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IcyPeas

(25,475 posts)
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 10:02 PM Aug 2023

Adam Schiff tweet re Broadcasting trump trial

Transparency will be crucial in the trials of the U.S. v. Donald J. Trump.

It’s why dozens of my colleagues joined me today in urging that these proceedings be broadcast for the public.

If the American people are to accept the outcome, it will be vitally important for them to witness, as directly as possible, the full facts and evidence.





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Adam Schiff tweet re Broadcasting trump trial (Original Post) IcyPeas Aug 2023 OP
TY & Adam Schiff! Cha Aug 2023 #1
I don't care... brooklynite Aug 2023 #2
I respectfully do not think it should be televised nakocal Aug 2023 #3
Great point chicoescuela Aug 2023 #5
I agree but for different reasons I think. Fox will always Fox. Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #8
I don't think that's a concern, as Trump would not take the stand Tarc Aug 2023 #11
He wouldn't have to. I wasn't even thinking of him on the stand, Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #15
He can do plenty of damage to the case ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #38
Right on EmmaLee E Aug 2023 #62
What about a radio broadcast?? Captain Zero Aug 2023 #16
I think that's a very good option. Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #24
But televising it might lure tfg into insisting on testifying. And if he testifies, he'll lie, and allegorical oracle Aug 2023 #66
That is a good point. That's a plausible outcome, but I don't think Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #70
But live, continuous broadcast orthoclad Aug 2023 #10
Fox will not carry it live. nakocal Aug 2023 #18
True. Like with the House hearings. orthoclad Aug 2023 #19
They're already going to do that no matter what, as you yourself say. Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #22
But they'll edit that, too. orthoclad Aug 2023 #25
Yeah, they will. That's why FOX has nothing to do with what Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #37
I still personaly prefer text orthoclad Aug 2023 #51
Oh come on ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #39
Playing to the camera could sink him orthoclad Aug 2023 #50
Fox would do that, but if other networks ran full gavel gavel coverage AdamGG Aug 2023 #26
I think you make an excellent argument for why it *should* be televised. Bucky Aug 2023 #30
THe problem isn't Fox ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #41
He has over a tenth of a billion followers/lovers DontBelieveEastisEas Aug 2023 #47
agree republianmushroom Aug 2023 #4
100% agree with this. Fear of FOX reaction is no excuse for not doing the right thing now. nt Hekate Aug 2023 #6
So sad that decent Americans BOSSHOG Aug 2023 #7
I think he's absolutely right. Native Aug 2023 #9
The objections form DU'ers to televising the trial are rather silly Tarc Aug 2023 #12
100% agree! ShazzieB Aug 2023 #33
Thank you for the gift link, ShazzieB. thatcrowwoman Aug 2023 #64
Broadcasting it would more likely attract viewers who are on the fence, not his hardcore base. Most allegorical oracle Aug 2023 #67
How about a single "official" camera orthoclad Aug 2023 #13
I also think it should be broadcast visually Jarqui Aug 2023 #14
Well here's the letter... FakeNoose Aug 2023 #17
I stand with the signatories on this one. No excuses. thatcrowwoman Aug 2023 #58
C-span it. madamesilverspurs Aug 2023 #20
That's what I suddenly thought going the single camera route electric_blue68 Aug 2023 #21
Good idea. Amaryllis Aug 2023 #27
Not everyone has access to C-SPAN. nt allegorical oracle Aug 2023 #68
100% needs to be televised... around 200 million interested parties. WarGamer Aug 2023 #23
Globally, audience could be billions AdamGG Aug 2023 #29
giggles... you finally got your top rated show, Donny!!!!! WarGamer Aug 2023 #31
Yeah feed the ego of a malignant narcissist ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #42
Who would have te power of deciding to televise it? AdamGG Aug 2023 #28
That's a great question. It might be up to the judge. Bucky Aug 2023 #32
The judge decides what happens in her courtroom ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #43
Do you think that no cameras in the courtroom means intrepidity Aug 2023 #52
I think that cameras in the courtroom means AdamGG Aug 2023 #55
The judge can't violate the regulation. former9thward Aug 2023 #59
He is 100% spot on! arthritisR_US Aug 2023 #34
I understand why people would want it ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #35
Aren't cameras banned in all federal courtrooms? NYC Liberal Aug 2023 #36
Rule 53 stands until the Judicial Conference of the U.S. decides it doesn't. LudwigPastorius Aug 2023 #40
This is historical value, we've paid for. Bluethroughu Aug 2023 #44
Would love to see his Colonel Jessup moment... Wounded Bear Aug 2023 #45
I sense a bit of fear in the responses here. Transparency is almost always the better way. Handler Aug 2023 #46
Sad part is MAGA's can watch the whole thing.... Lady Freedom Returns Aug 2023 #48
I initially thought it would be a bad idea too because of trumps love for any and all publicity IcyPeas Aug 2023 #49
Only 38 Democrats signed the letter. former9thward Aug 2023 #61
Probably because they are all on recess until September BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #63
If the downside of televising is that it can provide material for film alterations, then housecat Aug 2023 #53
No, this is America. The prosecutor does not decide what the court will do. former9thward Aug 2023 #60
yes yes but he could persuade the court housecat Aug 2023 #69
Absolutely. Like they did with the OJ trial. LiberalFighter Aug 2023 #54
I wish they would broadcast it, must see TV n/t Beringia Aug 2023 #56
Obviously Schiff has been bought Geechie Aug 2023 #57
Ab-so-freaking-lutely.... MiHale Aug 2023 #65
K&R Blue Owl Aug 2023 #71
+1000 Duppers Aug 2023 #72
Umm BWdem4life Aug 2023 #73
Televise it gavel to gavel. Too much shit goes on now behind closed doors as it is. Jack-o-Lantern Aug 2023 #74

