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PlutosHeart

(1,369 posts)
Sun Jul 30, 2023, 08:33 PM Jul 2023

Saddened after a friend reveals her love for Orange person and

Last edited Sun Jul 30, 2023, 10:25 PM - Edit history (1)

RFK Jr.
Yesterday was a tough day because my husband had an emergency hospital visit. Some friends stepped forward to DM me on FB in support but two of them went totally off the rails in the convo. I will skip the one where she believed about Dems killing babies and that their guns will be taken away because the Dems are dismantling the Constitution. I know. Right?

But the more concerning one to me was from another person who hobnobs with several professional teachers in varying new ageish, Alt medical/combined medical and psych types, etc... (some well known), and tribal people and will soon be seeing D Haaland with some others. Is this what some are thinking???? Correct info if you know also or add to it. Here are her points.

-Our federal structures are near complete collapse toward Leninist authoritarian communism since WWII. RFK Jr is not wrong. Since 9/11 the Patriot Act suspended the Constitution. It's how psychopath Fauci got away with manufacturing disease for forty years.

-He has successfully sued Monsanto, the EPA, and other federal agencies for negligence. He lost his voice as a side effect of the flu vaccine twenty years ago. If you only knew that vaccine technology was deregulated and all legal liability was suspended by Reagan and Fauci in 1985 so the pharmaceutical industry no longer has to make "immunizations" safe.

-Fauci's policies allowed vaccine manufacturers to alter routine immunization serums? You have to dig for this shit. RFK has the hard drives from the researchers that Fauci illegally jailed censored and financially ruined in the biotech industry.

-The corrupt neocons built the RNC and DNC in lockstep progression. That's why we have career politicians having strokes, incontinence, mobility and cognitive issues. Dianne Feinstein case in point. When was being a politician a career choice until death? It's called imperial gerontocracy at taxpayer expense. DC is a nursing home.

-So you favor Koch Industries, Rockefeller Foundation and the Bilderbergs who taught FDR for corporate control? (NICE HUH?) Trump may be crude but he is not wrong. Kennedy is a centrist and brilliantly is trying corruption in the public forum. Both Parties are corrupt.

-Kennedy sued Canada on behalf of First Nations tribal people for their treaty rights. That is how the boarding school murders and genocides were exposed.

-Both the DNC and RNC are enacting dangerous AI surveillance to remove your right to be human. What do you think Silicon Valley's federal funding was for? It was granted by the MIC sanctioned by the CIA.

-Both Orange man and JFK Jr. are "outsiders" and truth tellers.


😱I felt I had to let two people go yesterday who I have communicated with for years. But there was no reasoning with them.

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Saddened after a friend reveals her love for Orange person and (Original Post) PlutosHeart Jul 2023 OP
That is the MOMFUDSKI Jul 2023 #1
TFG has destroyed this country, plus bluestarone Jul 2023 #2
He did good work on the environment PlutosHeart Jul 2023 #3
He & his team won first Monsanto non hodgkins lymphomia case - opening it up for thousands of cases womanofthehills Jul 2023 #4
Too bad he didn't stick with his environmental work. yardwork Jul 2023 #5
That is where he shines. PlutosHeart Jul 2023 #6
He is still an environmental lawyer representing over 1000 people in East Palestine womanofthehills Jul 2023 #8
over 1000 people? progressoid Jul 2023 #13
Suspect there may be PlutosHeart Jul 2023 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2023 #7
Losing his voice due to a flu shot is another one of his delusions. ShazzieB Jul 2023 #9
And school shootings are caused by Prozac. progressoid Jul 2023 #11
Every one of these peddlers of woo evil ExWhoDoesntCare Jul 2023 #12
It is sad and also a dichotomy PlutosHeart Jul 2023 #16
Stick with people canetoad Jul 2023 #10
I am rural PlutosHeart Jul 2023 #15
Yeah progressoid Jul 2023 #14
I can't believe "friends" would take the opportunity on social media to spread their garbage Boomerproud Jul 2023 #18

PlutosHeart

(1,369 posts)
3. He did good work on the environment
Sun Jul 30, 2023, 09:45 PM
Jul 2023

and that I feel should be commended but part of him has gone off the rails. Even if he claims to have no party he should not then align his time, wrong facts, and money support from them. He has scooped up some well-meaning followers and inadvertently turned them into MAGA-like people of a different strand.

I was sad to have such vitriol thrown at me. I left out the worst personal comments.

womanofthehills

(8,913 posts)
4. He & his team won first Monsanto non hodgkins lymphomia case - opening it up for thousands of cases
Sun Jul 30, 2023, 10:39 PM
Jul 2023
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wins historic $290 million case against giant Monsanto and Roundup weed-killer
Environmental lawyer, the son of the late U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy and nephew President John F. Kennedy, and his team, have won a historic case claiming the product likely caused the cancer of their client.


https://www.irishcentral.com/news/robert-f-kennedy-case-monsanto-roundup-weed-killer

yardwork

(62,042 posts)
5. Too bad he didn't stick with his environmental work.
Sun Jul 30, 2023, 10:45 PM
Jul 2023

His antisemitism and homophobia is disgusting. He's caused great harm promoting his foolish lies about vaccines.

