New York Court system is to blame for the mess we have now with Trump

[Peacetrain]

Hear me out before you jump ugly about this....

If the New York Court System had not let him skate on so many many law suits and get away with stalling stalling stalling.. (something the average person would never get away with) Trump would not have been so quick to use the same strategy on the Court System as it is now trying to bring him to justice.

The man is a grifter, plain and simple.. Yesterday I listened to him tell his followers in a rally that he was being picked on, and all these suits and subpoenas were just the Democrats and DOJ trying to keep him from protecting his people??? or words to that effect.. The man actually said he did not even know what a subpoena was till he became President.. I just about dropped my coffee..

We cannot have special laws for the privileged ..it will always backfire.

[gab13by13]

1. You mean special laws for

sitting members of Congress (Scott Perry) and for members of the Supreme Court (Clarence Thomas) and for wives of SC justices (Ginni Thomas)????

[Peacetrain]

2. That also... if we are to continue to grow as a Democracy

and not fall into a dictatorship by committee.. we all have to abide by the same laws.. that includes the Supremes..

[brooklynite]

3. When you say "The Court System" you mean New York jurors, right?

"The Court System" doesn't generally get to arbitrarily rule.

[Sanity Claws]

5. No. Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance let him skate on things

For jurors to be considered responsible, there must have been a jury trial. As far as I know, there was no jury trial that ever acquitted T-rump.

[Hugin]

7. Is it my imagination or is this the first time TFG has ever been indicted...

For criminal charges?

I know that Jarvanika were tried, convicted and somehow it all vanished. They went on to be federal employees with high level security clearances and access to classified documents.

[brooklynite]

8. And act Vance is not "The Court System"

[hadEnuf]

11. But he is part of the system as a whole.

[Orrex]

12. Because the important thing is to pounce on the OP for imprecise language

You’re so helpful.

[brooklynite]

29. If the OP intended to blame Vance. I doubt he'd be worried about people jumping on him...

[brush]

13. Nailed it. Vance is the one who let him skate for years.

Donations were made.

[Botany]

4. and all these suits and subpoenas were just the Democrats

Funny just about all the people who have given testimony to the grand juries or talked to Smith
& Company have been
republicans, worked for Trump, and or were Trump or people associated w/Trumps lawyers.

Such as Bernie Keriks lawyer .... The attorney, Tim Parlatore, .......

The evidence against Trump is coming from REPUBLICANS not from Biden, the democrats, or the left.

Former Giuliani colleague turns over thousands of pages to special counsel on 2020 election

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/bernie-kerik-turns-documents-special-counsel-jack-smith-rcna96045

[gab13by13]

6. Sometimes even waiting before investigating Trump has consequences.

No prosecutor worth his salt waits over a year before investigating crimes.

[wnylib]

10. And no prosecutor has done that.

I've read posts claiming that DOJ was wrong to go after the foot soldiers from J6 instead of starting at the top. I have also read posts that say that there is very little danger of a repeat of J6 type violence in reaction to the charges and trials Trump faces because so many of the J6 insurrectionists have been arrested and convicted, including leaders of Proud Boys and Oathkeepers.

So it was not really bad policy to go after the foot soldiers. And while that was being done, there WERE ongoing investigations of people at higher levels who have turned and are now providing testimony and additional info for current charges and impending trials.

I'd rather see DOJ put together air tight cases for convictions than try to please impatient citizens demanding faster results that could fail in court. Talk about giving Trump extra power. Imagine him being acquitted due to poorly developed cases brought against him.

[brush]

15. With all it's resources, way more than the J6 Committee, the DOJ is well...

able to walk and chew gum at the same time. In other words, it could've moved on the J6 insurrectionists and the top level J6 planners at the same time.

It didn't. the J6 Committee hearings were way ahead of the DOJ, showed it up in fact, and finally shamed it into moving on the trump cabal. At least a year late though.

Garland finally got SC Smith on the case and he's done a great job. It's the consensus by most legal analysts that bringing him on was a year late.

trump should've already been indicted and tried for J6 crimes...on the documents case too.

[LastDemocratInSC]

9. "Special laws"

The word "privilege" is derived from the Latin words for "private law".

[yonder]

18. +1.

