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gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 09:08 AM Jul 2023

About That 2 Billion Dollars Prince Bone Saw Gave To Jared

Does anyone other than me think that this should be investigated? I will probably be criticized for asking that question.

The Saudi government didn't recommend giving 2 billion dollars to Jared Kushner, MBS made the call, the Saudi financial people recommended against it.

WTF is this Affinity Partners of Jared's? It certainly does not appear to me to be an investment company, does not appear to be a private equity firm at all. Affinity Partners appears to be an influence peddling company and it advertises that is has "inside contacts." Does that mean if Donald Trump becomes president again? Can some of that 2 billion dollars be secretly funneled into Trump's campaign?

So has MBS had a return yet on his "investment?" What exactly is Affinity Partners investing in, does anyone know? Does anyone care?

Jared seems to be well liked by middle eastern countries, even Qatar had to bail him out of his 666 property, must be nice.

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About That 2 Billion Dollars Prince Bone Saw Gave To Jared (Original Post) gab13by13 Jul 2023 OP
Of course it should be investigated, but I'm not holding my breath Walleye Jul 2023 #1
It stinks to high heaven Easterncedar Jul 2023 #2
The 2 billion was start up capital to attract investors to Jared's company Fiendish Thingy Jul 2023 #3
So who has it attracted, gab13by13 Jul 2023 #5
So, he has no other investors? Farmer-Rick Jul 2023 #18
All good questions that could be answered by an audit or investigation. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2023 #21
If Jared hadn't been born into money... Dulcinea Jul 2023 #67
It could be diverted to Trump's bank accounts though Diraven Jul 2023 #68
The GOP would much rather watch nude videos of Democrats. :( Irish_Dem Jul 2023 #4
To be fair... 2naSalit Jul 2023 #6
To be fair... Irish_Dem Jul 2023 #11
I'm with you on that... 2naSalit Jul 2023 #26
MTG showing Dem porn was so disgusting. Irish_Dem Jul 2023 #32
I'd rather see Kushner behind bars than Trump 617Blue Jul 2023 #7
Kushner right away saw the grifting potential for Trump pretending to be a politician. Irish_Dem Jul 2023 #13
I'd break my sobriety 617Blue Jul 2023 #15
I guess it is a good thing his wealthy privilege will get him off the hook. Irish_Dem Jul 2023 #17
Jared has longer life expectancy at this point, so he's a bigger threat in the long run Attilatheblond Jul 2023 #58
Jared has made $Billions. If he was smart he would stop his crimes. Irish_Dem Jul 2023 #60
Right? mahina Jul 2023 #47
And telling Trump not to worry when Covid first hit the US cuz it was only in blue states. CrispyQ Jul 2023 #57
It is an investigation worthy event, but Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #8
Actually I have someone else in mind gab13by13 Jul 2023 #9
In short, you are proposing the Senate to investigate an international transaction, Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #14
I am not convinced it is not being investigated by DOJ along with their investigation into Bev54 Jul 2023 #28
Being an unregistered foreign agent IbogaProject Jul 2023 #36
To be a foreign agent, Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #51
A fair price for nuclear secrets spanone Jul 2023 #10
A bargain at twice the price. rubbersole Jul 2023 #45
$2B in exchange for precisely what? Artcatt Jul 2023 #12
In exchange for more than $2B later Zeitghost Jul 2023 #19
...in exchange for Jared Kushner's amazing investment acumen. LudwigPastorius Jul 2023 #64
But but but malaise Jul 2023 #16
What I want to know about Hunter Biden is why did the Sardis give mahina Jul 2023 #46
Same here malaise Jul 2023 #48
That's how pathetic the Biden haters & critics are. Hunter's all they've got. calimary Jul 2023 #55
Yep malaise Jul 2023 #56
Did JK pay TAXES on the money? Wicked Blue Jul 2023 #20
It was not a gift, it was an investment into his new wealth fund company Bev54 Jul 2023 #23
Spot on KS Toronado Jul 2023 #30
Why would he pay taxes on it Zeitghost Jul 2023 #62
The royal family likely has pocket pardons and can't be touched... getagrip_already Jul 2023 #22
So you came up with this on your own? of do you have sources with some evidence? Bev54 Jul 2023 #24
I'm not the only one.... getagrip_already Jul 2023 #35
The royal family does not need U.S. pardons. Nor are they committing a crime by giving anyone money. thesquanderer Jul 2023 #39
I meant the tfg royal family.... getagrip_already Jul 2023 #49
Ah! lol n/t thesquanderer Jul 2023 #50
Why would you be criticized for asking that question? Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #25
My guess is Jared is being squeezed to turn on Trump. Joinfortmill Jul 2023 #27
Ask Yourself BlueIdaho Jul 2023 #29
It's a business "loan" but what we need to know is what ELSE was promised FakeNoose Jul 2023 #31
It's not a loan Zeitghost Jul 2023 #63
I was thinking about this yesterday... OneGrassRoot Jul 2023 #33
There is nothing stopping the Senate from investigating. former9thward Jul 2023 #65
The DOJ must be operating at capacity with the thousand NoMoreRepugs Jul 2023 #34
If the supposed $17 million jr Biden got is true and is such a big deal on the right BlueIn_W_Pa Jul 2023 #37
Jared Kushner is a venture capitalist, and he's always raised money to invest in projects. Calista241 Jul 2023 #38
+1. the Saudis throw money around stopdiggin Jul 2023 #43
much rather have it investigated stopdiggin Jul 2023 #40
The only good thing about a Chris Christie presidency is... thesquanderer Jul 2023 #41
One possibility is MBS using Jared as a buyer for strategic properties in the US, like water rights Lonestarblue Jul 2023 #42
BINGO (n/t) Attilatheblond Jul 2023 #59
wow, not for bedtime reading! halobeam Jul 2023 #66
Maybe it has been investigated nuxvomica Jul 2023 #44
Steve Mnuchin got a billion from the Saudis too. What's he been up to lately? IcyPeas Jul 2023 #52
And we always forget the other $1.6 billion he got from Qatar. Scrivener7 Jul 2023 #53
What means investigated? Jean Genie Jul 2023 #54
MBS had a return before the $2 billion was given, the price for the return. IMO republianmushroom Jul 2023 #61
Investigate? Ooh! That might be seen as POLITICAL! dchill Jul 2023 #69
Besides, rich white guys get away with their shit? It's only Right. czarjak Jul 2023 #70
FAR right! dchill Jul 2023 #72
Damn, look at those Mosaic (Jared's first major deal) reviews! digsub Jul 2023 #71

