Florida dog attack leaves 6-year-old boy dead

[Sympthsical]

So . . . since it's apparently common understanding that animals are psychic and know the good humans from the bad . . .

Does someone want to explain what the six year-old did to deserve it? Or nah?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-dog-attack-leaves-6-year-old-boy-dead/

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. DoGs KnOw!!11!!!!!111!!!!!!

[sinkingfeeling]

2. I have had dogs my entire life (until 2018 when my last one passed) and only once did

one bite someone. She was a middle aged Samoyed who was suffering from the cancer that would later lead to her death. My sister's drunk mother-in-law stepped on my dog's cancer-infected leg and she bit out of sheer pain. It wasn't an attack, but she did nip hard enough to draw blood. I was sorry that she did it, but was probably more concerned with the damage to her leg.

[Sky Jewels]

27. Right, but dogs biting people is very, very common.

My neighbor's dog bit me when I was a kid. I had just gone to pet her head, and she saw me approach (meaning it's not like I surprised her). I'd never been told she was prone to biting.

My grandfather's poodle bit my sister on the nose when she was 11. She had to get stitches.

Our current neighbor's dog went up to my son and bit him as he was getting off the school bus. My son hadn't even seen the dog and had never interacted with it. He was wearing a baseball cap, though, and the dog didn't like those. But it had been raised by these people from when it was a puppy and had never been abused.

Some dogs just bite.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

76. Your anecdote is not data

Just because your dogs rarely attacked doesn't mean that other dogs will refrain from it.

I would be glad to email you the pictures of the evidence that my body stills retain after 50 years from a supposedly rare dog attack that I suffered. One that did draw blood. Lots of it. I'm lucky to still have my leg.

[orthoclad]

3. Some people own dogs as weapons

Certain breeds, particular training.

[milestogo]

4. It is never a good idea to leave a dog and a child alone together.

Both are unpredictable.

[Mariana]

11. We don't know if they were left alone together.

The story doesn't say one way or the other. However, there are plenty of examples of dogs attacking children while there were adults present.

[stopdiggin]

5. I mean it's pretty obvious the child's body

had been possessed by evil jinn (or demons, or the devil, or what-have-you)

had to be stopped ...

[niyad]

6. My first question would be about exactly how this dog was trained

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

77. My first question would be

Where were the owners, and why did they not maintain better control an vigilance over a pet in the presence of a child.

[msongs]

7. when a dog has ten bites on its record that's a warning nt

[bamagal62]

8. So, pitbulls should not

Be left alone with children. Full stop.
We had a cafeteria worker at my son’s school that had a pitbull and a toddler. She was home and the pitbull killed the toddler. It was horrific. They are just too unpredictable. There was no reason. He just attacked the baby. For no reason that we know. And she was there. It happened in seconds.

[Abolishinist]

10. There's always this back and forth regarding pit bulls,

are they just being stereotyped or are they, in fact, more dangerous. The stats can support either side, I guess, BUT the following cannot be denied. Whether or not they have more propensity to attack than others, they can inflict more damage.

Pit bull attacks can cause a lot of damage due to their size, strength, and determination. Pit bulls also have an incredibly strong jaw that allows them to clamp down on their target, leading many victims of pit bull bites to say the dog would not let go. Therefore, pit bulls attacks may be reported more often because victims are more severely injured and need medical help.

https://www.dabl.com/cesar-millan/cesar-911/articles/are-pit-bulls-really-dangerous-their-stereotype-suggests

[flvegan]

13. How vague. Share the statistics and the facts, feel free to use your resource.

"they can inflict more damage" based on what?

[pnwmom]

15. Based on the strength of their jaws.

"While some studies have presented reliable data that suggests pit bulls bite and attack more frequently than other dogs, other reputable studies have contradicted this finding by determining that a dog’s breed doesn’t determine its propensity for aggression and that pit bulls are not significantly more aggressive than other dogs. Any dog, including beloved golden retrievers and lap dogs can bite if provoked by the right circumstances. That said, pit bull attacks can cause a lot of damage due to their size, strength, and determination. Pit bulls also have an incredibly strong jaw that allows them to clamp down on their target, leading many victims of pit bull bites to say the dog would not let go. Therefore, pit bulls attacks may be reported more often because victims are more severely injured and need medical help. Meanwhile, if a tiny chihuahua attacked, the dog is too small to cause a lot of damage and any injuries could likely be addressed at home."

https://www.dabl.com/cesar-millan/cesar-911/articles/are-pit-bulls-really-dangerous-their-stereotype-suggests

[Johnny2X2X]

19. Jaw strength isn't that big of a factor IMO

Pitbulls aren't in the top 10 for jaw strength for dog breeds. Something that is hard to quantify is tenacity and the will to take any fight all the way. Pitbulls can go from 0 to 100 immediately in a confrontation and they don't just stop.