nakocal

(625 posts)
3. I respectfully do not think it should be televised
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 10:15 PM
Aug 2023

But it should be filmed. If it is televised than fox news will cut and paste the testimony to change the meaning of things to favor traitor Trump. And the fox viewers are too fucking stupid to think for themselves and will believe it.

Maru Kitteh

(31,765 posts)
8. I agree but for different reasons I think. Fox will always Fox.
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 10:43 PM
Aug 2023

I don't think it should be televised because tfg if nothing else is a master showman when he has the right audience and he wants to be. A live TV feed shown around the world with an audience that would dwarf a royal wedding +the World Cup +the Super Bowl +every sport in the Olympics combined. Can you even imagine?

I don't want to.


But yes - it must be filmed, and released in its entirety after sentencing.








Tarc

(10,601 posts)
11. I don't think that's a concern, as Trump would not take the stand
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 10:49 PM
Aug 2023

That's like Defense 101, never put your client on the stand. Doubly so with this orange, speak-off-the-cuff moron, they'd never allow it.

Maru Kitteh

(31,765 posts)
15. He wouldn't have to. I wasn't even thinking of him on the stand,
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 10:55 PM
Aug 2023

because of course he won't. He wouldn't have to take the stand to put on a show.


 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
38. He can do plenty of damage to the case
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 12:01 AM
Aug 2023

Whether or not he takes the stand if he's on a live camera. He will know where those cameras are and constantly play to them, in some form, and he could do it in a way that prejudices the case.

You never--EVER--give a malignant narcissist the attention he craves. You starve him of attention, because it either makes him go away...or it makes him do something so stupid that he winds up harming himself.

He will hang himself if he does not have the level of attention he thinks he deserves.

It's not about assuaging anybody's personal needs to see him in court. It's about winning the bloody case. Smith is more likely to win if the orange hellbeast is so enraged about not getting attention that he starts making very stupid mistakes. And he will make those mistakes if those cameras aren't on him.

Captain Zero

(8,905 posts)
16. What about a radio broadcast??
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 10:57 PM
Aug 2023

As a compromise.😉

As well as filming it for the National Archives.
Then show it to every presidential candidate in the future. Make them watch it.

allegorical oracle

(6,480 posts)
66. But televising it might lure tfg into insisting on testifying. And if he testifies, he'll lie, and
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:31 PM
Aug 2023

if he lies, he could get charged with perjury. Would enjoy the world's biggest liar getting punished for lying.

