I'm livid! Pissed is an understatement!

[AntivaxHunters]

Are you ready for this shit?
I have a lot to say about this and I'm having to bite my tongue because what I want to say will get me in trouble.

I'm absolutely livid!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66271537

[Aristus]

1. Pictured: Our future. Same as our past.

Big fat smug white man exerts total power over a woman robbed of all agency just for trying to live her life.

[brooklynite]

9. You realize that's a Court Officer and not the arresting police officer?

[Aristus]

10. Still: White authority figure and terrified woman.

Any right-wingers looking at this are probably coming in their pants.

[sheshe2]

41. Plus the SOB has a smirk on his face!

[yardwork]

65. Yes, we realize that. What's your point?

P.S. This is a highly distressing subject for a lot of people, probably a good time to dial down the snark. Won't be taken well at all. This hint is kindly meant.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

84. WTF

difference does that make?

How fucking insensitive.

[Scrivener7]

100. Did you think anyone DIDN'T realize that? Because it would be pretty dumb not to, wouldn't it?

Or is that the assumption?

[pnwmom]

104. LIKE THAT MATTERS?????!!!!!

It's a man three times as big as she is with his hand on her, taking control.

The picture is emblematic, and disgusting.

[brooklynite]

145. So, a Court Officer should be able to choose which defendants he/she brings into Court?

His skin color, size and weight are irrelevant to the story.

BTW, remember when "fat shaming" was looked down on in these parts?

[pnwmom]

146. You decided to quibble over whether this representative of white male supremacy

was an arresting officer or a court official -- a distinction that the earlier posters hadn't made at all.

It doesn't matter which kind of officer he was. The photo is of a very large older man with his hand on a small, handcuffed young woman. The picture is symbolic, a visual representation of the imbalance in power.

[ForgedCrank]

147. For the

life of me, I can't figure out why the court officer is being attacked here.
Leading defendants into the courtroom is policy, it's for their safety as much as anyone else. They usually don't even know where to go either. I've also seen plenty of black females doing this same job, so the aggressiveness toward the guy makes no sense at all.
I think we can all agree that this is a very tragic thing all around, but we should probably pause and try to understand the situation before we take a single photo tagged with a headline at face value.
Just a general statement, not directed at anyone in particular.

[pnwmom]

149. He's not being attacked PERSONALLY. The photo is symbolic of the patriarchy that is

controlling the young female's body.

[ForgedCrank]

158. But that

isn't what is going on here at all. It's false and misleading. I thought we were against that here?

[pnwmom]

165. It's symbolic . Symbols aren't literal. nt

[ForgedCrank]

166. If that

is the bar to measure by, why don't we just stage symbolic photos or make them with photoshop? Because it would make us all look silly and dishonest.

[pnwmom]

174. I clearly can't explain it to you, but many women with empathy

will see that frightened woman handcuffed and under the control of that much more powerful man and feel the reverberations into their own lives.

That photo packs a visceral punch.

[ForgedCrank]

175. Don't assume

I have no empathy for this woman. What she did was leaning toward horrendous, but she was in a very difficult spot, and people don't always behave rationally in a situation such as that, especially at 19 years old.
I simply take exception to falsely framing a photo to be something it simply is not. 2 completely separate issues.
The woman and court officer in this photo is being treated like any other person would be while in custody and entering a courtroom.

[uponit7771]

148. +1

[alimbalt]

150. As were all of...

... Hitler's SS Generals.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

168. Welcome to DU

[AZSkiffyGeek]

14. Court officers takes woman into custody for cremating her stillborn fetus

There, I fixed it for you.

[BlackSkimmer]

37. Much better. Except she was already in custody.

I guess the poster to whom you responded must have missed that little fact.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

43. I don't want to seem like I approve of this

She shouldn't have been to the point of desparation a month or so before her kid was due.
But the journalist in me always looks deeper into these emotional headlines and there is a lot more to this than "The patriarchy is punishing an innocent girl for getting an abortion."

[BlackSkimmer]

126. Agree.

100%.

[MOMFUDSKI]

112. A woman in America today is

IN CUSTODY the moment she becomes pregnant. How is that for succinct?

[AntivaxHunters]

58. Let me fix it for you

She did it because she had to hide evidence knowing that she'd go to prison due to Nebraska's fascist abortion laws.