Their jaw strength is 235 psi while the top breeds for jaw strength are from 500 to over 700. A Kangal or Cane Corso can literally crush a human's spin with a single bite. with over 700 psi bite forces. But even those fearsome breeds do not possess the tenacity of a pitbull.

Pitbulls can be the greatest dogs and they are probably the easiest to train of any breed. But there are ones bred for bad temperaments and ones trained for aggression. We love our mutt who has American Staff. in her, she is perfect around people and kids, but she is not great around other dogs unless they're willing to let her be the boss.

And the people deaths, deservedly, get all the headlines, but there are thousands of loving pets killed by Pitbulls who got our of their yards or off their leashes every year. Those tragedies deserve mention too. I know of 2 old ladies who watched pitbulls kill their little pups in front of them in separate incidents. Just not OK too.

[DenaliDemocrat]

61. Bullshit.

The science does not back ANY of this. Look at Dr Hecht’s work at Harvard’s Canine Brain Project.

They are predisposed to aggression, have high prey drives, and skip the first 1/2 of the prey cycle.

They have different brain morphology AND neurobiology.

The pit lobby is a cancer.

[LeftInTX]

69. Those other super bully breeds are not as common as pit bulls. Hence, we don't hear as much about

Pit bulls are also strong dogs, not just jaws, but physically. Which also plays a factor in attacks on people.
Pit bulls are everywhere down here. They're the most common dog available for adoption and the most common stray in town. Most are not properly trained either. People get large dogs here and throw them in their backyard and use them as guard dogs etc. And many of these people are lower income and their fences are torn and the dogs get out.

Pit bulls are free here. Doesn't cost a penny to obtain one.

Of course, these dogs are not spayed or neutered.

Last Sunday, I was at the park and two young ladies bring their pit bulls off-leash....SMH

[WhiskeyGrinder]

25. Cesar Millan? Come on.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

51. Cesar Millan

trained Eric Cartman, so there's that.

[Orrex]

41. Just for reference...

Are Pomeranians and Chihuahuas often used as security or enforcement dogs?

Or do the parties that employ dogs in such roles generally choose larger, more muscular dogs? Is it because these powerful animals inflict the same damage as a Pekinese or Corgi?


I did a job today at a site with two Rotweilers, each weighing over 180 pounds. They were friendly (ridiculously so, in fact), but I'd have to guess that "they can inflict more damage" than the two Dachshunds at the site where I worked yesterday.

[flvegan]

54. I'd have to be an absolute idiot to even ask

if Pomeranians and/or Chihuahuas are often used as security or enforcement dogs, regardless of whatever bullshit context was being implied.

Although, an interesting point is raised. Were I a crim, would I make an encroachment on property protected by one doberman or 10 chihuahuas. I'll take the dobie.

I hope you spoke to the owners at that job site you were allegedly at, you know, the one with the two Rotties, each weighing over 180 pounds. Their dogs are either genetic nightmares, morbidly obese, or you're a shitty judge of size and/or breed. But, if you had a scale, weighed them, genetically tested them, and are posting about it, cool.

[Orrex]

57. I like how you called me an idiot and a liar, as if you're neither

And you can stuff “allegedly” up your doghouse, thanks, I have pics, and I can only go with what the owner told me.

Regardless, when you called me an idiot you pretty much admitted that some dogs are capable of causing more harm than others, despite your earlier shocked incredulity.

Dog fetishists are the zaniest. Know how to spot one? Their favorite bullshit tactic is to demand genetic testing when an unfavorable comment is made about their favored breed(s), but they never hold themselves to that same standard when making rose-colored claims about their beloved murder machines. Why the double standard?

[BlackSkimmer]

55. 180 pound Rotts?

Seriously?

Could they walk?

[Orrex]

56. Well, I didn't weigh them, but that's what the owner said

I took a few pics but not really good ones. I’ll see if I can post.

Goofy, affectionate dogs with big smiley grins, and they kept leaning against me the whole time.

