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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have a close colleague I really respect and care for moving to Texas.
She's moving because she (and her husband) want to be close to his parents who are elderly and can no longer manage on their own.
I'm tempted to say something, but it's really none of my business.
I just think I would look into moving them closer to me, rather than going into a place that is headed in the same direction as Florida.
I'm not trying to claim that Arizona is wonderful (it's not), but at least we have a Dem Governor who is doing a lot of good things.
We have one awesome senator, Mark Kelly, and one stinker (Sinema). Maricopa is starting to become a reliably blue county.
What a horrible time in our country, where we actually have to fear for friends and relatives moving to a particular state!
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spooky3
(38,634 posts)It’s hard to adjust at that age, and to leave friends, doctors, favorite places, etc., behind.
Coventina
(29,731 posts)(Aside from it not being my business).
I'm sure there's nothing I can say that she hasn't already thought of and is aware of.
(She's totally liberal).
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)You have the "duly-elected" Governor Lake.
And the reality-based Governor Hobbs.
It's like "Choose Your Own Adventure" out there.
Coventina
(29,731 posts)
AndyS
(14,559 posts)surroundings can shorten their lives drastically.
Yeah, Texas is a red shit hole but in your everyday life it kind of slides past. People are basically nice and unless there's a manufactured confrontation it won't intrude in daily interaction.
Still working on changing it but it is survivable.
moonscape
(5,724 posts)email and had a travel promotional email from Costco. They had boxes with locations to check for deals and the boxes were: Europe, Fiji, Hawaii, Aruba, and a singular state: Texas!
Coventina
(29,731 posts)I'm pretty sure that Florida's is down, but it was so sky-high to begin with, it might not make a big difference...at least not yet.
Tickle
(4,131 posts)From last year.
46% of people moving to TX are millennials from CA.
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)
Celerity
(54,409 posts)you said
in reality it is
CA Millennials do not make up 46% of ALL people (from every single place of origin) moving to Texas, just 46% of the people moving from CA to TX.
I also take issue with that article's use of the term 'most' when 46% is not even a majority. I would have used the term 'a large plurality', as 54% (an actual majority) of the CA to TX movers are not Millennials.
Ace Rothstein
(3,373 posts)Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)
That's a good point, actually.
moonscape
(5,724 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)You only see a singular state on that list? 
moonscape
(5,724 posts)truly, maybe I did
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,869 posts)The major urban areas are mainly blue (other than Tarrant). There are a good number of hard core democrats working to turn Texas blue. Texas is not a red state or blue state but a non-voting state. Texas will overcome voter suppression and Texas will turn blue
Coventina
(29,731 posts)I really hope you are right!!!
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,869 posts)If they need help finding other Democrats, let me know.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,869 posts)It is tactics like this that give me hope and the fact that the percentage of rural voters is declining every election cycle
Link to tweet
anarch
(6,536 posts)if everybody was able to vote, and did so (and got their votes counted) it would have gone "blue" a while ago
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Texas WAS a blue state. Oh how I sobbed when our beloved Ann Richards lost to GW Bush.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)And it never has been
The Democratic party in Texas was never blue in the sense of liberal. Into the early 90s, the party consisted of an uneasy mash of typical big city liberals and Dixiecrats too stubborn to quit the party. The latter were the only thing propping them up.
Anyone could see that, as the Dixiecrats either peeled off to the Republicans or outright died, the party was in trouble.
Only the Texas Democratic party didn't see it coming. We in other states did try to warn them, but sometimes talking to Texans is like talking to mud, as my nan used to say, because mud shifts around if you poke at it, but, when it all dries up, it's set in stone.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Even Tarrant is starting to tilt blue, and that's not a good sign for the traitor party in Texas.
They've pretty much lost Ft Bend down by Houston, and they're losing Williamson north of Austin. Also keep an eye on a couple of those counties just north of Dallas. I think Collins and Denton (correct me if I'm wrong about the names), are getting closer to tipping as well. Rumor has it that the Collins/Denton numbers are giving the traitor party heart arrhythmias behind closed doors, because both are looking very much like Ft Bend did before it flipped. The one south of Houston, starts with a B (help me out here), is another to watch. It's not as far down the path as the northern counties, but it's ripe for the same kind of switch.