Walleye

(44,805 posts)
1. Of course it should be investigated, but I'm not holding my breath
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 09:11 AM
Jul 2023

The way the magas tell it, it’s that these are such big important businessman, the Trump’s, that they should be allowed to do it, the Bidens are just commoners.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,234 posts)
3. The 2 billion was start up capital to attract investors to Jared's company
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 09:15 AM
Jul 2023

No, it couldn’t legally be diverted to Trump’s campaign (and I doubt it would since Jarvanka are on the outs with The Defendant right now).

Yes, they should be investigated/audited.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
5. So who has it attracted,
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 09:37 AM
Jul 2023

Putin? Orban? Xi? Kim?

Seriously, who has it attracted? What has Jared invested in?

So you believe that Affinity Partners is a private equity firm then?

I didn't say the 2 billion could be legally diverted to Trump's campaign.

Are Jarvanka really on the outs, or are they just keeping their distance?

Dulcinea

(10,088 posts)
67. If Jared hadn't been born into money...
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:55 PM
Jul 2023

...he'd be selling insurance in Queens for 40K/year.

Diraven

(1,898 posts)
68. It could be diverted to Trump's bank accounts though
Sun Jul 23, 2023, 02:05 AM
Jul 2023

All they have to do is use that money to buy up properties from the Trump Organization and call them "investments".

