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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,996 posts)
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 08:33 AM Jul 2023

J.D. Vance's new immigration bill would take a wrecking ball to the economy

J.D. Vance, an Ohio Republican, has proposed a radical new immigration policy, which, if adopted, would likely trigger a plunge in U.S. visits from many foreign nationals — unless they happen to be well-off. While Vance’s extremist bill has no real hope of becoming law, his promotion of it signals how far the nativist right is willing to go to attack the idea of immigration itself.


Released Thursday, Vance’s Timely Departure Act would require foreign nationals hoping to enter the U.S. on temporary visas to pay between $5,000 and $15,000 in a bond or cash payment to the Department of Homeland Security. They would then get that sum back only if they exit the U.S. in accordance with the terms of their visas. The idea is that the policy would deter visitors from overstaying their visas, which is a key contributor to the undocumented immigrant population in the U.S. (It should be noted, though, that overstays represent a very small percentage of expected departures — less than 2 percent in 2019). There would be exceptions for some temporary visas, such as diplomatic visas, as well as for foreign nationals enrolled in the Visa Waiver Program.

As Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, the policy director for the American Immigration Council, noted, this policy would require many "coming on most nonimmigrant visas — including tourists, students, business visitors, religious workers, air and marine crew workers, and more” to pay at least $5,000 every time they want to enter the country.

Such a policy would take a wrecking ball to America’s economic and cultural life. Requiring tourists, students and businesspeople to scrounge up thousands of dollars to visit the U.S. even briefly would lock out huge swaths of visitors because the cost would be prohibitive. The U.S. is the most affluent country in the world, and, even so, most Americans don’t have the financial bandwidth to take on even a $400 surprise expense without taking on debt. Now make that expense many times higher and charge it to people from countries with mostly lower income ranges. The fact that people would get their money back at departure doesn’t address the issue that most people around the world don't have access to big sums of cash or to substantial credit. The result would be that the U.S. would become an impossible travel destination for many and an undesirable travel destination for others.

It’s not just that business meetings would relocate and tourism would decline, it would also reshape shipping, logistics and aviation. “Imagine the outcry among airlines and shipping companies if they have to pony up tens of thousands of dollars of cash every time a crew member” entered, said Reichlin-Melnick. “You’d see airlines pulling out of the U.S. market, and more.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/j-d-vance-s-new-immigration-bill-would-take-a-wrecking-ball-to-the-economy/ar-AA1eAbbV

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J.D. Vance's new immigration bill would take a wrecking ball to the economy (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Jul 2023 OP
Pay to play. GOP think tanks have their guy to propose only allowing the wealthy into the US. Freethinker65 Jul 2023 #1
5000 to visit family? WTF JCMach1 Jul 2023 #2
It would depend on the bond. Igel Jul 2023 #5
He never should have been pushed into office Diamond_Dog Jul 2023 #3
Hey Travel & Tourism Industry JustAnotherGen Jul 2023 #4
What better indication of a police state then having to pay bail to visit... Wounded Bear Jul 2023 #6
Nativist and xenophobic red meat to keep the attack dogs fed. nt Hortensis Jul 2023 #7
One thing that I hate about discussions like these around immigrants Mad_Machine76 Jul 2023 #8
the industry that relies on undocumented (Agriculture, meat packing, construction, Restaurants) BlueWaveNeverEnd Jul 2023 #10
What an idiot. NotVeryImportant Jul 2023 #9

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
1. Pay to play. GOP think tanks have their guy to propose only allowing the wealthy into the US.
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 09:10 AM
Jul 2023

Vance would deport his poor Appalachian family relatives and friends from the US if he was told to do so.

Surprised he wasn't convinced to propose a Visa surcharge based upon the melanin in one's skin for prospective visitors. Everyone would get their money back when they leave, so more incentive to certain visitors.

Igel

(37,613 posts)
5. It would depend on the bond.
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 10:45 AM
Jul 2023

Back in the '80s a church woman hosted a student from France. Had to personally guarantee that he'd leave when his visa expired, be responsible for his food, shelter, and any medical costs. If he'd bailed, she would have been hurting.

Diamond_Dog

(41,049 posts)
3. He never should have been pushed into office
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 09:24 AM
Jul 2023

He has no political experience, no understanding of government and is a brainwashed ass kisser.

What a waste. We could have had Tim Ryan ….

Mad_Machine76

(25,005 posts)
8. One thing that I hate about discussions like these around immigrants
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 10:57 AM
Jul 2023

is that, if we need them so badly to help with our economy (and I'm not suggesting we don't or shouldn't), why aren't we making it easier for them to become citizens and if we're not, aren't we basically admitting that we're allowing them to be exploit them so that they can do jobs the everybody else supposedly "doesn't want to do"?

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,996 posts)
10. the industry that relies on undocumented (Agriculture, meat packing, construction, Restaurants)
Mon Jul 31, 2023, 06:58 PM
Jul 2023

need them in a state of weakness with respect to wages and work conditions. Legal citizens would NEVER work that hard for those low wages. In 2008, when the economy was in freefall and unemployment was high, a farmer spoke about trying to higher Americans.... no one lasted ... the work was too hard and required moving, living in bunk house, etc..

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