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kentuck

(115,400 posts)
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:44 AM Aug 2023

Mike Pence Found Jesus...

...and the MAGA Republicans are not happy about it.

Perhaps the most damning information in the indictment was from the former VP, Mike Pence. As it turned out, he had been taking extemporaneous notes of his meetings with the former president, now indicted, Donald J Trump.

Pence had noted that Trump and his lawyers wanted him to halt or "pause" the electoral count and send them back to the states in question to be re-certified. The states were not asking that the votes be sent back. They had done their job. Only Donald Trump wanted them sent back.

Pence refused to go along with their illegal scheme and Trump told him that he would have to "publicly criticize" him for not going along.

Now, Pence has seen the light. Perhaps he has seen that he has no chance to win the nomination of his Party and his silence would only continue to make Trump stronger? Whatever, he chose to tell the truth about what happened on January 6th to the Special Counsel. He has been called a "star witness".

On his show last night, Lawrence O'Donnell explained it very thoroughly and showed a new video of Trump's defense attorney, John Lauro, that validated Pence's quotes almost verbatim on FOX and Newsmax stations. It was probably as close as they could get to an admission of guilt.

He admitted that Trump wanted to halt the electoral count and send them back to the legislatures in various states where the election was close. His validation of Pence's comments was shocking to hear. One wonders how much longer he will be a defense attorney for Donald Trump?

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Mike Pence Found Jesus... (Original Post) kentuck Aug 2023 OP
Maybe this was Lauro's gambit to get out of being Trump's lia-- sorry lawyer before Lauro gets 3Hotdogs Aug 2023 #1
A Fraud.... er, Freudian slip, 3Hotdogs? 70sEraVet Aug 2023 #18
Pence better have a good security detail gab13by13 Aug 2023 #2
Pence's testimony in the indictment is devastating. kentuck Aug 2023 #4
Pence's Presidential hopes are gone forever Best_man23 Aug 2023 #12
He always had hopes -- it's a 'chance in hell' that he DIDN'T have! 70sEraVet Aug 2023 #20
John Lauro just made the case for Jack Smith. ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2023 #3
Your nickname for Trump PJMcK Aug 2023 #5
The 2(Twice) Federally Indicted Former Guy ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2023 #6
Thanks (n/t) PJMcK Aug 2023 #8
Shouldn't that be T2I2FIFG? KewlKat Aug 2023 #11
And still, he is an unredemable asswipe. Ferrets are Cool Aug 2023 #7
+1000. (nt) Paladin Aug 2023 #17
Yep. IIRC sybylla Aug 2023 #28
I don't care who he's in it for as long as his testimony helps put Trump away! ShazzieB Aug 2023 #32
The only reason Pence found Jesus is because Jesus didn't see him coming. Ray Bruns Aug 2023 #9
LOL! Mickju Aug 2023 #14
Perfect MLAA Aug 2023 #26
Yeah, normally when Jesus sees Pence coming, he crosses the street to avoid him. jaxexpat Aug 2023 #29
IMO, Pence didn't have a choice. no_hypocrisy Aug 2023 #10
I agree. synni Aug 2023 #31
Mike Pence has the ability to put the final nail in Chump's coffin FakeNoose Aug 2023 #13
Pence, Jesus? BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #15
W Johnny2X2X Aug 2023 #16
Not really DLCWIdem Aug 2023 #19
Mike (matthew 7:15) Pence Beachnutt Aug 2023 #21
Lawrence O'Donnell nailed it dlk Aug 2023 #22
Admission of guilt? Maybe not if the strategy is not to dispute these facts, but rather... thesquanderer Aug 2023 #23
Conspiracy to obstruct (a) government proceeding is charged. Justice matters. Aug 2023 #34
Had the same thought; despite it being a weak argument on its KPN Aug 2023 #37
Apparently, Lauro went to the same law school as Rudy. BobTheSubgenius Aug 2023 #24
tRump U? lastlib Aug 2023 #33
Where the trademark is... BobTheSubgenius Aug 2023 #39
Found Jesus? I didn't know Jesus was lost. When was He last seen? n/t spike jones Aug 2023 #25
Jesus (or was it Mother?) finally told pence than he didn't have a prayer(haha!) in the election. MLAA Aug 2023 #27
was he where he left him before he spent 7 years kissing Trump's ass? jcgoldie Aug 2023 #30
That's the thing about Jesus, he's always in the last place you look. Xavier Breath Aug 2023 #35
I'm guessing that he's trying to get in front of any upcoming subpoenas Shermann Aug 2023 #36
And Jesus wept Blue Owl Aug 2023 #38

3Hotdogs

(15,341 posts)
1. Maybe this was Lauro's gambit to get out of being Trump's lia-- sorry lawyer before Lauro gets
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:50 AM
Aug 2023

indicted.

kentuck

(115,400 posts)
4. Pence's testimony in the indictment is devastating.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:54 AM
Aug 2023

And now, Trump's attorney has verified it.

A very, very strong witness.

Best_man23

(5,268 posts)
12. Pence's Presidential hopes are gone forever
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 08:44 AM
Aug 2023

The MAGATs will never forgive him for turning on their Dear Leader (AKA the Insurrectionist).

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,879 posts)
3. John Lauro just made the case for Jack Smith.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:54 AM
Aug 2023

All Smith will have to do is stare down T2FIFG with each question he asks, while remaining cool as a cucumber. For T2FIFG and Lauro have to know that Smith put away hardened War Criminals at The Hague and THAT is a BFD!!!

Televising this trial will indeed be a ratings hit, but not because of T2FIFG. Because of Jack Smith and his top flight team.

