Some day this Trump war is going to end

[liberalmediaaddict]

To borrow a quote from "Apocalypse Now" some day the war on American democracy started by Donald Trump and his supporters 8 years ago is going to end.

Either in 1 year or 5 years.

Even if the doomsday scenario happens and he is elected President again. He can only serve one more term.

God willing the more likely end to Trump's reign of terror is that he loses the general election to President Biden in 2024.

He is then convicted by juries of multiple felonies in Manhattan, Miami and hopefully DC and Fulton County. And sentenced to what would effectively be life in prison. Not to mention the dozens of civil lawsuits that could bankrupt him.

At that point he'll be a 80 year old convicted felon in financial ruin. And his biggest fear will be a reality: to go down in history as the biggest LOSER in US politics. 3 time loser of the popular vote, twice impeached, convicted of trying to defraud the United States government, etc.

Either way Trump and his christofascist cult aren't going to be in our faces forever. I just hope to live to see the day he and his supporters are swept into the dustbin of history like the Nazis and confederacy.

[RussBLib]

1. I do look forward to those days

Meanwhile, we all need to do what we can to hasten those days.

[Elessar Zappa]

2. I tend to agree.

Call me an optimist but I think the fever will break sooner rather than later.

[doc03]

3. There are too many Trump spawn, it may not end with him. nt

[WarGamer]

4. Ummm... no. Let me explain.

For the last 50 years or so...

The Republican Party has been a conglomeration of different groups with enough related interests that combined they make an electable force.

Post WW2 you had the anti-Communists and the hawks and the economic free marketeers and yes, the bigots and the racist Democrats who jumped ship aka "Dixiecrats"

The Vietnam War sharpened the divide between the right and left... hippies and straights. Racism was alive and well... as the GOP longed for the 50's

Enter Reagan and the coalition changed a bit... it became more white and Christian... richer and the Reagan and Pappy Bush lit the fire for neoconservatism... after the collapse of the USSR, the neocons were barking at the moon.

Then... after Reagan... something happened. The GOP voter that dutifully trudged off to vote in every election realized that the Party was led by people who just wanted to conquer the world and protect their wealth from the plebes.

Enter folks like Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanan...

That was the birth of the populist movement in the GOP... and slowly favor turned against the blue blooded country club Republicans.

9-11 was a rebirth of "Patriotism" and war mongering for the GOP but soon after, the populists came back out again and turned against Bush and the Iraq War...

Then Obama was elected, Obamacare...

And in an epic jerk of the knee, Trump was elected because he managed to hate the same people as the GOP electorate, turn against the neocons and warmongers, uniting the Christians, Bigots, rich folks and the people who usually vote R.

Trump didn't start this. He was the poster child FOR the movement.

Move past Trump and they'll find Trump v2.0 but with better optics and twice the IQ.

[ProfessorGAC]

7. My Only Objection To An Otherwise....

...terrific post is that you left out the cult of personality.
It's not that easy to reproduce that visceral connection the cult followers have for their "leader".
It goes beyond charisma. I just don't see another generating this level of "no matter what, he's our guy".
So, they could find a 2.0, even with better optics & twice the IQ (How hard would that be?) but I don't think the intensity is reproducible.

[WarGamer]

12. yeah... you got me there!! A slate of boring morons in line after Trump.

[ProfessorGAC]

13. They Wouldn't Even Have To Boring

But, for swing voters who, in '16, did the something different might not buy crazy anymore.
So, boring or charismatic, the connection seems unlikely to be reproducible.

[WarGamer]

14. IMHO...

Even if Trump dropped out and put 100% support behind DeSantis or Haley or Vivek (forgot his last name) they'd lose in a landslide.

[ProfessorGAC]

15. I Tend To Agree (nt)

[stuck in the middle]

16. That something was 1996 IIRAIRA and the Wall

Then... after Reagan... something happened.

Before the early 1990s, there was no wall.

The last amnesty was in 1986, under Reagan. Back then, Republicans didn’t want to burn down to the ground the very same system that worked so well for them.

1996 was the year I met my wife (who comes from an illegal culture going back centuries after running away from their masters) and after getting married the following year they tried to kick us out of the country, with a 10 year ban on even applying for re-entry, just because they didn’t like who I married.

This is the law that led directly to tfg. It is still in effect, today, and needs to be repealed, if we don’t want to see a repeat of tfg.

The disastrous, forgotten 1996 law that created today's immigration problem

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/28/11515132/iirira-clinton-immigration

The law that broke US immigration

[Irish_Dem]

5. If Trump gets elected, his plan is to stay as long as he wants in the WH.

[B.See]

9. Exactly. He'd already made that perfectly clear during his first O. Office occupation.

[Irish_Dem]

10. Yes on more than one occasion.

Welcome to DU!

[bigtime]

6. Republican anti-democratic attitudes and actions go back a long ways

Nixon’s plumbers’ break-in of Democratic HQ, the 2000 election with the Brooks Bros Riot and Bush vs Gore, to name a few examples. It’s baked into their authoritarian bent, and they get bolder with each attempt. Maybe if there are big consequences this time they’ll become circumspect for a time, but ultimately they’ll try again. Sorry to dump water on your optimism, but this won’t die with dumpy.

[Silent3]

8. "He can only serve one more"? Hah!

Whether he'll be successful at it or not, or stay alive long enough for it to matter, Trump has no intention of allowing mere Constitutional limits to stand in his way again.

He will cause ENORMOUS damage to our democracy in one term, quite possibly irrevocable.

If Trump wins he's likely to have no successor other than a different Republican dictator, with our votes been rendered powerless to change that.

[Poiuyt]

11. The war against Trump won't end until after he dies

I thought he'd go away after 2020, but he just sucks the air out of every news cycle

[liberalmediaaddict]

17. Totally agree

Trump is a singular, unique threat to America. Because he is incapable of shame and has no conscience.

Just think of everything he's put this country through. He's an agent of chaos.

He'll gladly burn the country to the ground so he can rule over its ashes. No other MAGA Republican is as sociopathic as Trump. Until he is gone the nation will not be able to heal.

Aa long as he's allowed to hold rallies, run for President and terrorize innocent people on social media our democracy will remain under attack.