It won't happen overnight, but if the Democrats can shore up their support in the border counties, the addition of the major burb counties could be just enough to wipe out all of the traitor party advantages in those massive swaths of small town and rural areas. Most people here don't really understand how big Texas is, namely how much of the space consists of rural areas and small towns.
Of 250+ counties, fewer than 20% of them are big city or big city suburban. So all of those little counties add up, and not in a good way. Think death by a thousand paper cuts. As my stepsister is fond of telling me, if you call me when I'm driving across Texas, and ask where I am, the chances are high that it will be in the middle of nowhere.
Anytime we venture out of the big cities when visiting her, I'm always stunned at how much of the state qualifies as "middle of nowhere."
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,869 posts)The Texas GOP has to suppress the vote because the GOP is already a minority party. If Texans turn out to vote, Texas would be blue
OBrien
(366 posts)I live in very blue Houston full of wonderful people. As said before, Texas is not a red state…it is a non voting state. Many people come in for awhile to make money then leave eventually. They never seem to be invested politically…sadly.
Coventina
(29,731 posts)It's great that there are blue areas in Texas, but that is negated by a loss of bodily autonomy.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)The situation in Texas will continue to deteriorate regardless of the politics of the state
So ... I live in Houston.
Where, exactly, do I move to "stop climate change"?
Also, where is it that will not "continue to deteriorate". I would really like to know how to avoid the effects of climate change. Will it just be in "red" states?
OBrien
(366 posts)I wonder how many critics of Texas have actually set foot here? MD Anderson Cancer Hospital is saving my life and I’m so grateful I live in this city. The hospital is full of workers from all over the world as is Houston itself!
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)It won't be stopped
It's been in the news lately.
Your actions will depend on how seriously you take climate change
Lurker Deluxe
(1,085 posts)Are you suggesting that if I stay in Houston I will die from climate change where if I move I will survive? If so, where exactly, will I be better off?
I did not realize it was that targeted in the range of survivability. Is Dallas far enough? Or is it just over the border into Oklahoma? Northern Ireland? Or just where you live ... will you be spared the wrath of climate change?
Where, please do tell, will I be safe?
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)I said where one can survive.
I take it you haven't done any research on this at all.
Lurker Deluxe
(1,085 posts)I do not know where survivability will be when the coming issues become reality. I guess you do, and it is secret.
Perhaps you could share some of this research that no one else has done, perhaps not.
It must be very fulfilling to know what is going to happen when the rest of the world does not, perhaps you can sell this information to the lesser educated in the rest of the world.
I would be willing to, and in fact am, betting that climate change will not kill me before I die from something else here in Houston. Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps you are. Only time will tell ... well, unless you already know, which evidently you do.
But by all means, just answer with the standard, "guess you have not done any research at all".
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)and have a well developed plan in place.
My plan, which is extensive, won't work for you for a variety of reasons. For starters, we live in different areas of the country and the effects of climate change will be different. Another difference is that my wife and I are working with 5 other families in a joint effort. People we are related to . What we are doing probably wouldn't apply to you .
You still have time. Search for sites that you seem to be reputable for information. Take that info and delope a plan and then work on implementing that plan .
Lurker Deluxe
(1,085 posts)Let us run it down ... since you are so much better prepared than everyone else ... but will not offer a peep about why and just keep tossing insults.
I own 22 acres north of Houston in Cut and Shoot, Texas. It backs up to Caney Creek which is a fresh water source from Lake Houston ... always flows.
On these 22 acres is a 5 acre stocked pond. 2 water wells, both drilled, one submersed pump one forced air, 1 300', 1 500'. 3 septic systems. A fully functional machine/fab shop 30'X40', I am a machinist/welder. 1000 gallons of diesel fuel storage capacity and 2 diesel generators. A 1 ton flatbed truck, 2 50ish horse tractors one of which is a backhoe (Kubota). 1 34' 5th wheel travel trailer which sits on a well and septic, 1 72' mobile home which sits on a well and septic, and 1 40' X 20' steel carport over the travel trailer which is in the process of getting 24K of solar installed. 1 Wood-mizer LT40 sawmill. Damn near every hand tool known to man, the ability to use them, and backups for the ones that matter in another stand alone "barn" 24'X30' which sits on the 3rd septic just so you can take a crap without going "inside". 400 AMP 3 phase power supply to the property, broken into 3 separate panels with a spare to hook up another travel trailer ... which we would need to dig in another septic for.