There.

[inthewind21]

119. Except

that's incorrect. Do carry on though.

[stopdiggin]

130. +1. maybe 2. the snark kinda' loses something

when you're wrong ...

[True Blue American]

151. What an insensitive remark.

[markie]

60. no fixing necessary

white men continue to refuse to let women live their lives... laws have been written w/o appreciation for women and the right to control their bodies

[markie]

68. I've been livid since this in Indiana

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/22/purvi-patel-abortion-sentence-reduced

the be fair I've been livid about this issue since I had to induce my own abortion years ago... no safe way

[treestar]

115. being a man is enough

we don't have to add race to the outrage here.

[Jose Garcia]

139. Great job on the Fat Shaming!

[SYFROYH]

141. He's just the bailiff doing his job.

He's there to keep order of the defendant, protect her from crazies, and escort her when she needs to come and go.

[Dr. Strange]

180. But he's fat.

And fat people suck. This is the way.

[madashelltoo]

2. This s..t is disgusting!

People had better wake up!

[inthewind21]

105. Poeple

Should have "woke up" BEFORE it happened.

[Chi67]

3. Wow

But the GQP promised they would NEVER target women, right? Fucking LIARS!

Out they go! Every last one of them! VOTE in 2024! All our lives depend on it!

[WhiteTara]

56. register 4 people in the next two months

and then have them register 4 more people before the holidays and so on and we could stop the madness. BUT you have to be registered to vote so that's our work now.

Welcome to DU

[bucolic_frolic]

4. This is legalized abuse and psychological torture

May there be a class action someday.

[Chainfire]

11. It is all about control.

Women need to be pregnant, at home and in the kitchen.

[calimary]

36. With mouths closed and legs wide open.

[sarcasmo]

91. Yep and it will worsen in RepubliCon Taliban controlled States.

[Irish_Dem]

5. The picture says it all.

The new normal for women.

[BlackSkimmer]

39. This happened before Dobbs.

This woman was no innocent.

Read the details.

[Irish_Dem]

55. I read the details.

Men have no right to force women to give birth against their will.

[markie]

62. ...

[maxsolomon]

95. 29 weeks. 3rd Trimester.

That was illegal before Dobbs.

[inthewind21]

108. No need for details/facts

It's outrage day!

[treestar]

117. Uh oh

another outrage fest blows up!

[inthewind21]

120. Yep

But it will end soon to start an outrage thread on how dumb and gullible MAGA'S are because they don't bother with facts.

[stopdiggin]

131. nope. we're going to do our outrage, regardless of inconvenient facts.

carry on. ------ ------

[walkingman]

6. I'm through using the term GOP - these people are Nazi's. Reprehensible.

[OAITW r.2.0]

7. These news stories are just getting started.

We will see more and more woman getting prosecuted for their decisions to terminate a pregnancy for whatever reasons they have. Going to be a huge issue in 2024.

[BlackSkimmer]

8. "Private" Facebook messages.

Lol.

Not a thing.

[Ligyron]

81. Right?

I mean use your head, don't make it easy for them.

Still, it's not right and you'd think every female in this country would take it personally and be sure to be registered and ready to vote these clowns out of office.

Men too, of course, but you know what I mean...

[The Wielding Truth]

12. Even when Abortion was illegal I don't remember any woman being arrested for having an abortion.

[colorado_ufo]

17. From what I read in the story, it also concerns

concealing human remains. I would like to know more details, such as was the fetus viable or perhaps very deformed? Did she have any prenatal care? This is a late abortion.

Seven months is a viable fetus.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

21. There's a lot more to the story than simply "government arrests girl for abortion"

There's ugliness on both sides, especially the Facebook messages angle, but the mom offering to help burn the remains really stands out to me.
And trying to paint it as a result of Dobbs is disingenuous since the case predates Dobbs.

[BlackSkimmer]

35. Thank you.

Never a good look for a story to be misrepresented here.

[Irish_Dem]

57. I was born a seven month fetus. And I still support women's rights to choose.

[Kaleva]

20. Looks like she was charged with illegally disposing of and concealing

human remains. Article doesn't say she was charged with having an abortion

[Irish_Dem]

47. Women have been hiding dead fetuses since time began.

There are not enough jails in the world to address the issue.