Still, I’m sure they could do some damage if they were so inclined.

[BlackSkimmer]

58. Lol, a six foot man weighs 180 or so.

That would be a very large dog, but probably not in a good way.

[Orrex]

66. I'll give you his number and you can take it up with him

All I can tell you is that they were solid muscle. Thumping them on the side was like hitting a barrel of concrete, and they had heads like basketballs.

Regardless, the point is the same. Someone petulantly demanded citations and statistics in support of the obvious reality that some powerful dogs are able to inflict greater harm than less powerful dogs. So even if these robust Rottweilers were “only” 130 or 140 pounds, the fact remains that either would do more harm than a 70 pound Goldendoodle.

[BlackSkimmer]

68. Absolutely agree.

I just hope someone doesn't have dogs that obese.

My parents allowed out German Shepherd to become very obese in her later years unfortunately.

She was a big dog, but still nowhere near that. My sister has a habit of letting her dogs get fat too. I hate that.

Poor things.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

79. They may not be obese, so quite assuming that they are

150 pounds is the *average* for a healthy male Rottie. You do realize that average != maximum weight for a healthy Rottie...

...right?

So some of them can indeed start pushing 180, if they're naturally on the larger side of average.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

78. I dare you to ask this 195lb Rottie's owner that question

Looks a little overweight, but far from obese.

[DenaliDemocrat]

65. Based on the fact they operate in prey drive

Not defense like a good guard or working dog.

They bite to kill - not eliminate a threat. Their brains are both morphologically and biochemically different than other dogs as demonstrated by Dr Hecht’s work at Harvard called The Canine Brain Project.

They have been bred to cycle extremely quickly through the predatory cycle and do not go through orient-eye-stalk-chase-grab-bite-kill-consume and skip the first part an go straight to grab-bite-kill, thus pitbulls attack with no warning or so quickly-you won’t notice it.

Add to that extreme athletic ability and a terriers tenacity and yes - they typically incur much more severe damage.

[GoodRaisin]

14. I watched a pit bull suddenly attack another dog and saw all of that strength, determination and

strong jaw coming together all at once, and he nearly killed the other dog (which was a 60 lb. dog and larger than the Pit) within seconds. It took 3 of us to pull the pit off. Then we had to rush the other dog to surgery to save it from the big bite wound in it’s belly.

After seeing that I would be very nervous for a pit to be around a child.

[leftyladyfrommo]

20. I personally think the American bulldogs are worse.

So many of the dog attacks in Britain are American bulldogs. They are bigger and stronger.

[NowISeetheLight]

26. Facts

From Dogbites.org (and verifiable on other websites). It's hard to imagine two sides to the overwhelming representation on pitbulls in fatal dog attacks.



Good article about the top ten dogs statistically most likely to bite.


https://worldanimalfoundation.org/advocate/dog-bite-statistics/

[CTyankee]

36. Are humans breeding these dogs to be dangerous, both physically and temperamentally?

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

80. Unfortunately

Some unethical modern breeders have always bred a select group of dogs to be larger, stronger and more aggressive. However, historically, that was more the norm than not.

We have to remember that, in the beginning, humans didn't domesticate wolves that became dogs as pals, but for protection and hunting. That's why we didn't get Dobies, Rotties, Pitties, and etc without people wanting dogs who retained some of the "wolf" characteristics like size, power and ferocity. Those qualities and the training techniques that emphasize them, have been on a decline ever since humans starting living together in towns rather than villages. The more urban we've gotten, the more people look for companionship and submissiveness from dogs, rather than their "traditional" roles as workers and protectors. They're still used for those purposes, of course, but not nearly as much as in the past.

[CTyankee]

90. Thank you for that reminder. Of course!

[Mariana]

12. There are plenty of stories of dogs attacking children while adults are present.

[bamagal62]

9. I grew up with a family that the

Oldest son raised pitbulls to kill hogs. He took the dog hog hunting. He would give hm a piece of long rubber line and swing him around to teach him not to let go. It was terrifying to me. They are bred to kill. And, I know they can be sweet and are so cute. But, they have a killing instinct.

[leftyladyfrommo]

16. The problem with pitbulls is that the good ones are

so good. They are all the good things about dogs.

But the bad ones are dangerous and unpredictable and can be horrible.

My friend, the vet, said that people were fed a huge lie. And that was that it's all in the owner. It's always that they had a bad owner.

