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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAdam Schiff tweet re Broadcasting trump trial
Its why dozens of my colleagues joined me today in urging that these proceedings be broadcast for the public.
If the American people are to accept the outcome, it will be vitally important for them to witness, as directly as possible, the full facts and evidence.
Link to tweet
Cha
(319,086 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)However meritorious, the Court wont do it.
nakocal
(625 posts)But it should be filmed. If it is televised than fox news will cut and paste the testimony to change the meaning of things to favor traitor Trump. And the fox viewers are too fucking stupid to think for themselves and will believe it.
chicoescuela
(3,084 posts)Wouldnt be surprised if the bastards did exactly that
Maru Kitteh
(31,765 posts)I don't think it should be televised because tfg if nothing else is a master showman when he has the right audience and he wants to be. A live TV feed shown around the world with an audience that would dwarf a royal wedding +the World Cup +the Super Bowl +every sport in the Olympics combined. Can you even imagine?
I don't want to.
But yes - it must be filmed, and released in its entirety after sentencing.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)That's like Defense 101, never put your client on the stand. Doubly so with this orange, speak-off-the-cuff moron, they'd never allow it.
Maru Kitteh
(31,765 posts)because of course he won't. He wouldn't have to take the stand to put on a show.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Whether or not he takes the stand if he's on a live camera. He will know where those cameras are and constantly play to them, in some form, and he could do it in a way that prejudices the case.
You never--EVER--give a malignant narcissist the attention he craves. You starve him of attention, because it either makes him go away...or it makes him do something so stupid that he winds up harming himself.
He will hang himself if he does not have the level of attention he thinks he deserves.
It's not about assuaging anybody's personal needs to see him in court. It's about winning the bloody case. Smith is more likely to win if the orange hellbeast is so enraged about not getting attention that he starts making very stupid mistakes. And he will make those mistakes if those cameras aren't on him.
EmmaLee E
(274 posts)Captain Zero
(8,905 posts)As a compromise.😉
As well as filming it for the National Archives.
Then show it to every presidential candidate in the future. Make them watch it.
Maru Kitteh
(31,765 posts)allegorical oracle
(6,480 posts)if he lies, he could get charged with perjury. Would enjoy the world's biggest liar getting punished for lying.
Maru Kitteh
(31,765 posts)we have to worry about it much. I just don't think there's any way in hell the cameras are going in. Truthfully I think it's almost a 50/50 split on upsides vs. downsides, even though I would like to see it too.
orthoclad
(4,728 posts)won't give them the time to edit and distort - which thye'll do in any case with the recordings, after the fact.
nakocal
(625 posts)They will just show the footage that they edit to make everything appear in Trump's favor.
orthoclad
(4,728 posts)Maru Kitteh
(31,765 posts)No.
No live circus.
With live they get to cut and paste every day and that's the very footage he would be motivated to give them.
Make all of the proceedings available as an unedited recording a little bit like SCOTUS does with audio from the court.
orthoclad
(4,728 posts)Fox will act badly no matter what we do. We can't let them control decisions.
Personally, I like text transcripts. You can fit more info into a page of text than 10 minutes of video.
Maru Kitteh
(31,765 posts)I'm saying. I repeat;
I don't think it should be televised because tfg if nothing else is a master showman when he has the right audience and he wants to be. A live TV feed shown around the world with an audience that would dwarf a royal wedding +the World Cup +the Super Bowl +every sport in the Olympics combined. Can you even imagine?
I don't want to.
But yes - it must be filmed, and released in its entirety after sentencing.
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As I said, Fox will always Fox, that's a given. I would like to see the dignity of this matter preserved as much as that is possible. He will not perform buffoonery unless there is a benefit in it for him. Also - his ability to incite flashpoint violence will not be solved by live broadcast, it can only enhance it. I want to see the trial live as much as anyone, I just don't think it's in the best interests of justice or history. I also think it would lead to increased violence.