[MuseRider]

77. How is it that

people do not know this? It is like we are just now taking care of the things we need to without male approval (or the church which is likely the same thing) and we cannot be allowed? We do not need to be allowed to take care of ourselves. Is this an awful story? Yes. Does any one of us know what she had been going through or what she was looking at as a very young mother? No

You would think every other female on the planet was doing this just because they can, or could.

I suggest one more time of the uncountable times we have said this, "Get the fuck out of our business, our bodies and our lives!"

[MorbidButterflyTat]

87. "How is it that people do not know this?"

Because they don't flippin care.

To your entire post:

[MuseRider]

89. I gotta say

I probably did know that but it is so damned hard to swallow. Even after a life time of this, even DURING Roe it always felt really iffy and always on the brink of being taken from us.

Thanks.

[treestar]

118. very true, in prior centuries

they could conceal the whole pregnancy under the voluminous clothing and were thought to drop the born children in wells or such.

It was impossible to catch that but now we have Facebook.

[Blue Owl]

13. K&R for visibility

[50 Shades Of Blue]

15. Another K & R for visibility.

[bronxiteforever]

16. The GOP plan for the woman of America

Smug bully holding her in chains. Straight out of Russia or Iran.

[vapor2]

18. SCOTUS has opened Pandora's box

[AZSkiffyGeek]

19. This predated Dobbs

[Kaleva]

27. This was before SCOTUS overturned Roe v. Wade

From the article:

"Police opened the investigation into the mother and daughter in June 2022, before the Supreme Court overturned the nationwide right to abortion and left it to states to determine whether or how to allow the procedure."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66271537

[AllaN01Bear]

22. i have had to put a speed bump between my mouth and brain too.

my primary anger meter is busted . the backup is becoming that way.

[twodogsbarking]

23. Fuckin' fuck.

My country 'tis of thee. There goes our liberty.

[Kaleva]

29. This was illegal before Roe v. Wade was overturned

[twodogsbarking]

122. I fell for the headline. Still more to the story I would guess.

[calimary]

80. Good one. On the beat, and it rhymes.

And saddest of all, quite true.

[republianmushroom]

25. Just some republican law and order.

They will show you that they do control your body. Tattoos next ?

[Sky Jewels]

26. There it is -- patriarchal terrorism against women.

We need to destroy these people. You know, politically.

[leanforward]

28. You're not the only one!

To me, this is a PRIVATE issue.

[samnsara]

30. next time she will use pills to end her own life

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. There's yer campaign picture right there. Elect Democrats. . . . nt

[NJCher]

99. +1

You know if the shoe was on the other foot, they meaning republicans would take
maximim value from the photo, no explanation needed.

[inthewind21]

109. Sure

Make the teen who ended a 7 month pregnancy then destroyed the remains (which by the way was already illegal) BEFORE DOBS your poster child for campaign adds. Brilliant!

Question, how do you feel about Fox viewers who ignore all facts, don't even bother to get them, only take the headline and get all outraged over "mis-information"?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

127. Your beef is with the OP. My apologies if I did not read every post in the thread before posting. nt

[llashram]

32. example of creeping fascism

history is replete with examples of how fascists seem innocent at first and then one day, BAM!! Our rights and privileges are in the fascist toilet.

drip, drip, drip

[Retrograde]

33. Old enough to vote but

not to control what happens to her.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

34. 90 days is just for disposing the miscarriage. She faces five years in prison for the other charges

[AZSkiffyGeek]

38. Her mother is facing the additional charges according to the article

[Submariner]

40. Whoever impregnated her should serve time too

He should get fined and jailed just like her. Let the wayward lad share the pain. 50-50.

[inthewind21]

123. Awesome

Let's just start jailing people because of association. Sounds democratic to me!

[JanMichael]

144. Copulation is a bit more than association or a casual friend.

It involved more than going out for a coffee.

Sure I don't know if the sperm donor had anything to do with the aftermath of the pregnancy but had a lot to do with the pregnancy and the desire to terminate it.

[stopdiggin]

162. because 'if he had been around - or supportive .."

this young woman would certainly have had no desire to terminate ...

----- --- ---------- -------

listen to yourself. and then maybe stop attempting to contort the argument .. ?

[JanMichael]

163. Huh? I didn't say that.

[stopdiggin]

164. then I really blew it

but I took this directly from the post I responded to - -

"but had a lot to do with the pregnancy and the desire to terminate it."

my bad ?

