I guess I'm a little confused regarding Pence's heroism.

[tavernier]

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My understanding is that when Trump asked him to back the big lie and decline to accept the outcome of the election, he went to several people to ask their opinion, including former Vice President Quayle, who told him that that would be unconstitutional and a grave mistake, and it was only after that that he decided to do the right thing. However, suddenly he is beating his chest about his honesty and patriotism, but only after he was subpoenaed by Jack Smith and got nervous about trying to play it both ways. By this time next week he’ll be asking for a Profiles in Courage commendation.

[underpants]

1. He stated the painfully obvious

but only after he had to. He swerved around questions on this for over 2 years. He’s no hero. He is a houseplant though.

[madaboutharry]

2. Yeah, he isn't a hero, he's a coward.

He doesn’t deserve any credit for just doing his job.

Pence has always been a fraud.

[Shellback Squid]

3. true and if he were made of weaker stuff he would have been worshiped by

the maga cultits, he had a lot more to personally gain by sending back the votes

[Jack-o-Lantern]

4. He's no hero, he was caught between loyalty to tRump and covering his ass.

[Playingmantis]

5. He is turning against Trump and

openly calling him a liar.. instead of , yet again, discouraging defections, too many democrats are making it difficult for others to defect..

Why would anyone defect from the Trump Fascists if they know they will be attacked by the Trump fascists and ridiculed by the Democrats?
Welcome his new found voice because we cannot afford to lose this next election!

[Effete Snob]

7. A key line in the indictment is Trump saying...

“You’re too honest.”

The magamoronia keep asking “How do you prove Trump knew he was lying?”

[tavernier]

10. Because Rump will just deny it

and then it will be he said/he said to his fans.

[Effete Snob]

11. He can't deny it

You think he’s taking the stand?

Instant malpractice.

[gratuitous]

6. Pious Pence

So very humble. And so very much to be humble about, including having a moral compass or knowing right from wrong.

[Effete Snob]

8. The man actually kindled and nurtured an STD epidemic

I mean, it’s gotta be cool to feel like Pharoah in Exodus, deciding which plagues will befall Indiana by your own decree, but, c’mon, he wasn’t the hero of that story.

[keithbvadu2]

9. His first priority was to find a way to weasel past the Constitution.

He could not so now he plays the hero.

[stopdiggin]

12. I'm not calling anybody a hero

But those in the GOP -that stood up, and stood against, the attempt to steal the election (and Pence is self evidently one of these) - deserve recognition for being some of the courageous few, amongst many.

If we didn't have people in state offices and election offices, throughout the country - exhibiting integrity, backbone and character - we'd be in a very, very dark place right now. Far too many have demonstrated (during that same period) that they have none of those qualities. And the ones that did, and do - deserve credit where credit is due.

[hibbing]

13. +1

[ShazzieB]

20. I agree.

Whatever any of us may think of Mike Pence (I have never been a fan myself, after his attacks on reproductive rights as governor of Indiana), it's an indisputable fact that he did the right thing on January 6. Yeah, he asked a some people for advice, but that's probably because Trump gaslighted him so hard that he got to the point of not being comfortable trusting his own judgment. He could have just caved and gone along with Trump, but instead he went to people whose judgment he knew he could trust to get a reality check. That seems commendable to me rather than a sign of weakness. In a lot of ways, it would have been a lot easier to for him go with the flow, and I have to give him credit for not doing that.

I think we all need to get used to this "new, improved" Pence 2.0, because if you can believe the pundits on MSNBC, he may end up being Jack Smith's star witness when this thing goes to trial. Will any of us like him any better if his testimony ends up helping put Trump away? I think I will. Not enough to make me forgive him for trying to treat Indiana women like criminals for getting an abortion or even having a miscarriage, but enough to make me sit up and go, "Hey, nice work, Mikey!"

[emulatorloo]

24. Thank you. These people, including Pence, stopped the coup. I get so sick of DU's short-sighted

bullshit. Pence is going to be a very strong witness for the prosecution.

[stuck in the middle]

30. One of my favorite things about...

…being retired is that nobody ever asks me if the exam will be graded on the curve, any more.

[peggysue2]

14. You're absolutely correct

This is not a profile in courage; it's the profile of a weasel, a hypocritical weasel at that. Pence can pound his chest all he wants. The man could not call out Trump even after his devoted followers were calling to have him hanged. The man went to frigging Dan Quayle to confirm that he did not have the authority to reject the electors, then reportedly whined about how hard it was to resist the MAGA pressure.

Now, suddenly he finds the courage to deem himself a hero for choosing the Constitution over Trump.

A fucking weather vane has more courage!

I'm so sick of these people!

[RANDYWILDMAN]

15. He stayed a true republican

until his ass was on the line for prison time !!


Not a profile in courage, he is a coward, but he sorta stood up to TFG once, maybe

[elleng]

16. Pence is no hero.

[GP6971]

18. Welcome to DU...goodbye.

[Handler]

19. Pence is far from being a hero

[Irish_Dem]

21. Pence is trying to stay ahead of the news he flipped on Trump.

[ananda]

22. I call it opportunism.

He saw blood in the water and decided to change course.

[617Blue]

23. I miss the days when Quayle was the dangerous

boogeyman.

He's a statesman compared to today's GOP Senate caucus.

[FSogol]

25. You can't expect jellyfish to have spines.

[stuck in the middle]

26. What a waste it is...

…to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind. How true that is.

- Dan Quayle

…former Vice President Quayle

[tavernier]

28. From Woodward's book

https://people.com/politics/new-book-details-how-dan-quayle-convinced-mike-pence-not-to-overturn-election/

[Tree Lady]

27. I hope Pence testifies

I can't wait to see the looks between the two of them.

[emulatorloo]

29. He'll be a star witness for the prosecution. As will White House counsel Pat Cipollone.

They both were at ground zero when Trump was committing crimes. They both have colleagues who will back them up.