Trump won. I guess she doesn’t believe in the First Amendment in order that I can say what I want to say,” Haggard said.

[struggle4progress]

46. What? You don't think the right to free speech protects

the forging of public records?

What right would you have us lose next? Should we lose our free-speech right to counterfeit money? What about our free-speech right to lie under oath in court?

[NowISeetheLight]

47. Of Course

Freedom of the Press.. printing press to make my own money. Didn't even think of that one.

[MissMillie]

52. After the indictments, I went looking into what these folks actually put their names to

Just for giggles. I thought it would be interesting to see what the documentation shows in relation to the charges.

I found this:

https://www.americanoversight.org/american-oversight-obtains-seven-phony-certificates-of-pro-trump-electors

(You'll have to scroll through a bit to get to the pages that relate to Michigan)

I gave it a second glance today, after reading the article in the OP.

It looks like what they did at their meeting was:

They signed a certificate saying that they were the "duly elected and qualified Electors for President and Vice President for the State of Michigan"

It looks as though some of the real Trump electors were not present at the meeting. So they appointed fill-ins for the Trump electors that were not there, and signed documents saying that they were legally appointed to be Trump electors.

I thought I remember some hullabaloo about these guys trying to get into the Capitol Building in Lansing and being turned away by law enforcement. I guess there wasn't enough of a ruckus made for Nessel to decide to make any charges against these folks for trying to disrupt the whole process.

[electric_blue68]

53. Are these the fake electorates *we saw on video* walking up to an entrance of their ?State House/

Capitol saying they were the electors to the guard at the entrance that wouldn't let them in?

[SMC22307]

54. K&R