[stopdiggin]

132. because he was involved in the late abortion

and disposal of remains?

[Pacifist Patriot]

42. We need to be careful about articles like this. The headline is a bit misleading.

The details clearly make this case completely unrelated to the loss of bodily autonomy that was the result of the Dobbs decision.

[Kaleva]

46. +1

[Irish_Dem]

51. It makes the point that the patriarchy will jail women over pregnancy issues.

Unrelated to Dobb's.

[Pacifist Patriot]

53. Of course they will. But the details are important.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

59. What is there to be careful about? What it shows is how easy it was to lose bodily autonomy

under Roe. We don’t need to return to Roe; we need to do better than Roe.

[markie]

63. "we need to do better than Roe"

[Pacifist Patriot]

66. I don't disagree. But I also don't want to see us lose the ability to process nuance.

The abortion was done at 28 weeks without a medical provider. They unlawfully disposed of fetal remains. The vast majority of fetuses delivered at 28 weeks are viable and less than 10 percent have long-term health issues.

I simply believe it is important to recognize the article is reporting on something that happened pre-Dobbs rather than as a reaction to Dobbs as many seem to assume.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

82. .

The abortion was done at 28 weeks without a medical provider.

I've seen reports of her being anywhere from 20-30 weeks along, which is interesting.

They unlawfully disposed of fetal remains.

Right, which is why she's spending 90 days in jail. It's also not unusual for people to manage their miscarriages and the remains themselves.

The vast majority of fetuses delivered at 28 weeks are viable and less than 10 percent have long-term health issues.

This one was stillborn, from what I understand from reports.

I simply believe it is important to recognize the article is reporting on something that happened pre-Dobbs rather than as a reaction to Dobbs as many seem to assume.

Sure, and it's also important to recognize that at all times, legal does not mean accessible and illegal does not mean harmful.

[Effete Snob]

94. correct

Not only that, but this incident has been discussed numerous times already on DU.

This case has nothing to do with overturning Roe v. Wade.

[YoshidaYui]

44. just FUCK THESE REPUBLICANS

THIS shit has to stop.

[CousinIT]

45. American f*cking Taliban.

[Snackshack]

48. How did LE get the PM's?

...and the satisfied look and that court officers face is disgusting.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that there was no case until LE read the PM's between mom and daughter. If ever there was a real privilege needed like attorney-client a mom-daughter one should exist because reality does not care about ones phucking misguided idiotic dogmas, it operates the same way day in and day out for 13.8billion yrs now and a mother has to be able to talk to her children in a realty based framework if they are to survive until adulthood.

Religion really is one of the worst human invented ideas. It is right up there with drinking radioactive liquid done in the early 1900's and taking ivermectin for a horse to treat something one thinks is a hoax.

Edit- The thing about this that really pisses me off and always has...what these two did should have never been written down because how they handled it was wrong. But because of religious/republican bullshit this poor girl probably did not even know there were other options. One of the greatest fucking commitments a human can ever make is to bring another life into this world and there is not even 1 fucking class in schools to educate people on just basic facts, that IS pathetic...now what really pisses me off and is really phucking pathetic is how on everyone of these GD stories I have ever seen there is NEVER even a mention, hint, passing reference to the other half of this crime the MALE and until LE (like the FF court officer) starts hauling fathers in with the mothers this is nothing but religion doing the same fucking power play it always has done on women.

It is difficult to find another idea in this world that has done as much damage to it as religion has.

[MayReasonRule]

49. I concur wholeheartedly

May reason rule where delusion dwells.

[Effete Snob]

76. By Using The Fourth Amendment

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/12/1117092169/nebraska-cops-used-facebook-messages-to-investigate-an-alleged-illegal-abortion

Police in Norfolk, Neb., had been investigating the woman, Jessica Burgess, and her daughter, Celeste Burgess, for allegedly mishandling the fetal remains of what they'd told police was Celeste's stillbirth in late April. They faced charges of concealing a death and disposing of human remains illegally.

But in mid-June, police also sent a warrant to Facebook requesting the Burgess' private messages. Authorities say those conversations showed the pregnancy had been aborted, not miscarried as the two had said.