Has the prosecution even asked for it to be televised?
orthoclad
(4,728 posts)I never look at utubes or mux videos. They're a waste of my time. That said, I did watch the House J6 broadcasts live.
But we can't let Fox make our decisions for us.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)The traitor thugs would distort something they themselves filmed, to make their side look better.
Do not put this man on live TV so that he can play to the cameras and do something to prejudice the case--which he will.
Anything but that.
orthoclad
(4,728 posts)Make him go off-script and say stupid incriminating shit.
I wonder if his lawyers would want that exposure.
AdamGG
(1,883 posts)the independents whose votes matter would see Fox for the sham it is. If it was televised, it would be like the OJ trial. There would be wall to wall coverage and a lot of people who don't fully grasp how cravenly corrupt and malicious Trump actually is would begin to get it.
Bucky
(55,334 posts)Whether it's filmed or live-fed for TV, Fox is gonna show strategically edited versions of what goes on. But if we all get to see it live, then among "us all" will be just a few more Foxlings who will see the full context and might start to become disenthralled.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)The problem is having a defendant who's a malignant narcissist and will only benefit from having those cameras in there, broadcasting to the entire world.
You can never beat a narcissist by giving him the attention he needs like the rest of us need air to breathe. You beat him by starving him of attention, or as much of it as you can keep from him. He will be in a rage about no cameras, every day of that trial, and that rage will cause him to make a serious mistake, sooner or later. Malignant narcissists always do stupid things when they're in the throes of narcissistic injury.
DontBelieveEastisEas
(1,211 posts)He will never lack the attention he desires.
Even if no cameras, he knows his lovers are talking about him every day and every night.
We will need a different way to win; starving him of attention is not a possibility.
republianmushroom
(22,326 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)BOSSHOG
(44,738 posts)Have to jump through hoops to prove facts to people who have no use for facts or liberty and Justice for all. Conservatism is an onerous pain in the ass to our present and future. Ignorance is bliss for those who care not for law and order.
Native
(7,359 posts)Tarc
(10,601 posts)"Fox News will just edit them". The average Fox News viewer is a diehard dumbass anyways, swaying them doesn't matter.
ShazzieB
(22,591 posts)Fox will show what they want to show, no matter what. Screw them. This needs to be televised live, gavel to gavel, so the American people can see the most important trial in the history of this country, as it happens.
Neal Katyal thinks so, too:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/03/trump-trial-tv-broadcast/
Non-paywall/gift link: https://wapo.st/3Qkr7Xr
Televise this thing!
thatcrowwoman
(1,230 posts)Im with you and Neal and the signatories.
We wanna see, we wanna be in the room where it happens.
🕊thatcrowwoman
allegorical oracle
(6,480 posts)of them have short attention spans, anyway.
Don't think it will happen, although djt's attorney (Lauro) said he was amenable to it. Depends on what witnesses will testify. If it happens to be people who themselves are R politcos who are running for local, state or federal offices, they might balk at being watched by their Repug voters. That would occur with just audio broadcast, too.
orthoclad
(4,728 posts)focused on the witness box? Or similar.
The jury should not be in the same room and visible, I think
Jarqui
(10,909 posts)It provide context and limits what the propaganda stations can do with it.
FakeNoose
(41,637 posts)



The signature pages may not be in the original order, but they're all here.
Thank you Rep. Adam Schiff and all signatories!
thatcrowwoman
(1,230 posts)C-SPAN seems the obvious channel to handle it.
Would never need to show Mr. Trumps visage, nor the jury.
Judge, witnesses, prosecutors and defense legal team, fine by me.
Trigger warning. Rap reference follows. Im no Ari, but please use your discretion.
Inspired by the musical , Hamilton:
If I cant Be, I wanna See in the room where it happens, the room where it happens, the room where it happens.
We wanna see in the room where it happens!
🕊thatcrowwoman
madamesilverspurs
(16,512 posts)They already know the drill.
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electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)Amaryllis
(11,299 posts)allegorical oracle
(6,480 posts)WarGamer
(18,613 posts)AdamGG
(1,883 posts)Better ad revenue than the Super Bowl. At least Trump could still talk about his ratings...
