Do you really believe Trump will be tried on the documents case next May?

[Cyrano]

C'mon. He's a master of delay. There's no real reason the trial on stolen government documents shouldn't start this coming December. But this Trump-appointed judge has decided on May.

That's six months before the 2024 election.

Raise your hand if you think this trial will actually come to be in May.

My guess is that, about the end of next April, Trump will experience some kind of "medical problem" that will require him to be hospitalized for "tests." How long before the results of these "tests" are known? Oh, at least two months. Which will take us to June or July. At which point the doctors will declare that he needs rest and that he shouldn't be put under the stress of a trial.

You see where this is going.

Expect the same kind of crap with any other trial dates that are set.

The slimy prick is an expert at this. The judge in this particular case is in his pocket.

And Jack Smith should be seeking relief from a higher court to put an end to this crap. Hopefully, he's doing it right now.

[jimfields33]

1. Nope!

“And Jack Smith should be seeking relief from a higher court to put an end to this crap. Hopefully, he's doing it right now.”


Unless Jack wants his trial delay revoked, he won’t do anything. You can’t ask for a delay and then be mad when someone else does too.

[Effete Snob]

15. An end to what crap?

No higher court is going to bother addressing someone's objection to a scheduling order. Trial courts run their calendars, and there is utterly no legal argument that requires proceeding on some different date than the one set.

[jimfields33]

24. You'll have to ask the OP on your question.

[Effete Snob]

32. ah, replied in the wrong spot

[sarcasmo]

2. No. The rocket docket has fizzled.

[onenote]

33. The rocket docket isn't what a lot of folks think it is.

For the year ending March 31, 2023, the median length of time in felony cases in the Southern District from date of indictment to disposition, was nine months. And that includes a lot of very simple cases with a single defendant and one or two counts. It also may include cases resolved by plea bargains after indictment So, even in the "rocket docket" there are a lot of cases that take more than nine months.

[Meadowoak]

3. He won't live that long. He's under an enormous amount of stress

Being held accountable for the first time in his life. He's 100 lbs overweight. A walking heart attack

[NJCher]

4. If he has a medical emergency

He will not be able
to seek the presidency.

[Cyrano]

6. It will be a "special" type of diagnosis that will

let him withstand the campaign, but won't allow him to stand the stress of a trial. Surely you've heard of those.

[NJCher]

11. The point is

He has a massive number of strikes against him. Regardless of how special it is, thete comes a time when the fruitlessness of it all becomes apparent, even to the dimmest among us.

[Cyrano]

13. Well, back in the 2016 election, I thought the "dimmest among us" would "get it."

They didn't, and here we are with the deadly danger of this beast, once again winning/stealing the White House. And if he succeeds, there won't be any more elections in our lifetimes.

[NJCher]

29. anecdotal

that's fine, but it only says the opinion of one person.

If you look at attitudinal studies, they show that people will be highy dubious about voting for someone in such a tenuous position.

I don't care about the votes of the dimmest, anyway. We don't need them. As you well know, we only need the independent voters and we need the Democratic vote to stay whole, not split with a Joe Manchin. That should be our focus.

[Meadowoak]

20. Hopefully he'll be dead.

[Johonny]

5. I expect his lawyers to use the time to negotiate a plea deal

[Cyrano]

7. Never. He'll die before he'll make any deal.

[Johonny]

10. I expect his lawyers to do what is in their clients best interest

If he takes the deal . . . that's on him.

[CousinIT]

8. NO. n/t

[RockRaven]

9. There will be more delays. There always are with TFG.

The problem is that the current schedule is rather reasonable (according to Nat sec law pundits I have found to be reliable, anyway), so the idea that the SC will seek and gain a faster schedule is not likely, IMO. Going through CIPA process for 31 separate documents is a huge time sink.

[onenote]

34. Correct.

[Effete Snob]

12. No

[Walleye]

14. As Yogi Berra said, it's hard to make predictions

Especially about the future

[Cyrano]

16. Yogi also said, "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."

Trump has the ability of always ensuring that he's picked the "correct" one.

He's found and exploited every loophole in human interactions.

[demosincebirth]

17. Nope. He will never pay for his crimes!

[Cyrano]

18. Agreed. It will be up to history to expose the immense depth of his evil,

not to mention the depth of ignorance, stupidity and evil that exists among those who "elected" him.

[Elessar Zappa]

27. Nah, he'll be found guilty

in at least one of his trials. He’ll face justice. People here were swearing up and down that he’d never be indicted, now that he has three times people are still bitching.

[Elessar Zappa]

26. He'll eventually go to trial

and be found guilty, likely in several of the cases. He’ll face justice, he can’t delay forever.

[Retrograde]

19. IANAL - does he actually have to show up in person?

I know in civil cases a defendant doesn't need to be present, at least Donnie wasn't there in New York for the last trial. Does the same rule apply in criminal cases? In Federal criminal cases?

The pandemic taught us that a lot can be done remotely. If he's sick, or recuperating, why can't Donnie appear via Zoom or similar? And how does a court know if he's actually sick or just malingering - does he need a doctor's note, like many workers do if they miss work?

[Tommy Carcetti]

21. Honestly, delaying doesn't help him like he think it would. It's the Sword of Damocles.

And any voters who aren't Republicans or hardcore conservatives aren't going to be keen on voting for a candidate whose under a felony indictment, even if he hasn't gone to trial yet.

Put it this way: If a candidate is diagnosed with a serious form of cancer, a lot of voters would take pause in voting for that candidate (even though in that case, it's no fault of the candidate him/herself).

So why is being under indictment any different?

This will destroy trump in terms of independents and moderates, mark my word.

[Retrograde]

22. IMHO, Cannon isn't experienced enough to know

that she's being manipulated (I'm in a charitable mood today and I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt): she may have thought she was being fair to both parties by setting a date early-ish next year, not realizing that Donnie will do anything to squirm out of it.

[prodigitalson]

23. no...

however I do think he will be tried in GA state court or a DC federal court by then

Cannon will protect him. It is what she is there for.

[Initech]

25. No, conservatives are Lucy pulling the football from Charlie Brown at this point.

[leftieNanner]

28. No, but

I think the J6 trial in DC will happen before the documents trial. And maybe the one in Georgia.

[onenote]

35. I wouldn't bet on it. The DC federal district court is not a fast moving body

For the year ending March 31, 2023, the median length of time from indictment to disposition of felony cases by the US District Court for the District of Columbia was 18.8 months. And that's the median.

[Lonestarblue]

30. No. He and Cannon will find other excuses to delay.

And the DOJ may invoke their rule about not doing anything that could interfere with an election. The goal for all trials will be delay, delay, delay. If Trump, or any Republican, wins in 2024 (or more likely wins through Republican vote manipulation for the Electoral College), all federal cases will be moot. Whether he is found guilty in Georgia remains to be seen, but that trial also could be delayed indefinitely using the excuse that Trump has too much to do with federal cases and campaigning to be tried in Georgia.

[MOMFUDSKI]

31. Cannon is as deeply

in tfg’s pocket as is possible at the moment