[inthewind21]

124. So

I have a question. How did you feel about the FBI getting their hands on FB/Instagram/TIC TOC/ Twitter messages and posts of the J6 stormers and using those as evidence for prosecution? So if a mom and daughter are discussing committing a crime using social media it should be protected? Is that for EVERYONE (if so the J, stormers would like you to join MTG protesting the violation of their privacy) or only instances you agree with?

[inthewind21]

125. "this poor girl probably did not even know there were other options"

Seriously? This was BEFORE the SC gutted ROE.

[dchill]

50. God did!

[orleans]

52. she was in the 28th week of pregnancy; third trimester

and plead guilty to illegally concealing human remains

[Irish_Dem]

67. For god's sake, women have been hiding dead fetuses since caveman times.

[Pacifist Patriot]

70. There are a lot of things done since caveman times that aren't morally or ethically acceptable now.

Infanticide by exposure was routinely practiced in the ancient world. Should we start that up again?

[Irish_Dem]

73. There are not enough jails in the world to jail every woman who has

hidden a dead fetus. I remember what it was like before abortions were legal.
It was mind blowing.

[inthewind21]

113. A bit

over the top. And guess what, it's against the law to "personally handle" a corpse. Period. How many people have burned grandma in the back yard after she dies? And don't say, that's different. It's not.

[Irish_Dem]

74. If it is such an earth shattering moral issue why aren't males being jailed?

It takes two to tango.

Why do the men get off Scott free and the women go to jail?

How moral is that?

[Pacifist Patriot]

86. I never said it was.

[inthewind21]

121. Pretty sure

in this case the male isn't the one who burned a dead baby. I'm going to go out on a limb and say if the father were involved, he would be arrested too. It's clear you aren't fond of males. I will agree there should be shared responsibility for a child. But to call for the father of a baby to be jailed too when you have no idea if the father even knew of the pregnancy let alone helped "get rid" of it. And since there was an investigation, and the mom and the girl were busted but don't appear to be claiming there was a male involved, I have to assume they were they only ones involved until some facts present that say otherwise. Unless now you'd want to try and convince me that the investigators are just protecting the male.

[orleans]

79. oh thanks for sharing

[iluvtennis]

54. Disgusting and doubling disgusting with the office smiling. This has to stop.

[Quixote1818]

61. K and R

[snowybirdie]

64. Please read facts

I'm a very strong supporter of abortion rights. However, this young woman aborted a 30 week fetus. That is well beyond the acceptable timing of previous abortions. I have twin grandsons who survived after early birth at 29 weeks. We are thankful.
This woman waited too long and paid a price for burying and digging up a dead child. Not for an abortion. These types of aberrational stories give the other side ammunition to fight us.

[Irish_Dem]

69. Men are half the pregnancy equation. Why aren't they going to jail too?

Nope, men get congratulated for being "real men" while the pregnant women goes to jail.

[Effete Snob]

71. This case has been discussed multiple times on DU

This would have been an illegal medical procedure pre-Dobbs.

[Warpy]

72. So they wanted her to hold a funeral or what?

The girl is lucky in a way, the charge could be manslaughter since 24 weeks is considered the age of viability. I suppose without an intact fetus/induced birth to autopsy, they couldn't determine if it had been born alive and had taken a breath or not. My best guess says not.

Meanwhile, the man who did it to her skates away without consequences, undoubtedly impregnating other young women because he doesn't like condoms.

In any case, the way the evidence was obtained is a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment unless those cops had a warrant to do so.

Fucking men and their religions: male gods, male officiants, lots of insane rules aimed at controlling womens' bodies.

[Effete Snob]

75. "a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment unless those cops had a warrant"

Well, yes, and the prosecution was a clear violation of what her rights would have been under Roe unless it wasn't.

Which... it wasn't.

Pretty sure any defense attorney, even a public defender, would have wanted to see the warrant issued to Facebook, which has an entire department that does nothing but subpoena and warrant compliance all day.

But why make accusations like that, when it takes about five seconds to find the answer:

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/12/1117092169/nebraska-cops-used-facebook-messages-to-investigate-an-alleged-illegal-abortion

Police in Norfolk, Neb., had been investigating the woman, Jessica Burgess, and her daughter, Celeste Burgess, for allegedly mishandling the fetal remains of what they'd told police was Celeste's stillbirth in late April. They faced charges of concealing a death and disposing of human remains illegally.

