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...and the MAGA Republicans are not happy about it.
Perhaps the most damning information in the indictment was from the former VP, Mike Pence. As it turned out, he had been taking extemporaneous notes of his meetings with the former president, now indicted, Donald J Trump.
Pence had noted that Trump and his lawyers wanted him to halt or "pause" the electoral count and send them back to the states in question to be re-certified. The states were not asking that the votes be sent back. They had done their job. Only Donald Trump wanted them sent back.
Pence refused to go along with their illegal scheme and Trump told him that he would have to "publicly criticize" him for not going along.
Now, Pence has seen the light. Perhaps he has seen that he has no chance to win the nomination of his Party and his silence would only continue to make Trump stronger? Whatever, he chose to tell the truth about what happened on January 6th to the Special Counsel. He has been called a "star witness".
On his show last night, Lawrence O'Donnell explained it very thoroughly and showed a new video of Trump's defense attorney, John Lauro, that validated Pence's quotes almost verbatim on FOX and Newsmax stations. It was probably as close as they could get to an admission of guilt.
He admitted that Trump wanted to halt the electoral count and send them back to the legislatures in various states where the election was close. His validation of Pence's comments was shocking to hear. One wonders how much longer he will be a defense attorney for Donald Trump?
3Hotdogs
(15,341 posts)indicted.
70sEraVet
(5,465 posts)gab13by13
(32,238 posts)when he campaigns in Magat country.
kentuck
(115,400 posts)And now, Trump's attorney has verified it.
A very, very strong witness.
Best_man23
(5,268 posts)The MAGATs will never forgive him for turning on their Dear Leader (AKA the Insurrectionist).
70sEraVet
(5,465 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(20,879 posts)All Smith will have to do is stare down T2FIFG with each question he asks, while remaining cool as a cucumber. For T2FIFG and Lauro have to know that Smith put away hardened War Criminals at The Hague and THAT is a BFD!!!
Televising this trial will indeed be a ratings hit, but not because of T2FIFG. Because of Jack Smith and his top flight team.
PJMcK
(25,047 posts)What does T2FIFG mean? Neither a Google search nor Urban Dictionary know its meaning.
Thanks, in advance.
ProudMNDemocrat
(20,879 posts)That will change to a 3 or 4 if more Federal Indictments are issued.
PJMcK
(25,047 posts)KewlKat
(5,810 posts)The twice impeached twice federally indicted former guy?
Ferrets are Cool
(22,946 posts)Paladin
(32,354 posts)sybylla
(8,655 posts)he did a Trump Defense Media Tour during the J6 hearings all the while refusing to show up and testify at the J6 hearings.
Skeezy jebus-loving slimeball things he can redeem himself now by pretending he never did all that crap and actually he's a good guy.
I can't see how anyone can think he's in it for anyone but himself.
ShazzieB
(22,565 posts)Ray Bruns
(6,334 posts)jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)It's a little drama the citizens of Jesustown witness on a daily basis. Jesus absolutely hates it when people try to debate him using the Bible as evidence and Pence never misses an opportunity.
no_hypocrisy
(54,881 posts)If he didn't stridently denounce TFG and the Plot, he'd either be a co-defendant or an unindicted c-conspirator.
He covered his ass nicely.
Like any "good" Republican, all he cares about is covering his own backside, no matter who he takes down in the process.
FakeNoose
(41,544 posts)Chump told Pence the entire plot with the idea that Pence would go along with it and strike down the electoral votes on January 6th. Pence knew what they were doing, he knew who was in on it, and he could have blown the whistle at any time. Why didn't he? I think it was because he was scared of Chump's crazy mob, the same people who came screaming "Hang Mike Pence!"
I have no doubts that Pence gave all the info he had to Jack Smith, and I'm glad to hear that included audiotapes (presumably private conversations) and written records. I'm NOT a member of the Mike Pence Fan Club, but we need to recognize that he did the honorable thing on January 6th. That was after several years of dishonorable things, but still....
BlueIn_W_Pa
(842 posts)Yeah, this one
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Bush was a clown, but I do believe he cared about our Democracy. Bush is still loved by some MAGAs, hes about the only Republican who could make a difference.
Really dig hed come out hard against Trump and his attacks on out Democracy. Pence doing so sways like 8 total people.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)In 2016 Trump was doing to Jeb Bush what he was doing to Biden and he mentioned the war. The magats didn't even seem to realize the contradiction since they were whole heartedly for the war at the time.
Beachnutt
(8,900 posts)Stood by the conman throughout his time in office and endorsed every lie the con said.
He stood before cameras with trump as he lied and thousands died from Covid.
Jesus gives another warning: Beware of the false prophets. A prophet is someone who speaks on behalf of God. A false prophet is someone who claims to speak on Gods behalf when in reality he is lying. Jesus tells His disciples to Beware of them. Given what Jesus just said about entering through the narrow gate (v. 13), it is natural to assume that false prophets will encourage many to enter the wide gate leading to destruction. Be on the lookout for them and do not listen to what they have to say.
Jesus warns that these false prophets will appear innocent and harmless, they will come to you in sheeps clothing, but they are not harmless. Their appearance is deceptive and their effect is deadly. Inwardly they are ravenous wolves. These false prophets are looking to take advantage of you. They will destroy and consume your soul to get what they want. Dont let them.
Even though false prophets appear like you, talk like you, pretend to be like you, they are not like you. How can you detect them? Pay attention to their works. You will know them by their fruits. If their works are bad, they do not represent God.

dlk
(13,245 posts)When he said Pence would be the star witness in the trial. As they say, revenge is a dish best served cold.
thesquanderer
(13,001 posts)...to claim that Trump making these "requests" was not illegal in the first place.
Justice matters.
(9,758 posts)These "requests" were not legal based on that statute.
hair fuerhair can claim it was "political talk" in the locker room any time he wants... doesn't make it legal.
KPN
(17,368 posts)face, Trump has been about as slippery as any of us has ever seen when it comes to the law. I wont feel great until he is convicted and sentenced to hard time.
BobTheSubgenius
(12,212 posts)lastlib
(28,216 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(12,212 posts)...Ubi Demens Triumphus
spike jones
(2,019 posts)MLAA
(19,738 posts)Now pence, if mother allows, will go for building a ministry (or house of hate) all his own.
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Xavier Breath
(6,639 posts)For Pence that means he must have been hiding behind Pence's integrity.
Shermann
(9,058 posts)It doesn't look good when your story drastically changes when you go under oath. Ask Sarah Sanders about that.