[Peacetrain]

25. Did not know that..

[Hortensis]

14. The electorate, including nonvoters, have full responsibility.

Other happenings and failures that have resulted don't take away from that.

tRump is the people's failure to meet very basic responsibilities.

Government of, by and for the people, after all.

[TeamProg]

16. I think most of us understood this a while back, it was obvious and previously written about. nt

[Peacetrain]

19. Must have missed it... NT

[bucolic_frolic]

17. Every city, mid-size and larger, has Slum Lords

using the laws, written by Congress, to skirt responsibility so that they provide rental housing and jobs in their towns.

Not an excuse for Trump, just saying, that's that way it is.

[Peacetrain]

22. And as I said... that should not be that way... special law avoidance for the privileged .

It never ceases to amaze me how one person can do so much damage if they are not curtailed early on..the more they get away with.. the more they try and feel they are entitled to special privilege.. Once this bozo loses and hopefully spends some time in lock up for his misbehaviors we do not have another right behind him..

[IbogaProject]

20. I hate to say it

There is an air of corruption around NYC & NY State courts. For some examples stop and frisk was tolerated for decades, it took federal intervention to fix. NYC is actually very seggrigrated in both housing and even more do in schools. NYC schools are the most segregated in the country. I'm not sure if the courts are actually corrupt or just overloaded and prone to make the Judge choose sides early in the process, which with evenly matched parties or simple matters might not be bad but in complex situations it can give advantage to the bad side.

[Elessar Zappa]

35. The whole justice system in New York City is much

better than it was several decades ago. Back then the mafia had the many of the judges and police on its payroll.

[BradBo]

21. " jump ugly", haven't heard that term in awhile,, I like it.

[Peacetrain]

23. Oh I get it all the time...

I can post something and my fan club is all over me for not wording it a specific way .. or some such..

[cilla4progress]

24. Years ago my NY nephew would tell me

that NYC was run by gangs! Totally corrupt!!

[The Wizard]

26. The Bible (Trump's favorite book) says

The truth will set you free. Let the MAGAts chew on that for a while.

[Peacetrain]

27. I had to go look this up on utube when I read your post

[jaxexpat]

28. That's because our justice system is so "refined"......

it cannot determine the relative consequence of murder vs jaywalking.

I must apologize. But heed this as a warning for those who cherish their moments' time spent as irreplaceable and hold dear the gate latches to their minds. Proceed at your own volition.

I'm so dumb, I'm still trying to appreciate the actual usefulness of maintaining and separating criminal from civil courts. I'm asking, peevishly. What can come, but universal burden, with denying the detriments of official misrepresentation and obfuscation more than their duplication? (Does that sentence even make sense?)

It is, apparently, a clever tool and justification for official do-overs resulting in separate venues for finding different verdicts from identical facts. This is madness. It is also a shining showcase (or a smokey lounge) for a system with too much leisure time on its hands. Too much of the people's time wasted, waiting for the opportunity to politely and boredly hang on every word of some clever and ego-driven liars' spin about the vagueness they've "discovered" in nearly redundant regulations written by politicians' assistants.

[FakeNoose]

30. Racist tightwad Fred Trump Sr. started it, and taught "the ropes" to Donald

However Donald Chump took it all so much further than Fred Sr. ever dreamed.

Yes it's OK to blame the city and state of NY, they certainly did their share of looking the other way while Chump continued criming.

But how about New Jersey? How did Chump ever qualify for a casino license, when NJ claimed to have foolproof laws and regulations to keep the state casino business clean?

Other states also looking the other way - Florida for example. The sale of Mar-a-Lago to Chump, and subsequently turning it into a "social club" where it cannot become a residence. But it IS a residence after all. Whoopsie!

Etc. etc.

[Faux pas]

31. Them

and the New York press who kissed his ass forever.

[dsc]

32. It isn't just the NY system

the federal system is clearly overly bogged down and takes entirely too long to settle issues and enforce subpeonas. Congressional investigations are handicapped by this to an immense degree. There needs to be a special rocket docket for those issues. It shouldn't take 4 years to litigate simple issues such as if laws that specifically state the IRS must give tax records to the Ways and Means Committee actually means that the IRS has to give tax records to the Ways and Means Committee.

[moondust]

33. Did Mayor Rudy Colludy give him a pass?

[Polybius]

34. Perhaps another Republican would have won in 2016 if Trump were arrested before then

We just don't know.