PJMcK

(25,047 posts)
5. Your nickname for Trump
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 08:08 AM
Aug 2023

What does T2FIFG mean? Neither a Google search nor Urban Dictionary know its meaning.

Thanks, in advance.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,879 posts)
6. The 2(Twice) Federally Indicted Former Guy
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 08:10 AM
Aug 2023

That will change to a 3 or 4 if more Federal Indictments are issued.

sybylla

(8,655 posts)
28. Yep. IIRC
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 10:15 AM
Aug 2023

he did a Trump Defense Media Tour during the J6 hearings all the while refusing to show up and testify at the J6 hearings.

Skeezy jebus-loving slimeball things he can redeem himself now by pretending he never did all that crap and actually he's a good guy.

I can't see how anyone can think he's in it for anyone but himself.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
29. Yeah, normally when Jesus sees Pence coming, he crosses the street to avoid him.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 10:16 AM
Aug 2023

It's a little drama the citizens of Jesustown witness on a daily basis. Jesus absolutely hates it when people try to debate him using the Bible as evidence and Pence never misses an opportunity.

no_hypocrisy

(54,881 posts)
10. IMO, Pence didn't have a choice.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 08:32 AM
Aug 2023

If he didn't stridently denounce TFG and the Plot, he'd either be a co-defendant or an unindicted c-conspirator.

He covered his ass nicely.

synni

(776 posts)
31. I agree.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 10:25 AM
Aug 2023

Like any "good" Republican, all he cares about is covering his own backside, no matter who he takes down in the process.

FakeNoose

(41,544 posts)
13. Mike Pence has the ability to put the final nail in Chump's coffin
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 08:54 AM
Aug 2023

Chump told Pence the entire plot with the idea that Pence would go along with it and strike down the electoral votes on January 6th. Pence knew what they were doing, he knew who was in on it, and he could have blown the whistle at any time. Why didn't he? I think it was because he was scared of Chump's crazy mob, the same people who came screaming "Hang Mike Pence!"

I have no doubts that Pence gave all the info he had to Jack Smith, and I'm glad to hear that included audiotapes (presumably private conversations) and written records. I'm NOT a member of the Mike Pence Fan Club, but we need to recognize that he did the honorable thing on January 6th. That was after several years of dishonorable things, but still....



Johnny2X2X

(24,174 posts)
16. W
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:05 AM
Aug 2023

Bush was a clown, but I do believe he cared about our Democracy. Bush is still loved by some MAGAs, he’s about the only Republican who could make a difference.

Really dig he’d come out hard against Trump and his attacks on out Democracy. Pence doing so sways like 8 total people.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
19. Not really
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:20 AM
Aug 2023

In 2016 Trump was doing to Jeb Bush what he was doing to Biden and he mentioned the war. The magats didn't even seem to realize the contradiction since they were whole heartedly for the war at the time.

Beachnutt

(8,900 posts)
21. Mike (matthew 7:15) Pence
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:27 AM
Aug 2023

Stood by the conman throughout his time in office and endorsed every lie the con said.
He stood before cameras with trump as he lied and thousands died from Covid.

Jesus gives another warning: Beware of the false prophets. A prophet is someone who speaks on behalf of God. A false prophet is someone who claims to speak on God’s behalf when in reality he is lying. Jesus tells His disciples to Beware of them. Given what Jesus just said about entering through the narrow gate (v. 13), it is natural to assume that false prophets will encourage many to enter the wide gate leading to destruction. Be on the lookout for them and do not listen to what they have to say.

Jesus warns that these false prophets will appear innocent and harmless, they will come to you in sheep’s clothing, but they are not harmless. Their appearance is deceptive and their effect is deadly. Inwardly they are ravenous wolves. These false prophets are looking to take advantage of you. They will destroy and consume your soul to get what they want. Don’t let them.
Even though false prophets appear like you, talk like you, pretend to be like you, they are not like you. How can you detect them? Pay attention to their works. You will know them by their fruits. If their works are bad, they do not represent God.

dlk

(13,245 posts)
22. Lawrence O'Donnell nailed it
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:30 AM
Aug 2023

When he said Pence would be the star witness in the trial. As they say, revenge is a dish best served cold.

thesquanderer

(13,001 posts)
23. Admission of guilt? Maybe not if the strategy is not to dispute these facts, but rather...
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:37 AM
Aug 2023

...to claim that Trump making these "requests" was not illegal in the first place.

Justice matters.

(9,758 posts)
34. Conspiracy to obstruct (a) government proceeding is charged.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 10:45 AM
Aug 2023

These "requests" were not legal based on that statute.

hair fuerhair can claim it was "political talk" in the locker room any time he wants... doesn't make it legal.

KPN

(17,368 posts)
37. Had the same thought; despite it being a weak argument on its
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 10:48 AM
Aug 2023

face, Trump has been about as slippery as any of us has ever seen when it comes to the law. I won’t feel great until he is convicted and sentenced to hard time.

MLAA

(19,738 posts)
27. Jesus (or was it Mother?) finally told pence than he didn't have a prayer(haha!) in the election.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 10:08 AM
Aug 2023

Now pence, if mother allows, will go for building a ministry (or house of hate) all his own.

Xavier Breath

(6,639 posts)
35. That's the thing about Jesus, he's always in the last place you look.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 10:47 AM
Aug 2023

For Pence that means he must have been hiding behind Pence's integrity.

Shermann

(9,058 posts)
36. I'm guessing that he's trying to get in front of any upcoming subpoenas
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 10:47 AM
Aug 2023

It doesn't look good when your story drastically changes when you go under oath. Ask Sarah Sanders about that.

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