Maru Kitteh

(31,765 posts)
70. That is a good point. That's a plausible outcome, but I don't think
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:28 PM
Aug 2023

we have to worry about it much. I just don't think there's any way in hell the cameras are going in. Truthfully I think it's almost a 50/50 split on upsides vs. downsides, even though I would like to see it too.


orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
10. But live, continuous broadcast
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 10:48 PM
Aug 2023

won't give them the time to edit and distort - which thye'll do in any case with the recordings, after the fact.

nakocal

(625 posts)
18. Fox will not carry it live.
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 11:10 PM
Aug 2023

They will just show the footage that they edit to make everything appear in Trump's favor.

Maru Kitteh

(31,765 posts)
22. They're already going to do that no matter what, as you yourself say.
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 11:22 PM
Aug 2023

No.

No live circus.


With live they get to cut and paste every day and that's the very footage he would be motivated to give them.


Make all of the proceedings available as an unedited recording a little bit like SCOTUS does with audio from the court.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
25. But they'll edit that, too.
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 11:26 PM
Aug 2023

Fox will act badly no matter what we do. We can't let them control decisions.

Personally, I like text transcripts. You can fit more info into a page of text than 10 minutes of video.

Maru Kitteh

(31,765 posts)
37. Yeah, they will. That's why FOX has nothing to do with what
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 11:58 PM
Aug 2023

I'm saying. I repeat;


I don't think it should be televised because tfg if nothing else is a master showman when he has the right audience and he wants to be. A live TV feed shown around the world with an audience that would dwarf a royal wedding +the World Cup +the Super Bowl +every sport in the Olympics combined. Can you even imagine?

I don't want to.


But yes - it must be filmed, and released in its entirety after sentencing.



----------------------

As I said, Fox will always Fox, that's a given. I would like to see the dignity of this matter preserved as much as that is possible. He will not perform buffoonery unless there is a benefit in it for him. Also - his ability to incite flashpoint violence will not be solved by live broadcast, it can only enhance it. I want to see the trial live as much as anyone, I just don't think it's in the best interests of justice or history. I also think it would lead to increased violence.

Has the prosecution even asked for it to be televised?



orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
51. I still personaly prefer text
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 11:01 AM
Aug 2023

I never look at utubes or mux videos. They're a waste of my time. That said, I did watch the House J6 broadcasts live.

But we can't let Fox make our decisions for us.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
39. Oh come on
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 12:02 AM
Aug 2023

The traitor thugs would distort something they themselves filmed, to make their side look better.

Do not put this man on live TV so that he can play to the cameras and do something to prejudice the case--which he will.

Anything but that.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
50. Playing to the camera could sink him
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 10:58 AM
Aug 2023

Make him go off-script and say stupid incriminating shit.

I wonder if his lawyers would want that exposure.

AdamGG

(1,883 posts)
26. Fox would do that, but if other networks ran full gavel gavel coverage
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 11:34 PM
Aug 2023

the independents whose votes matter would see Fox for the sham it is. If it was televised, it would be like the OJ trial. There would be wall to wall coverage and a lot of people who don't fully grasp how cravenly corrupt and malicious Trump actually is would begin to get it.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
30. I think you make an excellent argument for why it *should* be televised.
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 11:44 PM
Aug 2023

Whether it's filmed or live-fed for TV, Fox is gonna show strategically edited versions of what goes on. But if we all get to see it live, then among "us all" will be just a few more Foxlings who will see the full context and might start to become disenthralled.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
41. THe problem isn't Fox
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 12:08 AM
Aug 2023

The problem is having a defendant who's a malignant narcissist and will only benefit from having those cameras in there, broadcasting to the entire world.

You can never beat a narcissist by giving him the attention he needs like the rest of us need air to breathe. You beat him by starving him of attention, or as much of it as you can keep from him. He will be in a rage about no cameras, every day of that trial, and that rage will cause him to make a serious mistake, sooner or later. Malignant narcissists always do stupid things when they're in the throes of narcissistic injury.