Across the gravel road from me my best friend of 30+ years owns 18 acres with a smaller but pretty much the same setup. He happens to be a electrician.
Next to him lives our friend of 25+ years who happens to be a engineer, mechanical/structural double degree out of MIT who we met over the years from being out there ... he lives there, we do not, on 52 acres. I bought my property in 1990, my friend in 1993. This neighbor owns his own business building oilfield related products concerning extraction/refining. Actually met him the first time when I got stuck in the creek with my truck. He has an old John Deere "B" and laughed at me saying, "I remember doing the same stupid stuff when I was a kid" as he pulled me out.
Behind our properties is a state controlled 100+ acres which has 2 capped oil wells, which were capped in the 90's according to the neighbor who has lived there since the 70's, due to "not producing enough to matter". We have talked many times about what we would do if we needed to "uncap" them. We feed the deer there, and there are deer/hogs/squirrel a plenty. This is on a dead end street with this 3 of us and one more who we call the "wanna-be" because he pays to have someone else do all his stuff.
When we sit around at the watering hole here in town (Houston) the joke is, "where do we meet when the shit hits the fan ... behind the barn". Within that group: 1 first class fitter/welder who owns a 36' travel trailer which will sit on the last electric panel, 1 licensed plumber who usually stays with my friend across the street, 1 "know it all" who is 20 years younger than us (me 56/friend across the street 55/neighbor 75) who joins us on the weekend and seems to love riding around on the tractor mowing. And a couple of "I wanna go's" who never have been, and me ... the mastermind behind this ongoing project who has been an INSITU machinist working on power plants and various large scale civic structures (damns/ect) since 1988.
It certainly did not start as a refuge from climate change, 33 f'n years ago, however it has surely morphed into that over the last 15. The machine shop was built on my second attempt at self employment in 2001, the "barn" was built 4 years before that to have a place to fix the broken stuff that was used to build this whole network of crap. All the buildings were built with wood cut from the sawmill, all septic was installed by us with the backhoe, and all electric was buried by us so no trees fuck it up, and we have a water driven generator which can be dropped in that creek but is not because it is "illegal" to restrict the flow.
To this day we spend our weekends there working on various projects to improve the properties, fishing and hunting, and drinking beer around a fire. Some of us have lived there from time to time and have certainly "sheltered" other friends who needed a place to stay for whatever reason. We put up 3 families in the aftermath of Katrina for 6 months, at no cost to them ...
So ... am I prepared. I would say better than most ... better than you, most likely. A master level: machinist/welder/plumber/electrician/engineer working together over 30+ years to have a place to retire to when we, in about 5 years, sell our shit in the "city" and move to the "SHIF" (shit hidden in the forest).
But hey ... you got us all beat ... doubtful. Haven't you done your research? You can still make plans ... you have time.
I love those that assume so much while actually knowing so little.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)What is the total annual calorie needs of everyone invoked and how does that compare to what your land and what the land that your friends own produces?
This is one of the projects I'm working on. Figuring out how much food we need to harvest from our own properties in order to sustain us.
As of now, there are 15 adults in our group. That could vary if some family members return home or others leave.
If one accepts that the average adult needs 2k calories a day, that's a total of 30k calories per day. I'm considering that half of our calories will come from potatoes so in order to supply 15 adults, we'll consume 42 pounds per day and a total of 15,466 pounds in a year. To harvest that amount, we'll need to plant about an acre and that'll require 1000 to 3000 pounds of seed potatoes. An acre is the size of 16 tennis courts or 3/4 of a football field
Another good source we will have is hair sheep (not wool sheep) and the breed I'm considering is the American Black Belly. If every adult gets 6 ounces of meat per day, that'll be 500 calories per adult per day. In order to get that amount of meat, we'd need to slaughter 45-50 adult sheep per year. I have to figure out how big of a herd we need to sustain that, how many acres of pasture that herd will need and how much hay the herd will need for the winter and then how many acres of land will be needed to produce that much hay
Regarding chickens, we have 2 separate flocks now and plan to have 2 more in the near future.
