Judge said No Crimes and no witness tampering, place your day when he will violate that?

[Smackdown2019]

Not a Las Vegas Bet, but for fun, place your guess when he will violate the Judges Order....


I say 14 days from now.....

[MOMFUDSKI]

1. Saturday.

I believe he has a rally Saturday. So Saturday.

[lisa58]

2. You mean he hasn't already????

My favorite part of today’s arraignment- he’ll be walking on eggshells and he’s not very graceful

[calimary]

3. He might try to get a surrogate to do it for him.

To give himself “plausible deniability”.

He’ll try his favorite tricks, and more. He’ll try anything he thinks might work.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

28. Even if he tries to get a third party involved

The judge can still find him guilty for witness tampering. The relevant statute says that it's witness tampering to *cause* anyone to withhold testimony, fail to appear in court, destroy evidence and etc can still face witness tampering charges.

So it doesn't matter if it's second or third hand. You're still the cause of tampering with a witness, even if you get someone else to make the contact to do it.

[calimary]

30. Good!

[drray23]

4. Saturday or Sunday.

two rallies scheduled this weekend.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

5. By the weekend.

"Lock the fucker up!" is what my husband would say.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. Witness tampering can be done privately. But for him to NOT attack someone publicly who he KNOWS

has turned on him, is near impossible...

2 days

He may think getting arrested now might help him.

[Captain Zero]

7. Soon. He can't help himself.

and then things get worse for him.

[niyad]

8. noon tomorrow

[dweller]

9. Today

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Judge said he should not try to influence a juror … and he blabbed after release about how unfair even being brought to trial he was being treated.

LOCK HIM UP !

For example: https://m.

Anyone at this point in time, is a potential juror … are his words meant to influence them ?
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[Mr.Bill]

10. I think the important thing is

not when he does it, but what happens to him because of it. Probably not much.

[emulatorloo]

16. Judge said you could be held until your trial. I think if he gets caught witness tampering

Something could happen to him. Another criminal charge at the least.

[Gore1FL]

11. I need to better understand what qualifies as witness tampering.

It his social media posts count, he'll likely violate it before the sun rises.

[onenote]

19. It requires a lot more than some of the posts assume

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

25. Indeed, but if anyone's capable of crossing the line

Into legit tampering, it's this dirtball.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

24. You're in luck!

The federal government has defined what witness tampering entails in 18 U.S. Code § 1512. You can read it here:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512

[Gore1FL]

27. I appreciate that.

But it doesn't explain the specific nuiance of where threats and intent can be assumed and where they cannot.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

29. You're making too big of a deal about intent

Anyone's intent can be inferred from their actions.

Tell you what: If you see a guy standing on a street corner having multiple contacts with druggies and known drug dealers, and is seen carrying a bunch of vials of crack along with a bunch of small bills, do you really need to get inside his head to know he's intending to sell drugs?

Of course not. You know his intent by the things he's done. It's obvious he intended to sell drugs.

If TFG tampers with a witness, then Jack Smith knows that was his intent, because he tampered with a witness, as per the definition in the law. You don't do that if you don't intend to do it.

Everyone needs to stop making a big deal about intent, as if it's some grand mystery. In courtrooms, it's not. Prosecutors string up tens of thousands of criminals every single day, without even thinking about contacting a shrink about intent. It never even enters their mind to worry about intent.

Because with most actions, your intent is clear when you do them.

[captain queeg]

12. About time he's facing a tough judge

It’s so unfair. Being treated worse than anyone in history, blah blah. I wonder if that kind of rhetoric will be considered as an effort to influence possible jurists or witnesses.

[Chainfire]

13. He won't make it through the weekend unless his staff has him drugged, gagged and bound.

The real question is what will the judge do when he violates her demands.

[EndlessWire]

17. This judge (not the magistrate)

will probably throw his ass in jail. But, it depends on what he threatens. If he calls for violence, I don't think that will be tolerated.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

26. I have a feeling he'll have a leash

With some slack in it, but not an infinite amount.

With a first incident (or two), it will depend on how egregious the tampering is. If it's borderline, she'll do a wrist slap. But if it's egregious, she'll probably swat him down. She seems too no-nonsense to tolerate him pushing her buttons.

I do think he's just frightened enough of her to do something borderline that first time, to test where the boundaries or her weaknesses are. After that, he'd push the envelope, again to test her. Watch what she does if he's committed not a first, but a *second* foray into a gray area of witnesses tampering. That will tell us how much slack is in the judge's leash.

[Chainfire]

31. I don't think that the man can be kept on a leash.

When he gets his lips all 'aflapping at the rallies, what little brain he has goes into neutral and the words just flow. In fact, he may use that as a defense!

[Tree Lady]

14. After his first rally

He won't be able to keep his mouth shut.

[Retrograde]

15. When's his next rally? (n/t)

[greatauntoftriplets]

18. Tomorrow.

[beveeheart]

20. Tomorrow

[EnergizedLib]

21. Uh, what?

What did he do for you to bestow such generosity on him, to have such faith, that he can go 14 days without doing do a thing?

[Fullduplexxx]

22. he should already be in jail awaiting trial, like this judge is any different

i like the tough talk though

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

23. And my first reaction is

"What, he hasn't done it already?"

Because I expect him to do it much sooner than I do later.