DontBelieveEastisEas

(1,211 posts)
47. He has over a tenth of a billion followers/lovers
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 01:08 AM
Aug 2023

He will never lack the attention he desires.

Even if no cameras, he knows his lovers are talking about him every day and every night.
We will need a different way to win; starving him of attention is not a possibility.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
6. 100% agree with this. Fear of FOX reaction is no excuse for not doing the right thing now. nt
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 10:28 PM
Aug 2023

BOSSHOG

(44,738 posts)
7. So sad that decent Americans
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 10:30 PM
Aug 2023

Have to jump through hoops to prove facts to people who have no use for facts or liberty and Justice for all. Conservatism is an onerous pain in the ass to our present and future. Ignorance is bliss for those who care not for law and order.

Tarc

(10,601 posts)
12. The objections form DU'ers to televising the trial are rather silly
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 10:50 PM
Aug 2023

"Fox News will just edit them". The average Fox News viewer is a diehard dumbass anyways, swaying them doesn't matter.

ShazzieB

(22,591 posts)
33. 100% agree!
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 11:46 PM
Aug 2023

Fox will show what they want to show, no matter what. Screw them. This needs to be televised live, gavel to gavel, so the American people can see the most important trial in the history of this country, as it happens.

Neal Katyal thinks so, too:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/03/trump-trial-tv-broadcast/

Non-paywall/gift link: https://wapo.st/3Qkr7Xr

Televise this thing!

thatcrowwoman

(1,230 posts)
64. Thank you for the gift link, ShazzieB.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 05:50 PM
Aug 2023

I’m with you and Neal and the signatories.
We wanna see, we wanna be in the room where it happens.
🕊thatcrowwoman

allegorical oracle

(6,480 posts)
67. Broadcasting it would more likely attract viewers who are on the fence, not his hardcore base. Most
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:43 PM
Aug 2023

of them have short attention spans, anyway.

Don't think it will happen, although djt's attorney (Lauro) said he was amenable to it. Depends on what witnesses will testify. If it happens to be people who themselves are R politcos who are running for local, state or federal offices, they might balk at being watched by their Repug voters. That would occur with just audio broadcast, too.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
13. How about a single "official" camera
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 10:51 PM
Aug 2023

focused on the witness box? Or similar.

The jury should not be in the same room and visible, I think

Jarqui

(10,909 posts)
14. I also think it should be broadcast visually
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 10:53 PM
Aug 2023

It provide context and limits what the propaganda stations can do with it.

FakeNoose

(41,637 posts)
17. Well here's the letter...
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 11:03 PM
Aug 2023








The signature pages may not be in the original order, but they're all here.

Thank you Rep. Adam Schiff and all signatories!

thatcrowwoman

(1,230 posts)
58. I stand with the signatories on this one. No excuses.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 03:55 PM
Aug 2023

C-SPAN seems the obvious channel to handle it.
Would never need to show Mr. Trump’s visage, nor the jury.
Judge, witnesses, prosecutors and defense legal team, fine by me.

Trigger warning. “Rap reference” follows. I’m no Ari, but please use your discretion.
Inspired by the musical , Hamilton:

If I can’t Be, I wanna See in the room where it happens, the room where it happens, the room where it happens.
We wanna see in the room where it happens!
🕊thatcrowwoman

AdamGG

(1,883 posts)
29. Globally, audience could be billions
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 11:39 PM
Aug 2023

Better ad revenue than the Super Bowl. At least Trump could still talk about his ratings...

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
42. Yeah feed the ego of a malignant narcissist
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 12:10 AM
Aug 2023

By making him the center of attention for 100s of millions. That always turns out well.

Not.

AdamGG

(1,883 posts)
28. Who would have te power of deciding to televise it?
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 11:38 PM
Aug 2023

If the rule is no cameras in federal courts, who would have the power to make an exception? Does the judge handling this case have the power to decide that? If not them, then who could potentially make the decision to allow it?

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
32. That's a great question. It might be up to the judge.
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 11:46 PM
Aug 2023

Or there might be federal regulations already in place.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
43. The judge decides what happens in her courtroom
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 12:12 AM
Aug 2023

Like all court decisions, one or the other party can appeal, but I don't think another court will overturn it.