And it's not true. Genetics Matters. And that's important because genetics can be unpredictable.

[BeckyDem]

18. +1.

[inthewind21]

29. Inbreeding

is a problem as well. And breeders do it all the time.

[DenaliDemocrat]

62. The genetics are VERY predictable

These animals were performance bred for 200 years to attack other animals to the death. “Good ones” are out of standard.

[BeckyDem]

17. Those dogs have a propensity to inflict much more damage.

I know they have their fans, but I am not one of them.

I wish more people understood the risk with dogs like this and it is not just about socializing them and training.

[BlackSkimmer]

21. Funny, haven't seen any of the "dogs know" folks on here to explain what the kid did wrong yet.

Maybe the kid was going to grow up to be a secret service agent?

[XanaDUer2]

23. They were known as Nanny Dogs

I'm afraid of pitts and even those that resemble pitts

[DenaliDemocrat]

63. That is a blatant lie

Pushed by the pit lobby (who get millions of $$$$).

They have only been bred for ONE purpose- fighting.

First bulls and bears - then each other.

They are not and we’re not EVER bred as companions.

[XanaDUer2]

64. Ok nt

[Celerity]

75. +1

That OP of mine certianly went off the rails.

I sort of regret posting it.

[LexVegas]

22. That breed should be banned. nt

[Sky Jewels]

24. Horrific.

A lot of Americans love to disparage cats, but cats don't attack and kill people. I mean, I'm sure that there have some humans that have died from infected cat bites over the centuries, but that's about it.

A lot of dog people love to insist that the only reason dogs attack is if they've been treated badly by humans, but that's simply not true. Sometimes their attack instinct just kicks in.

[BannonsLiver]

30. You seem to have a lot of contempt for "dog people".

[Sky Jewels]

32. I've met a lot of dog people who are very openly rude about cats.

I'm pretty sick of it.

I'm not a dog person, but I wouldn't tell a dog owner "dogs are too annoying" or whatever. A lot of dog people feel no qualms about saying stuff like that to me about cats.

Also, many of them are oblivious about their dogs and let them run off leash, charge people (which is terrifying), jump on them, let the leash extend fully so it blocks people coming the other way on park walking paths, etc. I've seen a lot of bad behavior, and I'm talking human behavior. I've returned (different) escaped dogs to people in my neighborhood a few times and received barely a word of thanks.

I'm not saying all dog people are rude or oblivious. Many are fine and conscientious, etc. But I have had several negative encounters.

[BannonsLiver]

33. Never really saw it as team thing.

Have had both.

[Sky Jewels]

37. It shouldn't be a team thing, but

for some reason, a lot of dog people feel the need to proclaim that they find dogs far superior to cats. They make it into a competitive thing. It's really weird to me.

[BannonsLiver]

43. I'm sure that cuts both ways.

Have known several cat people who absolutely did not like dogs and made that POV clear for many reasons, some of which are similar to your experiences with dog owners. Lots to love about both IMO.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

88. And I've known plenty of dog owners

Like you who treated cat owners with utter contempt.

And when it comes to which animal gets treated worse by the other side, cats by far get the worst of it. The number of reports of cats being tortured and murdered, year to year, always exceeds the numbers of dogs being treated that way.

The mistreatment of cats is so bad and so notorious that every major shelter in the country has to prohibit the adoption of black cats during the Halloween season. That's because people, many of them dog owners, adopt them to torture and murder them.

Let us know when any shelter has to limit entire months that a particular type of dog can be available for adoption because they're at risk of torture and murder from "adopters."

I'll wait.

[BannonsLiver]

89. Another gem.

[MichMan]

38. Cat owners allow their cats to run wild killing birds and walking all over people's cars

Also, many of them are oblivious about their dogs and let them run off leash

This is rich considering this is pretty much what every cat owner does.

[Sky Jewels]

39. Ours are indoors and have a catio.

Cats don’t charge people in parks, either.

[MichMan]

42. What percentage of cats are always leashed when they go outside?

[BannonsLiver]

44. I'd be interested in seeing some data on that

Strictly anecdotal but of the people I know with cats o can think of only one that lets theirs roam outside. When we had our cat it was strictly indoors. Having had a cat that was an indoor-outdoor cat that was killed when I was a kid probably influenced that decision.

[Sky Jewels]

46. I don't know. We and our neighbors all keep our cats inside.

A couple have catios, like us.
One let's their kitty out in their yard only with supervision.

