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Does anyone other than me think that this should be investigated? I will probably be criticized for asking that question.
The Saudi government didn't recommend giving 2 billion dollars to Jared Kushner, MBS made the call, the Saudi financial people recommended against it.
WTF is this Affinity Partners of Jared's? It certainly does not appear to me to be an investment company, does not appear to be a private equity firm at all. Affinity Partners appears to be an influence peddling company and it advertises that is has "inside contacts." Does that mean if Donald Trump becomes president again? Can some of that 2 billion dollars be secretly funneled into Trump's campaign?
So has MBS had a return yet on his "investment?" What exactly is Affinity Partners investing in, does anyone know? Does anyone care?
Jared seems to be well liked by middle eastern countries, even Qatar had to bail him out of his 666 property, must be nice.
Walleye
(44,805 posts)The way the magas tell it, its that these are such big important businessman, the Trumps, that they should be allowed to do it, the Bidens are just commoners.
Easterncedar
(6,267 posts)Lets get Eric Prince in there, too.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,234 posts)No, it couldnt legally be diverted to Trumps campaign (and I doubt it would since Jarvanka are on the outs with The Defendant right now).
Yes, they should be investigated/audited.
gab13by13
(32,321 posts)Putin? Orban? Xi? Kim?
Seriously, who has it attracted? What has Jared invested in?
So you believe that Affinity Partners is a private equity firm then?
I didn't say the 2 billion could be legally diverted to Trump's campaign.
Are Jarvanka really on the outs, or are they just keeping their distance?
Farmer-Rick
(12,667 posts)Such a scam.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,234 posts)Dulcinea
(10,088 posts)...he'd be selling insurance in Queens for 40K/year.
Diraven
(1,898 posts)All they have to do is use that money to buy up properties from the Trump Organization and call them "investments".
Irish_Dem
(81,266 posts)2naSalit
(102,792 posts)That is the highest level of their comprehension after all. Anything more complex is way beyond them anyway.
Irish_Dem
(81,266 posts)I would rather watch nude videos of very handsome male Democrats than listen to the GOP
lies and nonsense.
2naSalit
(102,792 posts)It's the context that makes it so awful.
Irish_Dem
(81,266 posts)The porn wasn't disgusting, it was her slobbering over a handsome male Dem that was disgusting.
Dammit Marge, keep your hands off our men.
617Blue
(2,472 posts)that little incompetent pissant pretending to be some kind of diplomat, feathering his own nest. Not to mention the way he handled medical resources during covid.
Irish_Dem
(81,266 posts)He immediately monetized everything in sight.
He was the bag man for Trump.
617Blue
(2,472 posts)if I ever saw that f er being led out of a court room in cuffs.
Irish_Dem
(81,266 posts)There wouldn't be enough 12 step programs to treat all of us celebrating him in cuffs.
Attilatheblond
(8,877 posts)Just looking at actuaries + basic lack of morals x the fact that Jared acts in the shadows.
Irish_Dem
(81,266 posts)Enjoy his beach house and chill.
And hope he doesn't go to jail one day.
Who did he sell our masks to when our medical people had nothing to protect them?
Just for that he should be in a cell till he dies.
CrispyQ
(40,969 posts)What 3rd grader doesn't understand contagious disease?
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)in what jurisdiction are you proposing the investigation should be conducted and on what grounds?
Knowing your sentiments, you are probably suggesting it is DOJ's job, and Garland is avoiding the subject for some ulterior motives, out of incompetence or out of his overarching desire to "not rock the boat".
Influence peddling is permitted by law, under the first amendment's "petition of government" clause. Suspicion of influence peddling is not sufficient grounfs to begin an investigation in the US. If you are proposing an investigation by a US body, what do you propose would be sufficient grounds to satisfy the standards set by DOJ and the law? If possible, please refer to the statutes that would justify your proposal.
gab13by13
(32,321 posts)who I feel could be doing more, the Senate. Last I checked Democrats control the Senate and it has committees just like the House to do investigations.
Sufficient grounds to investigate influence peddling would be what is going on at the Supreme Court, mainly involving Clarence Thomas. There certainly are grounds for DOJ to investigate the Supreme Court even though it may appear to be partisan. So no, I don't expect DOJ to investigate Jared if it won't investigate Clarence.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)an investigation that may involve the Supreme Court, an investigation that, in your view, is justified by actions explicitly permitted by the US Constitution.
That's an exceedingly ambitious proposal! I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for anyone in the Senate to jump on it.
On edit: The Senate Judiciary Committee will be the body to look into the matter the way you are proposing it. The Chair of the committee calls all meetings. This Judiciary Committee rule may be of consequence:
A call, a motion, a likely debate and a vote are all necessary to even begin the investigation.
Bev54
(13,431 posts)money wire fraud and Trump. The problem is, how do you prove it? Without some wire taps or digital correspondence, it will be difficult as they have disguised the payment as an investment into a wealth management fund. The Saudis are smarter than Trump and Kushner so it may be difficult.
IbogaProject
(5,913 posts)That would be a crime. Also money laundering. If the any of the source, ownership and/or purpose are misrepresented than that is a serious crime in and of itself.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)you would have to act on behalf of a foreign government. To be a money launderer, you would have to make illegal financial transaction. So far, I didn't see direct evidence for either.