But in mid-June, police also sent a warrant to Facebook requesting the Burgess' private messages. Authorities say those conversations showed the pregnancy had been aborted, not miscarried as the two had said.

[Warpy]

83. Actually, it did violate Roe

because it was so late. The cutoff for viability is 24 weeks and she was supposedly 28 weeks pregnant. That means the fetus could have survived outside her body and that, I suppose, is why they're all so upset over it.

After 24 weeks, a physician assisted delivery of any type, and some are induced with mifepristone, is considered a premature birth and all efforts are made to preserve the life of any who draw breath.

Roe was very clear on a pre viability cutoff period for routine abortion. After viability, the state had a vested interest in preserving the lives of both the mother and the fetus.

[Effete Snob]

93. "unless it wasn't"

I was echoing the grammatic structure of the comment to which I was replying.

[Bluethroughu]

78. This is just the beginning of the Riech wing oppression of women!

It's disturbing, disgusting, and get ready for these slobs, are going to make our lives a living HELL.

[B.See]

90. EXACTLY

[Kaleva]

128. Her actions were illegal when Roe v. Wade was in effect

[NickB79]

85. She aborted an apparently healthy fetus in the 3rd trimester

If it had been delivered in a hospital, there would have been a good chance it would have survived.

And, the state law she was charged under was in effect pre-Dobbs, when Roe was still law. If Roe was still law today, she'd have faced the same charges.

I'd wager that a majority of Americans today, if polled, would agree with this verdict. Including a sizeable number of Democrats.

[maxsolomon]

96. Simply amazing the knee-jerk reactions to this story.

Few posting in reaction are reading the salient details. 29 weeks. 3rd trimester.

It's been the same every time this story has been in GD, and I think this may be the 4th OP about it.

[Bluethroughu]

153. Pregnancy is 40+ weeks...

Some people can get there and not know how far along they are, or that they were even pregnant.

Would I get an Abortion, I don't know, but all of this "people knee-jerk reaction" talk is just that. You don't know what her circumstances are, who's the father? What the factors are that she didn't want to bring that pregnancy to term.

If we start deciding it's okay who's a good girl and who's the bad girl, were doomed.

[maxsolomon]

177. It was illegal in the state prior to Dobbs being overturned. It's illegal in most states.

Third trimester is considered viability. She was convicted of illegally disposing of the body, not the abortion itself.

The knee-jerk reactions are from people who did not bother to read the details.

[Bluethroughu]

178. Abortion being illegal gives the State ownership of the woman's uterus.

Medical services are between a person and their physician.

When does the man go to prison for getting a women pregnant without a contract to do so?

Yes, I'm a woman with two children, married for almost 30 years, and have never had an abortion, BUT if I had a pregnancy I didn't want, then I should be able to end it! It's my body! Giving birth is the hardest thing I've ever had to do after raising my children.

No one should have to put their body and mind through it unless they want to.

Just because a group of men and I'm including Coney-Barrett, because she is subservient to her husband and religion, OVERTURNED LAW for their benefactors does not make it right.

[maxsolomon]

179. You want abortion legal until the day of birth?

You want a law that says it is a crime to impregnate a woman without a pre-existing contract?

Good luck with these priorities.

There was no Physician involved. The abortion was carried out with drugs outside of a clinic. This case has nothing to do with the changes to laws occuring after Dobbs.

[Bluethroughu]

181. I did not say I want... if abortion was legal and not stigmatized women wouldn't act desperately.

You say this happened when it was legal, but obviously this person was desperate, without options to seek professional help...all because the religious fascist echo machine working against women daily.

Abortion needs to be legal and without threat of harm or community shame so people can make a safe and rational choice.

Why shouldn't men be responsible for something? If they can impregnate a women, then they should provide the contraception or contract to pay.

[Abolishinist]

182. As asked above, a very straightforward question,

do you believe abortion be legal until the day of birth, yes or no.

[Bluethroughu]

183. I will tell you this...

I am not a physician.
I believe abortion is about the women's body, and should be conducted by a physician.

I'M NOT IN NEED OF AN ABORTION IN MY LIFE RIGHT NOW, but if I ever need one, I would prefer care by a doctor familiar with womens' health and procedures.

If this means that an abortion takes place at the end of term, then that is a decision that is made by a doctor and their patient. I'm sure it is not entered in lightly by either party.