WarGamer
(18,613 posts)ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)By making him the center of attention for 100s of millions. That always turns out well.
Not.
AdamGG
(1,883 posts)If the rule is no cameras in federal courts, who would have the power to make an exception? Does the judge handling this case have the power to decide that? If not them, then who could potentially make the decision to allow it?
Bucky
(55,334 posts)Or there might be federal regulations already in place.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Like all court decisions, one or the other party can appeal, but I don't think another court will overturn it.
If no cameras in the court was good enough for Gotti, it's good enough for this criminal. Why give him special perks, never mind the utter folly of giving a malignant narcissist the very attention he craves?
Taken the attention away from him helps Smith's case.
intrepidity
(8,582 posts)that Fox won't be covering this and providing massive attention to the narcisscist?
AdamGG
(1,883 posts)That Fox would be made practically irrelevant on this. The extent of Trump's guilt and the obviousness of his lies would become undeniable. He'd be an impotent, pathetic presence in the courtroom. The emperor would have no clothes.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)So she doesn't decide what happens in her courtroom. No cameras are allowed.
arthritisR_US
(7,812 posts)ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Their reasons are valid. Normally, I'd be all in on it.
However, I don't think it's a good idea to do it with this particular defendant, because he will do all kinds of creepy or bizarre things to play to the cameras. He'll mug and preen for it. Plus, it's just plain stupid to give a known malignant narcissist live broadcast coverage on all the major networks and cable channels. He craves that attention, and it it will feed his ego to have it. Conversely, not getting live coverage will infuriate him. He's more likely to make a grave mistake when he's in the throes of narcissistic injury for not getting the attention the thinks he deserves.
NYC Liberal
(20,453 posts)LudwigPastorius
(14,726 posts)Bluethroughu
(7,215 posts)Broadcast it far and wide.
Wounded Bear
(64,328 posts)
Handler
(339 posts)Having the trial behind closed doors is the way a Fascist government would handle it. It's
always been done that way is not a good enough reason to deny the American people the
right to see justice served. Let the people see it.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,198 posts)And won't accept a guilty verdict. They will scream he was railroaded, it was the Dark government, and the conspiracy theories will run a muck.
IcyPeas
(25,475 posts)But if people such as Neal Katyal and Adam Schiff and the other signatories to that letter think it's the right thing to do perhaps it is. They certainly are better judges than me.... they know stuff!
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former9thward
(33,424 posts)Out of about 260 Democrats in Congress.
BumRushDaShow
(169,761 posts)and many may be on vacation and/or even out of the country. I just saw where a NC Democrat just got out of the hospital after being involved in a serious car accident yesterday. She is okay and was released today, but suffered several broken bones.
North Carolina congresswoman suffered broken bones in serious car accident
housecat
(3,138 posts)live television will provide the facts first hand. The American people deserve to see the court trial in real time. The only risk is to withhold the actual event and create more speculation, more division, and more lies. Everything involves risk.We've come this far as a result of the intelligent work of the J6 Committee, investigations, DOJ, Special Council, etc. If anyone should decide on live tv coverage, it is Jack Smith.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)housecat
(3,138 posts)LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)Based on the info I had at the time I thought OJ was innocent. But after the gloves don't fit bit along with other facts I considered him guilty.
It was a shame the prosecutors didn't explain that leather shrinks when not used regularly.
Beringia
(5,507 posts)Geechie
(1,044 posts)by the popcorn lobby
MiHale
(13,032 posts)👍
Duppers
(28,469 posts)BWdem4life
(3,003 posts)If we can't accept the outcome of a trial without personally watching it, that means there is a lack of trust in the judicial system, which is a pretty big problem.
Televise it, don't televise it... but don't say it must be televised in order for us to accept the outcome. I don't often disagree with Adam Schiff but I certainly disagree with his reasoning here.
Some signatures on there from other people I respect as well... Doesn't change my mind about the faulty reasoning.