If no cameras in the court was good enough for Gotti, it's good enough for this criminal. Why give him special perks, never mind the utter folly of giving a malignant narcissist the very attention he craves?

Taken the attention away from him helps Smith's case.

intrepidity

(8,582 posts)
52. Do you think that no cameras in the courtroom means
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 11:25 AM
Aug 2023

that Fox won't be covering this and providing massive attention to the narcisscist?

AdamGG

(1,883 posts)
55. I think that cameras in the courtroom means
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 02:13 PM
Aug 2023

That Fox would be made practically irrelevant on this. The extent of Trump's guilt and the obviousness of his lies would become undeniable. He'd be an impotent, pathetic presence in the courtroom. The emperor would have no clothes.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
59. The judge can't violate the regulation.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 04:05 PM
Aug 2023

So she doesn't decide what happens in her courtroom. No cameras are allowed.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
35. I understand why people would want it
Thu Aug 3, 2023, 11:54 PM
Aug 2023

Their reasons are valid. Normally, I'd be all in on it.

However, I don't think it's a good idea to do it with this particular defendant, because he will do all kinds of creepy or bizarre things to play to the cameras. He'll mug and preen for it. Plus, it's just plain stupid to give a known malignant narcissist live broadcast coverage on all the major networks and cable channels. He craves that attention, and it it will feed his ego to have it. Conversely, not getting live coverage will infuriate him. He's more likely to make a grave mistake when he's in the throes of narcissistic injury for not getting the attention the thinks he deserves.

Handler

(339 posts)
46. I sense a bit of fear in the responses here. Transparency is almost always the better way.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 12:51 AM
Aug 2023

Having the trial behind closed doors is the way a Fascist government would handle it. It's
always been done that way is not a good enough reason to deny the American people the
right to see justice served. Let the people see it.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,198 posts)
48. Sad part is MAGA's can watch the whole thing....
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 01:26 AM
Aug 2023

And won't accept a guilty verdict. They will scream he was railroaded, it was the Dark government, and the conspiracy theories will run a muck.

IcyPeas

(25,475 posts)
49. I initially thought it would be a bad idea too because of trumps love for any and all publicity
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 04:04 AM
Aug 2023

But if people such as Neal Katyal and Adam Schiff and the other signatories to that letter think it's the right thing to do perhaps it is. They certainly are better judges than me.... they know stuff!

📺

BumRushDaShow

(169,761 posts)
63. Probably because they are all on recess until September
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 04:25 PM
Aug 2023

and many may be on vacation and/or even out of the country. I just saw where a NC Democrat just got out of the hospital after being involved in a serious car accident yesterday. She is okay and was released today, but suffered several broken bones.

North Carolina congresswoman suffered broken bones in ‘serious car accident’

housecat

(3,138 posts)
53. If the downside of televising is that it can provide material for film alterations, then
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 01:57 PM
Aug 2023

live television will provide the facts first hand. The American people deserve to see the court trial in real time. The only risk is to withhold the actual event and create more speculation, more division, and more lies. Everything involves risk.We've come this far as a result of the intelligent work of the J6 Committee, investigations, DOJ, Special Council, etc. If anyone should decide on live tv coverage, it is Jack Smith.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
54. Absolutely. Like they did with the OJ trial.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 02:01 PM
Aug 2023

Based on the info I had at the time I thought OJ was innocent. But after the gloves don't fit bit along with other facts I considered him guilty.

It was a shame the prosecutors didn't explain that leather shrinks when not used regularly.

BWdem4life

(3,003 posts)
73. Umm
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:10 PM
Aug 2023

If we can't accept the outcome of a trial without personally watching it, that means there is a lack of trust in the judicial system, which is a pretty big problem.

Televise it, don't televise it... but don't say it must be televised in order for us to accept the outcome. I don't often disagree with Adam Schiff but I certainly disagree with his reasoning here.

Some signatures on there from other people I respect as well... Doesn't change my mind about the faulty reasoning.

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