If you are so worried about the babies' lives, then advocating for the poor, hungry, and homeless families would be a great place to start.

[Abolishinist]

184. First of all, she was not having any health problems, nor did

she seek advice from a physician. She decided to end her pregnancy on her own, and it's even possible the 'baby' was alive outside of her womb for a time. And as she is the one in the relationship with the ability to conceive, perhaps SHE should have insisted that her 'partner' wear a condom.

But at least, after texting her mother "Remember, we burn the evidence", several minutes later she said "I will finally be able to wear jeans".

And as far as your non-sequitur regarding babies' lives and advocating for the poor, hungry, and homeless, we've been giving for years. A week ago we sent $1,000 to our local Jacobs and Cushman Food Bank, and earlier in the month $500 to Doctors Without Borders along with $1,000 to PETA (we like animals as well).

[Bluethroughu]

185. Thanks for supporting great causes.

I support patients and Dr's having privacy to make a sound medical decision. As far as Her having to convince a man to use protection, maybe the MAN wouldn't. Maybe, we don't know her circumstances.

Like I said before, if access and unstigmatized womens' healthcare was easily available, we'd have less bad decisions and better outcomes for all involved.

[Sympthsical]

98. Yeah, I didn't know the details of this story

Saw headlines and posts floating around and thought, "That's some shit. What post-Dobbs hell is this?"

Then I actually read the story.

Welp. That was nowhere near what was advertised.

[Pacifist Patriot]

101. I agree.

I'm also a little taken aback by some folks doubling down on it even with this pointed out to them.

[inthewind21]

114. Anyone

unclear how the country got to where it is now? Thread after thread of smack talking MAGA for being dumb as a box of rocks and only believing headlines and mis-information. Then Wa-La, same thing. Outrage over a headline without bothering to get the actual facts.

[stopdiggin]

133. +1. people hate it when I point to the 'mirror image'

we seem more than eager to recreate over here on 'this' side of the aisle.

Short on facts? No matter. 'Furious' anyway. Because - something!

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[Sympthsical]

159. My favorite this week by far

Outrage over a movie. Outrage over a country song. Like just on and on going on two weeks for the movie and a full week for the song. I do not care, but the amount of ink being spilled. Squid should be out protesting.

And then.

"Look at those stupid idiots mad about Barbie!"

It's like . . . are we vampires? Are there no mirrors in the house? Should I conceal the family silver?

I just don't understand why self-awareness is not a thing in so many adults. How is it that bad?

[stopdiggin]

161. it's absolute knee-jerk tribalism

and I have no idea why we have so much trouble 'seeing' our own behavior (and prejudices) ....

[Abolishinist]

173. I notice that most who disagree with the outcome,

for some reason aren't willing/able to enter into a rational discussion about the case.

Thanks to you, those in this sub-thread, and others who pointed this out, unfortunately to no avail.

Instead, the court officer, only doing his job, is referred to as a big fat smug white man, others believe the one who impregnated her should go to jail as well, that this would be a great campaign ad for Dems (I can't wait to see how THAT would turn out), etc. etc.

[Phoenix1960]

88. Scared

I have done research. Nazi germany Pinochet Mussolini narcissism etc. We are descending rapidly into facism

[inthewind21]

116. May

I suggest you do a little more research and read the whole story before you go tossing around Nazi Germany and Mussolini.

[mzmolly]

92. My god

WTF?

[wendyb-NC]

97. This is beyond words

These laws are cruel and inhumane.

[Hortensis]

106. She illegally aborted in the THIRD trimester when her baby was viable. THEN

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she illegally disposed of the body.

Over most of the planet, she'd be arrested, and that includes most advanced European nations, most of which have more restrictive abortion laws than Roe was. In NY she got 90 days, not for ending the new, completely helpless life after viability, but for burning his or her tiny body.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Yeah, tell THAT to tRump. We'll never know how many late abortions he paid for, and perhaps coerced.

[wendyb-NC]

135. I was drawn in by the headline

I will try to verify in the future, by getting the whole story, not just react to the Headlines. This is a very different situation. It stands to reason that she was charged and spent time in jail.

When I read it, I assumed she was less than 12 weeks pregnant, when medication abortions are used. The idea of throwing a person in jail for a 12 week abortion, is outrageous, in its cruelty.