The remaining 500 calories will come from vegetables , eggs, fruit and occasionally fish.
We are not going to be living off a diet of potatoes, mutton, veggies and fruit grown or raised entirely on our lands but we are working on being able to quickly ramp that up if needed I'm interested in growing chickpeas as they are high in calories.
What you and your friends are doing is impressive..
Lurker Deluxe
(1,085 posts)The main issue with food is population density. Cut and Shoot has a population density of around 500/sq. mi.
Being very low and not likely to increase anytime soon, no one is moving to anyplace except the new subdivision which has bought up some land and built those dumb ass stick houses 5' from each other. Other than that once you get off the main road, Hwy105, the average person (just over 1000 total pop) owns acreage. 1 square mile equals 640 acres so the density is less that 1 person per acre, easily sustainable.
Meat sources abound with plenty of wild game in the nearby state land (backs up to my property) or the massive acreage just south which sits thousand or so straight up wilderness acreage (owned but not developed). Texas is f'n huge. Sam Houston National forest is a short commute (6 miles north) and sits at 163,000 acres of uninhabited land, one of the most well kept wilderness areas in the state. Lake Conroe sits at 22,000 acres, and Lake Livingston sits at 83,000 acres both an easy drive to get to.
Growing food is all about climate and I would certainly be better off somewhere which freezes seldom and has an average of a couple dozen or so days of temperatures below 30.
If it comes down to food shortage the main issue will be, again, population density. The road to get to my place, along with my 3 neighbors already has a gate and if shut driving past it would look just like any other gate on a dirt road going to nowhere as any of the 100's of others along those multiple 2 lane blacktops that run in and around the vacant land which provide access to power lines/rr tracks/pipeline easements.
From the main 2 lane blacktop no visible signs of anything are present. I own 1/2 mile of frontage and the woods is 300' deep before any structure. In any food shortage situation the key to growing and harvesting food is simple enough, can you keep the others who are starving away. A couple of ways to do that, by force or in hiding. I am in hiding ... unless you know it is there, it is not there.
As far as what is grown climate is the key there. There are many crops that can be grown year round in the climate of East Texas and the fruit trees that were planted years ago sorted that out. I planted 2 of each, lime, orange, apple, and pear. Orange trees are 20ish feet tall and produces, apple (1 died) is a short crappy tree and does not do well, limes died in the great Texas blizzard (of 5 days) and the pears live on but produces squirrel food. Fig trees will be added once living there simply because if no one is there to harvest ... squirrel food. I have enough pecan and walnut trees to harvest those easily, again once there now just more squirrel food. I have enough squirrels to populate a continent. Hope no one who is involved with you is diabetic as 1000 calories a day from that heavy a starch will kill them and most likely make the rest of you ... diabetic.
In the times that I have planted extensive gardens they have done well. I always do cucumbers/tomatoes/green onions/jalapenos planting just after Valentines day (when we trim the crepes) and they produce well into July when, because not there daily to water/move, the sun/heat destroys them. Jalapenos grow forever and can actually turn into small trees which then produce very little fruit. Easily grown/harvested/preserved staples are beans, corn, onions, tomatoes, and various herbs. Canning skills are a must, as is drying, for veggies while smoking and curing is a must for meat products. My buddy across the street has a dedicated smoke house, he is the hunter of the group, and he makes 100s of pounds of sausage yearly (deer/piggy) and smokes/cures it himself. My canning skills are improving, got the pickles down to an artform and tomatoes are easy enough to preserve, coming soon will be onions in some form and probably okra.
There are multiple scenes which can aid in becoming self sustainable and not depend entirely on the grocery but no mistake is needed if and when it comes to survivability it is location location location. I will take my chances in a low population area over somewhere that is considered a "climate change haven" where every dumb fuck with 6 kids will flock to "survive".
But that is just me.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 28, 2023, 01:13 PM - Edit history (1)
Where I live, it's predicted that the winters will become more mild and shorter, the growing season longer and summers hotter.