Dogs running off-leash are dangerous to humans. Cats, not so much. That said, I agree that cats should not roam freely, mainly because they're in danger from dogs, coyotes, cars, poison, anti-cat psychopaths, etc. And while they do a service by keeping rodent populations down, they also catch birds.

[orleans]

72. they also kill bunnies

i went stepped onto my back patio one morning to find bunny heads, bunny arms and hands, bunny legs and feet all over my patio and in the grass. it was fucking horrible.

we had cats when i was little; i was highly allergic as it turned out and then i started having asthma attacks. it was the saddest day of my childhood when i had to say goodbye to our mama cat (we rescued her from a shelter & turned out she was pregnant) and her three kittens--i loved them so much (& my mom really loved the mama cat). we never let her outside but she had a favorite spot on the kitchen windowsill.

we got a small dog when i was fifteen & i've had smaller to medium sized dogs ever since.
my mom was afraid of big dogs -- she was attacked by a german shepherd when she was kid. the dog had rabies and she had to get that series of rabie shots in her stomach.

i've had some bad encounters with dogs off leash too which frightened me (even tho i've been a "dog" person most of my life). we never let our dogs go out without a leash (except in the fenced-in backyard) for all the reasons you mentioned (getting attacked by another dog, coyotes, cars, poison) but for two other reasons: 1. we loved them and wanted to keep them safe and make sure they wouldn't run off & 2. there are leash laws.

(sorry for the ramble; thanks for reading)

[LeftInTX]

70. I know very few cat owners who let their cats run loose!

Now there are plenty of feral cats.

San Antonio doesn't pick up stray cats or anything.

[MichMan]

73. They must all live around me I guess

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

86. I'll admit that my cats do go outside without being leashed.

Then again, I don't need to leash them, because they are in a fully enclosed carrier whnever they do leave house. No exceptions.

That's the case with all indoor-only cat owners I'm aware of, and I know far more of them than you ever have or will.

Any more whataboutist bollocks you want to toss out there?

[Happy Hoosier]

71. None of the cat owners I know...

Even allow their cats outside. My cats have always been indoor cats only.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

83. Well, there are plenty of cat owners who do

Let their cats roam free. We all know that.

As a mega-cat lover, I don't hesitate to call those people bad cat owners for it. It's not solely because cats can do plenty of damage (not worse than dogs, but still damage), but because letting them outside puts them at great risk of disease, harm, and even death.

When people ask why my previous sweet girl had been alive so long (she lived to be at least 24), I told them it was solely because I didn't let her outside. When she escaped a scant few times that I could count on my hand, I would put her in the crate for a week, and no treats. Even when we fed/watered her and cleaned out her box, I would put her nemesis the harness and leash on her, not holding her, while Daddy took care of the necessities.

A few goes at crate and meanie harness prison was enough for her to learn that being outside was not worth the loss of mama cuddles, free access of the house, and, most of all, treats.

My current cat doesn't even think about leaving the house, and never has. She doesn't even peek outside when we do open a door, right in front of her. For that and other reasons, it didn't take long for such a well-behaved cat to cement her place in my heart.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

87. And plenty of dog owners do the same

Any more false equivalencies you want to trot out there?

And, no, allowing cats to run wild is not what every cat owner does.

Try not to lie so much when you're grasping at straws to defend your precious mutts.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

81. Some of them have earned it

By dismissing and demeaning the negative experiences some people have had with dogs. What rankles people like me, who are dog attack survivors, is when we are blamed for what a dog has done, no matter how little we did to instigate the attack.

I did nothing to the dog who attacked me but be at the tail end of a bunch of kids running past him when he ate. He turned on me, not on any of the ones ahead of me. But way too many dog owners like you will blame ten-year-old me, who never hurt a dog in her life, for what happened.

That's when dog lovers deserve to be called out as scumbags for their defenses of dogs so fanatical that they are making it clear they prioritize dogs over human life. People who would prioritize a dog over a child don't deserve any pats on the back for acting like our lives mean nothing compared to that of a dog.

Far--*FAR*--too many dog people act just like you are now when confronted with the dangers of dogs. So if you hate not-dog-people so much that you'll defend vicious dogs over human lives, don't expect any love in return.

Welcome to reality.

[BannonsLiver]

82. I think maybe you're a little over invested.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

84. And you're not?

You're the one chastising people who can be justified in not being fond of dogs, and acting like there's something wrong with us for it.