2naSalit

(102,792 posts)
6. To be fair...
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 09:43 AM
Jul 2023

That is the highest level of their comprehension after all. Anything more complex is way beyond them anyway.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
11. To be fair...
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:01 AM
Jul 2023

I would rather watch nude videos of very handsome male Democrats than listen to the GOP
lies and nonsense.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
32. MTG showing Dem porn was so disgusting.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:03 AM
Jul 2023

The porn wasn't disgusting, it was her slobbering over a handsome male Dem that was disgusting.

Dammit Marge, keep your hands off our men.

617Blue

(2,472 posts)
7. I'd rather see Kushner behind bars than Trump
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 09:44 AM
Jul 2023

that little incompetent pissant pretending to be some kind of diplomat, feathering his own nest. Not to mention the way he handled medical resources during covid.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
13. Kushner right away saw the grifting potential for Trump pretending to be a politician.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:04 AM
Jul 2023

He immediately monetized everything in sight.
He was the bag man for Trump.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
17. I guess it is a good thing his wealthy privilege will get him off the hook.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:15 AM
Jul 2023

There wouldn't be enough 12 step programs to treat all of us celebrating him in cuffs.

Attilatheblond

(8,877 posts)
58. Jared has longer life expectancy at this point, so he's a bigger threat in the long run
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 08:00 PM
Jul 2023

Just looking at actuaries + basic lack of morals x the fact that Jared acts in the shadows.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
60. Jared has made $Billions. If he was smart he would stop his crimes.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 08:42 PM
Jul 2023

Enjoy his beach house and chill.
And hope he doesn't go to jail one day.

mahina

(20,645 posts)
47. Right?
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 12:13 PM
Jul 2023

Who did he sell our masks to when our medical people had nothing to protect them?

Just for that he should be in a cell till he dies.

CrispyQ

(40,969 posts)
57. And telling Trump not to worry when Covid first hit the US cuz it was only in blue states.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 06:36 PM
Jul 2023


What 3rd grader doesn't understand contagious disease?
 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
8. It is an investigation worthy event, but
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 09:45 AM
Jul 2023

in what jurisdiction are you proposing the investigation should be conducted and on what grounds?

Knowing your sentiments, you are probably suggesting it is DOJ's job, and Garland is avoiding the subject for some ulterior motives, out of incompetence or out of his overarching desire to "not rock the boat".

Influence peddling is permitted by law, under the first amendment's "petition of government" clause. Suspicion of influence peddling is not sufficient grounfs to begin an investigation in the US. If you are proposing an investigation by a US body, what do you propose would be sufficient grounds to satisfy the standards set by DOJ and the law? If possible, please refer to the statutes that would justify your proposal.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
9. Actually I have someone else in mind
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 09:56 AM
Jul 2023

who I feel could be doing more, the Senate. Last I checked Democrats control the Senate and it has committees just like the House to do investigations.

Sufficient grounds to investigate influence peddling would be what is going on at the Supreme Court, mainly involving Clarence Thomas. There certainly are grounds for DOJ to investigate the Supreme Court even though it may appear to be partisan. So no, I don't expect DOJ to investigate Jared if it won't investigate Clarence.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
14. In short, you are proposing the Senate to investigate an international transaction,
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:04 AM
Jul 2023

an investigation that may involve the Supreme Court, an investigation that, in your view, is justified by actions explicitly permitted by the US Constitution.

That's an exceedingly ambitious proposal! I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for anyone in the Senate to jump on it.

On edit: The Senate Judiciary Committee will be the body to look into the matter the way you are proposing it. The Chair of the committee calls all meetings. This Judiciary Committee rule may be of consequence:

The Chair shall entertain a non-debatable motion to bring a matter before the Committee to a vote. If there is objection to bring the matter to a vote without further debate, a roll call vote of the Committee shall be taken, and debate shall be terminated if the motion to bring the matter to a vote without further debate passes with eleven votes in the affirmative, one of which must be cast by the minority.


A call, a motion, a likely debate and a vote are all necessary to even begin the investigation.