I've been kicking around the idea of planting groves of Pawpaws. I live in zone 4 and Pawpaws will survive but the growing season is too short for the fruit to reach maturity. However, the area will transition to zone 5 in time though so I'd get a head start by beginning to plant them now
I live in a very low density area of Michigan, north of Wisconsin. My home county has a population of less then 6k people. Even then, back during the Great Depression, game like deer became rare because of excessive illegal hunting. The whitetail deer was on its way to extinction by the late 1800s because of unregulated hunting.
https://www.themeateater.com/wired-to-hunt/whitetail-management/how-the-whitetail-nearly-went-extinct
A positive about winter is that one can freeze food , as there may be no electricity to run the freezers, which would help ride that season out. I also can but I expect canning equipment like lids will be hard to come by or not available at all.
I'm building a root cellar at my home and there is already a very large one at the old family farm for food storage. The root cellar will be used to store potatoes, rutabaga, carrots, cabbage, winter squash and other produce.
As for potatoes, many of the poor in Ireland ate pretty much just potatoes for much of their lives.
"The burgeoning population lived on a diet comprised mainly of potatoes and milk, which if eaten in sufficient quantity is a surprisingly nutritious, if monotonous, diet. It is also relatively tasty and easy to prepare."
https://www.dochara.com/the-irish/food-history/food-in-ireland-1600-1835/
As for low density in your area, that may change when people in nearby cities move to the nearby countryside in search of food and other needs as they wouldn't have the means to travel many hundreds of miles to the north.
Have you figured out the calorie needs of your group and what and how much food you'll need to sustain that?
Lurker Deluxe
(1,085 posts)If you think you know what will happen you will likely be wrong.
No one knows. Period.
This is not something that will happen with the flick of a switch. It will be long and gradual. To assume that your area of population density will not increase where mine will simply ignores land mass. Most in cities moving to avoid climate issues will move to other cities. For the most part they simply cannot survive outdoors, they have not the discipline or the knowledge to do so. Searching for food in areas with very low population is futile ... there is no chain grocery store to offer this. If food begins to become scarce those in the subdivisions in property east of Conroe will flee to other larger cities. Cut and shoot is the last named town before going 25+ miles further east to Cleveland with a whopping population of 7000. Other than that there is not anything, for miles, in any direction.
We know another small group that has a very similar setup in Grovetown, some 70 miles farther north on the edge of the Davy Crockett National forest, another 160,000+ acre uninhabited land mass which is even more remote than the Cut and Shoot area. We go there some weekends, they visit us some weekends ... pretty much the same except they live there 3/4 days out of the week and spend 3/4 in Houston. They have chickens/goats/horses and are about to get a few head of cattle. Just east of that is the Angelina National Forest, 153,000 acres, and go another 50 miles east and you run into the Sabine National forest, another 160,000+ acre land mass. If you wanted to drive between these massive national forest and hit all of them in the same day it is a 160 mile trip. Still in east Texas, halfway to Dallas.
Again, Texas is f'n huge.
Climate change includes more severe storms in all seasons, not just summer. While the average climate may warm that does not mean severe winter storms will become less frequent. Does not work that way. The area you are referring is what 50 square miles at the best? A quick weather search (Iron River) for January of 22 shows exactly 1 day with a high temperature of over 32 (freezing) and several days with temperatures dropping to as low as -24. Without power that is very difficult to survive, and even more difficult to maintain nutrition. Lot of wood chopping going on there ... for what 4/5 months out of the year? Not even sure your goats will survive that with no heat source ...
I do not need to calculate how many calories I will need to survive, there is no stretch of weather that will prevent me from eating what ever I want, whenever I want. Beans/Rice store infinitely along with canned tomatoes/onions/herbs and endless wild game from the woods supply enough protein to just eat when you are hungry. I do not have to survive 4/5 months of non growing season ... does not happen.
All of this assumes end game BS. Grocery stores are not going anywhere anytime soon and nowhere is going to become uninhabitable in the next decade at which time I will be in my late 60s. You think your plan is better. Bully for you, I do not give a damn. Again all this started with you bashing Texas and assuming I did not know anything and you knew it all.
I concede, you are the superior human being and I shall perish in flames while you dance in the snow.