PlutosHeart

(1,369 posts)
6. That is where he shines.
Sun Jul 30, 2023, 11:27 PM
Jul 2023

In his environmental and related work.

But there seemed to be a turning point where he started to add conspiracy and distort facts.
There are portions of things that may have small merit but as a whole fall not only flat and wrong but do contain hate elements on top of that.

Why throw away a legacy of good and a family name over nurturing the appearance of false claims and causing harm and hate?

womanofthehills

(8,913 posts)
8. He is still an environmental lawyer representing over 1000 people in East Palestine
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 01:00 AM
Jul 2023

He’s representing those injured & unable to return to their houses after the Norfolk Southern East Palestine train derailment

progressoid

(50,131 posts)
13. over 1000 people?
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 02:35 AM
Jul 2023

The article I saw said he partnered with a firm that represents "several families."

Translation: A law firm is paying him for his name recognition in their lawsuit representing a dozen or so people.

Response to PlutosHeart (Original post)

ShazzieB

(16,985 posts)
9. Losing his voice due to a flu shot is another one of his delusions.
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 01:24 AM
Jul 2023

I won't say it's a lie, because I think he probably believes it, but it's based on nothing but unfounded supposition. It's actually a pretty good example of how his conspiracy addled mind works. Here's a quote from a story NBC News ran about him in June:

His voice is gravelly and strained. It’s gotten progressively worse since the ’90s when Kennedy was diagnosed with spasmodic dysphonia, a rare neurological disorder that causes his larynx to tighten uncontrollably and his voice to halt and tremor.

But today, it sounds stronger than it has in years — a result of a recent surgery in Kyoto, Japan, Kennedy says, which implanted a titanium bridge between his vocal folds.

The cause of spasmodic dysphonia isn’t known; researchers think it might be genetic, or a leftover disability from a respiratory infection, or even stress.

Kennedy, though, suspects a flu vaccine may be to blame. “I haven’t been able to figure out any other cause,” he told a podcaster in 2021.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/rfk-jr-anti-vaccine-push-white-house-rcna89470

So yeah, he thinks and has told people a flu shot caused his vocal problems, but he has absolutely no evidence of that; he just "[hasn't] been able to figure out any other cause" (for a condition hat has no known cause that experts have been able to identify and agree on). Sounds really convincing to me!

It's my understanding that he did do some worthwhile things in the field of environmental law, but that's so beside the point. It certainly doesn't give him a lifetime pass to be a conspiracy spreading crackpot with no consequences.

I'm really sorry about what happened with your FB friends, but it sounds like you made the right choice. It's awful to watch people you've previously known to be sensible and sane get sucked into the vortex of conspiracy theories and misinformation.
 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
12. Every one of these peddlers of woo evil
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 02:18 AM
Jul 2023

Adhere to the Argument from Ignorance, where they assert something is true (or false) because no evidence exists that it's not true (or false).

When sane people don't know the answer to something, especially when no evidence exists to determine X about it one way or another, they do the intellectually honest thing and say, "I don't know." But not these stupid gits. They'll make something up, then say you can't show that it's not true because there's no evidence that it's not. What these evil little morons always forget is that there's no evidence for what they assert, either, and the burden of proof is on them to provide that evidence.

Until they do, they need to STFD and STFU.

PlutosHeart

(1,369 posts)
16. It is sad and also a dichotomy
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 03:58 AM
Jul 2023

because you can see his extensive environmental causes. If they are even really totally true on Wiki at the moment. Or not exaggerated some of them.

I personally think he is not well because it seems like a split screen.

canetoad

(17,297 posts)
10. Stick with people
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 01:42 AM
Jul 2023

You know in person. The ones who are there when you need practical assistance.

FB friends are just that FB 'friends'. OK to have (zillions of them) just don't rely on them to be there when you need them.

PlutosHeart

(1,369 posts)
15. I am rural
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 03:55 AM
Jul 2023

with no family or real friends so that is pretty much all I have sort of. A handful of past real person to person ones but only online now.

But these two were pretty long ones online and spoke on the phone a couple of times. So it was a shock to see how they had devolved.

progressoid

(50,131 posts)
14. Yeah
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 02:40 AM
Jul 2023

When my father was hospitalized with covid, I found out a childhood friend had gone off the deep end. The last message he sent me was about doctors and Fauci being murderers and other crazy stuff. I didn't respond. That was two years ago. I will probably never speak to him again. No loss. I don't need that bullshit in my life.

Boomerproud

(8,045 posts)
18. I can't believe "friends" would take the opportunity on social media to spread their garbage
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 04:42 AM
Jul 2023

while pretending to be concerned for you and your husband. I would be boiling.

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