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
28. I am not convinced it is not being investigated by DOJ along with their investigation into
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:45 AM
Jul 2023

money wire fraud and Trump. The problem is, how do you prove it? Without some wire taps or digital correspondence, it will be difficult as they have disguised the payment as an investment into a wealth management fund. The Saudis are smarter than Trump and Kushner so it may be difficult.

IbogaProject

(5,913 posts)
36. Being an unregistered foreign agent
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:27 AM
Jul 2023

That would be a crime. Also money laundering. If the any of the source, ownership and/or purpose are misrepresented than that is a serious crime in and of itself.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
51. To be a foreign agent,
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 01:56 PM
Jul 2023

you would have to act on behalf of a foreign government. To be a money launderer, you would have to make illegal financial transaction. So far, I didn't see direct evidence for either.

To find misrepresentation of ownership, source of income or purpose, an audit of Kushner's fund will have to be conducted, and evidence of any of the above found, and "reasonable cause" (legal lingo) for an accusation established. This will have to be done by the IRS or the governing body his business is licensed under. Even then, depending on how his investment fund was initially organized, Kushner himself may not incur any liability. He has a lot of lawyers on his payroll to make sure his ass is covered.

rubbersole

(11,223 posts)
45. A bargain at twice the price.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 12:07 PM
Jul 2023

Probably cost the American taxpayers tens of billions to get what jared had access to. He is a sleazy POS.

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
64. ...in exchange for Jared Kushner's amazing investment acumen.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:03 PM
Jul 2023





Sorry, I couldn't type that with a straight face.

mahina

(20,645 posts)
46. What I want to know about Hunter Biden is why did the Sardis give
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 12:11 PM
Jul 2023

Jared Kushner 2 billion dollars?

calimary

(90,020 posts)
55. That's how pathetic the Biden haters & critics are. Hunter's all they've got.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 05:15 PM
Jul 2023

That's ALL they've got that even comes semi-close.

That's ALL they've got. And it isn't even that good.

If there were any skeletons in Joe Biden's closet, they'd have been found, and exploited to the skies, by now. They've got nothing.

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
23. It was not a gift, it was an investment into his new wealth fund company
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:40 AM
Jul 2023

I might add that Jared has no experience or the qualifications to run such a company so while it was put in as an investment, you could consider it a gift and no doubt a loss to them but it is disguised.

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
62. Why would he pay taxes on it
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 09:30 PM
Jul 2023

It's not his income, the money belongs to the Saudi's and they expect to get it back plus interest.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
22. The royal family likely has pocket pardons and can't be touched...
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:37 AM
Jul 2023

For anything they did before 1/2021. The doj knows if they do, and won't bother to either investigate them or prosecute them.

So the only opportunity would be crimes after the pardons were written. Which will be tough.

All the pices fit through this lens. At least from the doj.

Why the senate isn't looking at tfg international corruption is another issue. To a certain extent, tfg is innoculating himself with the whole burisma crap. But that can be overcome. There is just no desire.

There doesn't seem to be much of a desire in the senate to do much of anything except keep the senate running as it always has. Democracy can fend for itself. Every man or woman for themselves.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
35. I'm not the only one....
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:24 AM
Jul 2023

Lots of articles discussing it from different angles. The only way to know for sure is to charge someone who has one and force them to produce it.

But here is one article discussing it. There are many.

https://time.com/6188793/trump-pardons-jan-6-explainer/

thesquanderer

(13,006 posts)
39. The royal family does not need U.S. pardons. Nor are they committing a crime by giving anyone money.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:44 AM
Jul 2023
 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
25. Why would you be criticized for asking that question?
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:42 AM
Jul 2023

Of course it should be investigated! It's an outrage that it hasn't been!

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
29. Ask Yourself
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:50 AM
Jul 2023

If Jared had not landed a White House job after failing his security clearance test would MSB be interested in him? Not a chance, that was just the thing to prove he was corruptible.

FakeNoose

(41,633 posts)
31. It's a business "loan" but what we need to know is what ELSE was promised
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:58 AM
Jul 2023

For example, this shady merger between the PGA and the LIV, Saudi's golf league. What's going on there and what did Chump and Kushner have to do with it? I'll bet they had EVERYTHING to do with it, at least in the backroom dealings.