Thank you, for pointing out the truth.

[Hortensis]

137. Me too, and agree. Then realized we'd seen this story before.

Most people on that thread were not at all sympathetic to her/their illegally aborting a viable fetus/baby long after it would also have been illegal under Roe.

[Glaisne]

102. For many people in this country

it's already the theocratic / fascist states of America.

[Farmer-Rick]

103. Hmm, the rigid, inflexible damnation of all abortion

With Draconian abusive laws used to enforce such religious beliefs, maybe a cause of this kind of behavior.

First, it keeps scared pregnant girls afraid of finding out for sure if they are pregnant for fear of draconian and abusive consequences. This prevents many young girls from preparing to leave forced birth states or take action to prevent the unwanted birth.

Second, once facing the fact of their pregnancy, and doing research, the women realize a lot more resources and help will be required to prevent this birth. More resources and help than most young women have in reality and would not be required if not for these forced birth laws.

Third, these forced birth laws ensure all actions to end the pregnancy must be hidden and done in secret just like in the 1950s and further delays taking action to prevent a birth.

So more and more girls will be having later and later abortions thanks to forced birth laws. It won't ever, ever stop women from getting abortions but it will make life miserable for women and children in red states.

At 28 weeks, this fetus had a 80 percent chance of living but only about a 10 percent chance of ever being healthy. We can partially blame the forced birth religious zealots, for turning dogma into law, for these consequences.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

107. privacy violation ???????

F, big brother for sure


Could have been my daughter and my mother was born in fremont, that just sucks and thanks Supreme court, you entitled assholes

[yankee87]

110. Next up Ohio

Trying to do this in Ohio. I’m a father, grandfather and husband and I couldn’t be more pissed off and willing to help any way I can.

[Emile]

111. Fascists have no shame!

[Kaleva]

129. Her actions weren't legal when Roe v. Wade was in effect

[Skittles]

134. "private FB messages"

come on people, don't be that naive

[NowISeetheLight]

136. No Such Thing

Anything on the internet isn't really private. Unless you are using TOR and a complete fake identity it's all traceable.

[Skittles]

140. well certainly FACEBOOK knows what they're typing

and who the FUCK trusts FACEBOOK?

[niyad]

138. May all involved receive everything they deserve.

[JanMichael]

143. Fascists.

[Timeflyer]

152. This gut-punch should be our national women's wake up call.

[617Blue]

154. Where are the "Libertarians"?

Crickets...

[KarenS]

155. Libertarians don't care until

it affects them directly. Then they do what they want to do because the rules aren't for them.

[617Blue]

156. They care about "political correctness"

they want to be able to smoke in restaurants and refer to people by whatever disparaging labels they choose.

Actual authoritarianism doesn't bother them. Not a peep about fundamentalist "Christians" shoving their warped an insane worldview down everyone's throats.

[orangecrush]

157. Apparently the cops read the messages

And THEN GOT A WARRANT SO THEY COULD USE THEM AS EVIDENCE.

What Judge Bozo approved this?

So apparently Facebooks algorithm uses "abortion" and "miscarriage" as alert trigger words, and then hands messages over to LE without a warrant?

WTAFF?

[GoodRaisin]

160. This image should be used in campaigns across the country against all Republicans.

“Is this what the people really want?” Terrorizing women and girls with prison? People, this is a party of assholes - trying to turn the United States into a shithole country.

Fuck this party of assholes and their religious bullshit they are trying to push down our throats.

[brooklynite]

167. A (likely Unionized) Court Officer? Of which you know nothing about his political leanings?

[GoodRaisin]

169. It has nothing to do with the court officer. He's just doing his job.

It’s about the law makers. Hopefully most people who look at this picture are smart enough to discern what that image is about.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

172. Yes

The pic speaks for itself.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

170. Our homegrown Taliban

But it's the Ayrabs who scare the right

[Eliot Rosewater]

171. They want to decide who you Women have sex with and many of them want you dead if

you disobey.

Some of us said this YEARS ago but people fucked around anyway in 2016.

[akbacchus_BC]

176. This is so sad. Look at the terror on that child's face. What the eff is going on in the US?

It is so sad and ugly to see how quickly the US is regressing under rethuglicans. Poor baby, my heart goes out to you and all the other babies who are victims of thugs.