You're valuing dogs over humans. That's a textbook case of over-invested.

[BannonsLiver]

28. Looks like the 2023 edition of DU Dog Wars have started!

[Xavier Breath]

31. Seems like there should be a parade and food trucks for this.

With participants providing their own fireworks

[BannonsLiver]

35. Yes, if someone posted a jpeg of Petey from Little Rascals it's likely to start a riot.

[LuckyCharms]

50. I shouldn't laugh considering the subject, but

[Coventina]

34. The article gives no information on the circumstances. The circumstances are crucial.

I have found, in reading these stories that there are always circumstances that caused the attack.

Dogs don't attack for "no reason."
To the dog, their attack is very reasonable.

I can list what are possible reasons this dog attacked this child:

1. The child was actively hurting the dog, and the dog was acting in self defense
2. The dog has been given information that indicates the child is a threat to the dog (this requires seeing the family dynamic through the dog's eyes, something a lot of dog owners don't bother to do)
3. The child was threatening the dog's food or water dishes / access (again, self-defense on the dog's part)
4. The dog was being starved / mistreated and saw the child with food

In dog attacks against members of its family, one of the four above situations is nearly ALWAYS the cause.
Too many owners don't bother to try and understand how dogs see the world.

1. Don't ever let your child hurt your dog. Your dog is like any other creature, it will act in self defense when it feels threatened.
2. Make it clear to your dog that all human family members outrank him/her. Always supervise small children around dogs. THIS INCLUDES SMALL DOGS!!!
3. Have the child responsible to feed / water the dog as soon as they can be responsible for it. Then the dog recognizes that the child is their source of nourishment and will treat them accordingly.
4. Never abuse your dog!!

[MichMan]

40. The OP is in response to a post about the president's dog biting SS agents 10x

A number of posters said the agents deserved it because dogs just didn't like them and had a sixth sense they were evil. Dogs only bite bad people.

The OP is asking what the 6 year old child did that made them bad to deserve being bitten

[Coventina]

47. Commander and this situation have nothing in common with each other, as far as I can tell.

We don't know what the dynamic was between the child and dog in this case.

Was the child bad? I don't know. It's entirely possible that the child was acting in a way that the dog saw as a threat.
You can't expect dogs to understand that children are "sacred" and should not be attacked in any circumstances.
That attitude is stupid and puts both children and dogs in danger.

[MichMan]

48. The child didn't get nipped, he was killed by the dog

You appear to believe that the child may have deserved it.

[Coventina]

49. From the dog's point of view, the child did.

From our point of view, of course not!

You can't expect the dog to understand human values.
Anyone who makes that illogical leap should not have a dog.

[Celerity]

74. +1

[sarisataka]

45. Dogs know...

So I've been told

[BlackSkimmer]

59. Lol, did Shrub's dog ever bite him?

Or the senior Bush? Do you think they know how we vote?

Nah. Never happened.

But yeah, we've been told.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

52. sad

[Bayard]

53. There are many reasons a dog will bite you

I've been seriously bitten a few times. I totally understood why both times. One was a dog we had when I was a kid. He was tied all the time except when we were taking him for a walk. He did not like being tied, and we were too stupid to know better. I was tying him back up after a walk, and he nailed my wrist. Still have the scar. He also bit my sister, and my Dad, all tying him back up. You'd think we'd have figured out the problem.

The second time was by one of the Pyr's we have now. He can be a, "fear biter," which I suspect is why a goodly percentage of bites occur. Our guy was a rescue from the Humane Society, who had been abused. Soon after we adopted him, I had grabbed his collar for some reason, don't even remember why, and he grabbed my hand. Released it right away. Given the circumstances he came from, I never blamed him for having a flashback. He blossomed into a very loving, well-behaved pupster (currently laying by my chair.)

You never know what some dog's trigger might be, especially if you don't know their early history.

[DenaliDemocrat]

60. Because the prey cycle in pitbulls

Has been eliminated or shortened from orient>eye>stalk>chase>grab>bite>kill>consume.

They skip it all and go straight to grab>bite>kill.

They operate in prey drive and do NOT discern. Anything can trigger their extreme prey drive.

The prey cycle has been selectively bred by humans to produce herding, retrieving, and pointing dogs as well as sight and scent hounds. It is easy to manipulate.

Yes - it’s genetic.

[ripcord]

67. Dogs know