How much of that $2 billion was split between Chump and Kushner? There's a lot we don't know. Is Kushner solvent enough to pay back that "loan"?

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
63. It's not a loan
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 09:34 PM
Jul 2023

It's a deposit with Kushner's investment firm. The Saudi's expect to make money off of Jared and all his newfound connections.

OneGrassRoot

(23,953 posts)
33. I was thinking about this yesterday...
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:15 AM
Jul 2023

if the GOP is going to continue hammering on Hunter Biden, the Dems should not resist it, but demand that Jared and Ivanka’s actions are investigated as well.

BRING IT.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
65. There is nothing stopping the Senate from investigating.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:41 PM
Jul 2023

They don't need to demand it. Just do it.

NoMoreRepugs

(12,076 posts)
34. The DOJ must be operating at capacity with the thousand
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:15 AM
Jul 2023

insurrectionists arrested, the pursuit of all things Trump and every other case they are pursuing. The last few years must be among the most hectic in their history I would imagine.

 

BlueIn_W_Pa

(842 posts)
37. If the supposed $17 million jr Biden got is true and is such a big deal on the right
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:31 AM
Jul 2023

then the $2000 million just one jr Trump received should be a big deal too.

I mean, both only got the money because of their influence with dad - that's it.

Calista241

(5,633 posts)
38. Jared Kushner is a venture capitalist, and he's always raised money to invest in projects.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:38 AM
Jul 2023

usually in real estate, but not always. It was his career before Trump asked him to join the White House. That being the case, this transaction isn't really notable. Yes it was a large amount of money, but the Saudi's have been throwing their money around for the last decade or so.

I mean, they founded LIV golf, and paid more than what Jared got investment was. They're also building this crazy trillion dollar mirror city in SA.

Unless someone can prove there's some kind of quid pro quo, or some other kind of illegal activity going on, then any investigation is going to be SOL. Maybe the Saudi's gave it to him because they hate Biden, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the motivation for MBS. But that doesn't make it illegal or worthy of investigation.

And I have to wonder how many Senators and Congresspersons children or grandchildren are working on boards of companies, or have jobs or investment firms they're not really qualified for.

stopdiggin

(15,463 posts)
43. +1. the Saudis throw money around
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 12:04 PM
Jul 2023

quite liberally - for all sorts of reasons, with influence and favor certainly being among the. (which makes them extremely similar to other countries - AND sources of large wealth) That any of this is per-se illegal - is the crux of the issue. And so far ... We have approximately zippo. By all means 'investigate', but ... Until then a little less with the frothy and fervid speculation?

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stopdiggin

(15,463 posts)
40. much rather have it investigated
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:44 AM
Jul 2023

(perhaps by people with real ability and tools- and perhaps authority?) - as to endure baseless claims of certain knowledge by Facebook warriors ...

of course that won't stop them, it never does - "Ginni Thomas rented buses .. " - but at least the rest of us would have the luxury of scrolling past the nonsense.

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thesquanderer

(13,006 posts)
41. The only good thing about a Chris Christie presidency is...
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:45 AM
Jul 2023

...he'd probably manage to find a way to nail Jared Kushner.

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
42. One possibility is MBS using Jared as a buyer for strategic properties in the US, like water rights
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:48 AM
Jul 2023

in key areas, to keep the fact hidden that the properties will be owned by SA after the sale.

nuxvomica

(14,092 posts)
44. Maybe it has been investigated
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 12:05 PM
Jul 2023

And maybe that investigation was used to leverage cooperation from Kushner and others into providing evidence against Trump. If that is what has happened, you probably wouldn't hear much about it.

Jean Genie

(544 posts)
54. What means investigated?
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 04:26 PM
Jul 2023

Anybody think Jared and Bone Saw ought to be investigated?
I do! But it won't happen! So what else is new?
Onward to Barbie movie pearl-clutching.
And Hunter Biden's penis.
The really important stuff!

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