To find misrepresentation of ownership, source of income or purpose, an audit of Kushner's fund will have to be conducted, and evidence of any of the above found, and "reasonable cause" (legal lingo) for an accusation established. This will have to be done by the IRS or the governing body his business is licensed under. Even then, depending on how his investment fund was initially organized, Kushner himself may not incur any liability. He has a lot of lawyers on his payroll to make sure his ass is covered.
spanone
(141,609 posts)rubbersole
(11,223 posts)Probably cost the American taxpayers tens of billions to get what jared had access to. He is a sleazy POS.
Artcatt
(344 posts)Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)n/t
LudwigPastorius
(14,725 posts)Sorry, I couldn't type that with a straight face.
malaise
(296,101 posts)Hunter Biden's dick pics
mahina
(20,645 posts)Jared Kushner 2 billion dollars?
malaise
(296,101 posts)But we wont hear it from these goons
calimary
(90,020 posts)That's ALL they've got that even comes semi-close.
That's ALL they've got. And it isn't even that good.
If there were any skeletons in Joe Biden's closet, they'd have been found, and exploited to the skies, by now. They've got nothing.
Wicked Blue
(8,867 posts)Sic the IRS on him.
Bev54
(13,431 posts)I might add that Jared has no experience or the qualifications to run such a company so while it was put in as an investment, you could consider it a gift and no doubt a loss to them but it is disguised.
KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)It's not his income, the money belongs to the Saudi's and they expect to get it back plus interest.
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)For anything they did before 1/2021. The doj knows if they do, and won't bother to either investigate them or prosecute them.
So the only opportunity would be crimes after the pardons were written. Which will be tough.
All the pices fit through this lens. At least from the doj.
Why the senate isn't looking at tfg international corruption is another issue. To a certain extent, tfg is innoculating himself with the whole burisma crap. But that can be overcome. There is just no desire.
There doesn't seem to be much of a desire in the senate to do much of anything except keep the senate running as it always has. Democracy can fend for itself. Every man or woman for themselves.
Bev54
(13,431 posts)getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)Lots of articles discussing it from different angles. The only way to know for sure is to charge someone who has one and force them to produce it.
But here is one article discussing it. There are many.
https://time.com/6188793/trump-pardons-jan-6-explainer/
thesquanderer
(13,006 posts)getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)The princess, Jared, junior, and eric.......
thesquanderer
(13,006 posts)Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)Of course it should be investigated! It's an outrage that it hasn't been!
Joinfortmill
(21,163 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)If Jared had not landed a White House job after failing his security clearance test would MSB be interested in him? Not a chance, that was just the thing to prove he was corruptible.
FakeNoose
(41,633 posts)For example, this shady merger between the PGA and the LIV, Saudi's golf league. What's going on there and what did Chump and Kushner have to do with it? I'll bet they had EVERYTHING to do with it, at least in the backroom dealings.
How much of that $2 billion was split between Chump and Kushner? There's a lot we don't know. Is Kushner solvent enough to pay back that "loan"?
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)It's a deposit with Kushner's investment firm. The Saudi's expect to make money off of Jared and all his newfound connections.
OneGrassRoot
(23,953 posts)if the GOP is going to continue hammering on Hunter Biden, the Dems should not resist it, but demand that Jared and Ivankas actions are investigated as well.
BRING IT.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)They don't need to demand it. Just do it.
NoMoreRepugs
(12,076 posts)insurrectionists arrested, the pursuit of all things Trump and every other case they are pursuing. The last few years must be among the most hectic in their history I would imagine.
BlueIn_W_Pa
(842 posts)then the $2000 million just one jr Trump received should be a big deal too.
I mean, both only got the money because of their influence with dad - that's it.
Calista241
(5,633 posts)usually in real estate, but not always. It was his career before Trump asked him to join the White House. That being the case, this transaction isn't really notable. Yes it was a large amount of money, but the Saudi's have been throwing their money around for the last decade or so.
I mean, they founded LIV golf, and paid more than what Jared got investment was. They're also building this crazy trillion dollar mirror city in SA.
Unless someone can prove there's some kind of quid pro quo, or some other kind of illegal activity going on, then any investigation is going to be SOL. Maybe the Saudi's gave it to him because they hate Biden, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the motivation for MBS. But that doesn't make it illegal or worthy of investigation.
And I have to wonder how many Senators and Congresspersons children or grandchildren are working on boards of companies, or have jobs or investment firms they're not really qualified for.
stopdiggin
(15,463 posts)quite liberally - for all sorts of reasons, with influence and favor certainly being among the. (which makes them extremely similar to other countries - AND sources of large wealth) That any of this is per-se illegal - is the crux of the issue. And so far ... We have approximately zippo. By all means 'investigate', but ... Until then a little less with the frothy and fervid speculation?
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stopdiggin
(15,463 posts)(perhaps by people with real ability and tools- and perhaps authority?) - as to endure baseless claims of certain knowledge by Facebook warriors ...
of course that won't stop them, it never does - "Ginni Thomas rented buses .. " - but at least the rest of us would have the luxury of scrolling past the nonsense.
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thesquanderer
(13,006 posts)...he'd probably manage to find a way to nail Jared Kushner.
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)in key areas, to keep the fact hidden that the properties will be owned by SA after the sale.
Attilatheblond
(8,877 posts)halobeam
(5,096 posts)God I hate these people.
nuxvomica
(14,092 posts)And maybe that investigation was used to leverage cooperation from Kushner and others into providing evidence against Trump. If that is what has happened, you probably wouldn't hear much about it.
IcyPeas
(25,475 posts)Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)Jean Genie
(544 posts)Anybody think Jared and Bone Saw ought to be investigated?
I do! But it won't happen! So what else is new?
Onward to Barbie movie pearl-clutching.
And Hunter Biden's penis.
The really important stuff!