I am done here.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)I live on the northern edge of the Ottawa National Forest which is 993,010 acres in size. Down past that is the Chequamegon-Nicolet National Forest which covers more than 1.5 million acres. To the east is the Hiawatha National Forest which is 894,836-acres in size. It's a 90 mile round trip to the nearest McDonalds
The nearest bigger cities are 3 1/2-4 hours away and they are Green Bay, WI and Duluth, MN.
Your comment:
"Without power that is very difficult to survive, and even more difficult to maintain nutrition. Lot of wood chopping going on there ... for what 4/5 months out of the year? Not even sure your goats will survive that with no heat source ...
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Wood chopping is the norm here and we are used to cold temps. People have lived here for thousands of years without power. Sheep and chickens, depending on the breed, can survive sub-zero temps quite well as long as they have shelter from the wind. I belong to the Backyard Chickens group on Facebook and there are numerous posts made by people who say their chickens are dying or suffering from the heat. Correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe that wet bulb temperatures in areas of the South, maybe even in your area, are predicted to hit dangerous levels in the coming years.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)I'm posting this here so the info will be easy to find when I need to put it in the master plan. You may also find it interesting.
It takes 9 months for an American Black Belly sheep to reach slaughter weight of 90 pounds
About 70% of weight is meat
The gestation period is 5 months
One ram can service a few dozen ewes.
A ewe reaches sexual maturity in about 7 months. Rams much earlier
A sheep eats about 3% or a little less in body weight each day
As many ewes have twins, one can figure that ewes produce about 1.5 lambs per year.
The ewes would need to be bred at the beginning of October in order to give birth at the beginning of March.
The sheep not needed to be part of the core herds would be slaughtered starting at the end November when temps are below freezing and so they don't eat much of the hay.
For a sustainable herd, I'd need 22 ewes and 2 rams split into two separate herds. One herd at the family farm. The other at my son in laws property. I would need 4 acres of pasture at each site unless the pastures are replanted which would allow me to need less land for pasture.
I would need 14-15 900 pound round bales to feed the core herds and young offspring over the winter
While sheep do benefit from eating minerals and other nutrients, they can survive on grass and hay alone.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)I cannot rely on plants for nutrition. I'm allergic to too many of them to live on those alone.
I need the meat for the things it provides that I cannot get from a vegetable-only diet.
So I get it. You want people like me dead, to make you feel oh-so-much more superior to everyone else about how "climate-conscious" you are.
Never mind that plant farming needs enormous amounts of land, chemicals, water and fossil fuels to feed the planet--things that do *not* help the environment or climate change as much as you think they do.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)Where in my post am I talking about plant farming other then making hay to feed the sheep over the winter?
Snooper9
(484 posts)Or is it a secret as you don't want too many people going there LOL
Lurker Deluxe
(1,085 posts)That out of Texas but not to Florida is the main point, ya know ... out of the "red" places and into the "blue". Coastal California seems to be the obvious choice.
It seems that, like the Biden's dog, climate change knows who to "bite".
anarch
(6,536 posts)sorry, but it's true and pretty much inevitable at this point, since we didn't do anything to mitigate it 20 years ago when it might have made a difference, and continue to do practically nothing. We are fucked, and not just in the southern states.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)The Great Lakes region is expected to be a mecca for climate change refugees.
I find it interesting that despite decades of warnings, individuals haven't done much research on this.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)That you think you are in a "safe" zone.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)"Climate migration experts say the Great Lakes region will face lower climate risks than other parts of the nation. But that doesn’t mean Wisconsin and the Upper Midwest are immune to the effects of climate change, which is already affecting weather patterns here and across the globe. "
https://www.wpr.org/could-wisconsin-be-climate-haven-great-lakes-region-could-be-attractive-some-effects-are-unclear#:~:text=Climate%20migration%20experts%20say%20the,here%20and%20across%20the%20globe.
"Michigan is uniquely situated as climate change makes significant changes to our way of life, identified by international experts as a climate refuge. Michigan’s Great Lakes help serve as an insulator for many of the climate impacts that will face the rest of the nation"
https://www.govrel.umich.edu/index.php/wolverine-caucus-michigans-climate-future-what-it-means-to-be-a-climate-refuge-and-how-to-prepare/
What do your sources say?
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)Of course Arizona has been a Dem state for like a hot minute. Op seems to think it’s Vermont or Cali all of the sudden.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)
brush
(61,033 posts)in a place for a long time and accumulated tons of possessions. I'm in a similar situation but I'm the one being urged to move close to family and a support group.
It makes all the sense in the world as I lost my wife and live alone in a big house in Vegas that we moved to from NY years ago. The house is full of stuff, some things never unpacked from the NY move. I even filled a big dumpster with stuff pre-pandemic as I was going to make the move. It hardly made a dent, then the pandemic hit, and now that it's over, I don't have the energy anymore.
Moving is hard.
Coventina
(29,731 posts)I'm so sorry for your loss.
Prairie_Seagull
(4,689 posts)Sorry for your loss. I can't or won't imagine. To painful. Head firmly planted in sand.
peggysue2
(12,533 posts)I've always hated it. And as we age, it becomes all the harder, physically and emotionally. My husband and I moved from Tennessee to the Philadelphia suburbs and recently to Delaware. Last move, last house. And yes, closer to family and old friends. I had a sense had we not moved when we did, we were Tennessee residents for life.
Still, it was a grind. I'm glad we pushed through it. But it was definitely tough.
Btw, we, too, had our dumpster, Junk-Be-Gone phase. Amazing how much 'stuff' we collect over a lifetime. In addition, we became a repository for family stuff--my parents, my in-laws, the kids. Even my husband's grandmother. LOL. Everything parked under one roof, squirreled away for future retrieval. Which never came.
Until Mr. Dump Truck rolled up my driveway.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)Prairie_Seagull
(4,689 posts)We are going to get a 'vacation property' big enough for our kids and spouses. Sounds fun but really serves a pragmatic and more ass saving function. Mostly for the kids.
Kaleva
(40,365 posts)Bought some land in the western part of North Carolina for them and their kids to move to.
dembotoz
(16,922 posts)i was an only child
someone has to care for the parents
no brainer really
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)by current very negative partisan attitudes.
Social media is well known for its adverse effects on the reactions of both individuals and whole societies. And of course of groups who reinforce each others' biases and misconceptions.
Maybe you'll visit her down there and meet some of her new neighbors. Itm, maybe think of her as an additional Democratic voter and influence? Assuming she is of course.
anarch
(6,536 posts)personally I welcome and encourage whoever will move here to help put that to an end.
If Texas goes "blue," the GOP will never win a national election ever again.
Iggo
(49,928 posts)Beyond that is probably rude, I’m thinkin’. (And even just that might be rude…lol.)
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)It's not safe to carry a pregnancy in most red states, especially if you are 35 or older. What the forced birthers don't realize is that all of their bans and restrictions are mainly harming women who wanted to keep their pregnancies but ran into complications after 9 weeks.
Also, even if you're not childbearing, the general principle is troubling. If some women are second and third class citizens who are not entitled to routine and/or life-saving healthcare, that makes all women second and third class citizens, in my opinion.
And I'm saying all this as a resident of Georgia where abortions are banned after 6 weeks or so. However, it's kind of a moot point for me since there's really nowhere in this country (that I'm aware of) where I'd be free from all forms of persecution and discrimination.
Paladin
(32,354 posts)Contrary to what you see on DU and other news sources, there are lots of Democrats in Texas, and the fights against the forces of darkness are spirited and ongoing. You can trust me on that---I'm a lifelong Texas Democrat.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)They may be too ill or too fragile to move.
Moving is traumatic, even without serious health conditions at play.
Other things could be at work here--more family living near the parents, friends of a lifetime that they can't bear to leave behind, doctors they trust that they don't want to abandon (no guarantee that a new one will care for them so well), and so on.
I know it's tough to believe that someone can have a livable life in Texas (or Florida, or Kansas or...), but, unless it's in the boonies, their lives won't be all that different. The major cities in Texas? You'd hardly know you weren't living in a blue state. So if they're going to live in a major metropolitan area, overall, their life will be on the good side. I've been to all the major cities there, and they're not all that different from any of the other major cities in the country.
Coventina
(29,731 posts)their libraries and turning them into detention centers.
I think that is pretty different from what is going on in blue states.