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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Trump is convicted, Secret Service protection may be obstacle to imprisonment
If convicted, it is likely that TFG will get some sort of home confinement or minimum security prison.
Link to tweet
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/08/04/trump-criminal-cases-prison-secret-service/
“Any federal district judge ought to understand it raises enormous and unprecedented logistical issues,” Rosenberg said of the prospect Trump could be incarcerated. “Probation, fines, community service and home confinement are all alternatives.”.....
Mary McCord, who served as acting assistant attorney general for national security during President Barack Obama’s administration and led the department for the first several months under Trump, said Trump presents unique challenges to the Justice Department. Ensuring some penalty for a former president under Secret Service detail would require extensive discussions and potential accommodations, “because it really would be a pretty enormous burden on our prison system to have to incarcerate Donald Trump.”
The question is an open one at the U.S. Secret Service. Asked whether a former president who does not waive protection can be incarcerated, agency spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said, “The Secret Service does not have a comment or response, only because there is no such policy or procedure that currently exists.”.....
Former and current Secret Service agents said that while there is no precedent, they feel certain the agency would insist on providing some form of 24/7 protection to an imprisoned former president. And, they say, the agency is probably planning for that possibility, seeking to match to some degree its normal practice of rotating three daily shifts of at least one or two agents providing close proximity protection.
I suspect that TFG will get some sort of home confinement.
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kimbutgar
(27,198 posts)He needs to be sent to Guantanamo with his secret service agents in my opinion, No internet or Tv!
leftieNanner
(16,155 posts)No more online BS.
MiHale
(12,949 posts)
usedtobedemgurl
(2,020 posts)That place needs to be closed down. We were not wanted there, we were not welcome and they have not cashed a single check we sent for being there. Isn’t it time to stop going there when they have made it clear Cuba does not want us?
Fullduplexxx
(8,624 posts)
phylny
(8,818 posts)
Omnipresent
(7,421 posts)No one can harm him in that way.
Captain Zero
(8,871 posts)Outfit it with all the Amenities. Golden toilets etc. But incommunicado.
Jeebo
(2,559 posts)Like Rudolf Hess in Spandau prison.
-- Ron
dflprincess
(29,326 posts)Make him part of the tour.
TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)Line the jail cell with plexiglass and tourists can throw peanuts at him.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,437 posts)
Buns_of_Fire
(19,126 posts)they probably already have in Japan. Pre-packaged Big Macs, french fries, fish sandwiches, pork rinds. Put it right next to the Diet Coke vending machine.
Definitely plexiglass, though. His subspecies is well-known for throwing feces.
Rhiannon12866
(254,686 posts) MorbidButterflyTat
(4,437 posts) 
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Criminal defendants lose all kinds of rights, property, and other assets upon conviction every day in our great country. There's nothing special about a criminal defendant who held high office once upon a time. An ex-president losing his Secret Service detail upon conviction of an infamous crime could serve as a deterrent for other presidents and ex-presidents.
I'm being informed that there has never been a president or an ex-president of the United States being convicted of a felony crime. In which case, I'd say if the defendant is convicted, losing his security detail is part of a just punishment.
tritsofme
(19,882 posts)The law would have to be changed to strip Secret Service protection from ex-presidents convicted of felonies.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,437 posts)Change the law then.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)...right?
LowerManhattanite
(2,433 posts)My head however understands this:
If you remove Secret Service protection from him, he is then unfortunately at the mercy of fellow inmates and possibly crooked guards who might be compromised by foreign powers and thus able to be forced to give up NatSec secrets only someone on his level would have.
It’s a potential huge NatSec issue unfortunately. Not so much HIS protection, but for that info.
malaise
(295,520 posts)LowerManhattanite
(2,433 posts)…about other countries, OUR country, compromising personal info on heads of state, etc.
I say, build him a little one-man jail on the outskirts of a military base and rotate the secret service detail out every 60-90 days. Set him up like ol’ Dangerous Dan in the clip below. Go 2:21 seconds in.
malaise
(295,520 posts)😀
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Stick the traitor in the Unabomber's or Hanssen's cell in a Supermax, lock door, throw away key.
Do not pass go, do not collect secret service protection anymore.
Or is that 'lifetime SS detail' part of the Constitution, and I just forget?
DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,499 posts)Lifetime protection was originally passed in 1958. It was reduced to 10 years after leaving office in 1994, which took effect in 1996. That limitation was removed in 2013 and restored to lifetime. The only way to remove it is changing the law. Otherwise, trump would have to voluntarily give up Secret Service protection. Impeaching and convicting him would have removed it as well, but that didn't happen.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)They can work in shifts.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)SS won't protect the inside alone. They'd need to oversee security of the perimeter as well. They'd also need at least one floater to relieve them for breaks and meals, as backup if a situation arises, and so on.
That's a minimum of three people per shift.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,092 posts)MorbidButterflyTat
(4,437 posts)probably supplying him with hookers and blow. 
Progressive dog
(7,598 posts)Swear in his guards as secret service agents. The ringleader of a plot should not be treated better than his helpers.
we can do it
(13,019 posts)Blah blah blah
Thunderbeast
(3,811 posts)Problem solved!
No way this should hinder justice.
LonePirate
(14,366 posts)If he is sentenced to home confinement, I want his golfing and visitor privileges revoked.
Irish_Dem
(81,015 posts)I refuse to believe the US government is not smart enough to figure out how to jail Trump.
If that is the only reason they use, then it is an excuse.
But yes this is the excuse to give Trump home confinement.
GoodRaisin
(10,867 posts)prison environment is fantasy. I expect he would be kept under guard in some location where he would live quite comfortably. Probably even with a golf course for him to enjoy.
This is why I would rather see him just croak as soon as possible.
republianmushroom
(22,270 posts)
wiggs
(8,786 posts)convicted Trump should face (if/when/what jurisdiction/what crime/how long), the US has many, many kinds of prisons in many kinds of places. It is a huge industry. Did they research the hundreds of different kinds of public and private prisons that exist? I'm sure a place can be found for him...even if the US buys a small home for him to do his time in, with a couple of double wides for secret service and prison guards placed in the driveway.
I like Rosenberg but his comment is made without benefit of knowing anything about the seriousness and types of crimes tfg might be convicted for. Or if it's state or fed. Or duration. Or if a plea deal is involved. Or if Trump is unrepentant, angry, threatening, etc during the trial. I'm fine with home confinement if he's acquitted on most charges and his sentence involves less than a year's incarceration. But if he stacks up conviction after conviction and most people in his situation would get prison time, then I'm sure TPTB can find a place for him.
The article ends with a knowledgable person, a former judge, saying that of course an accommodation could be made...unclear if it means at home or in a facility.
wiggs
(8,786 posts)Link to tweet
There is no reason a special housing unit can't be designated or built at an existing federal correctional institution that would be secure, safe & meet the Secret Service's needs.
wiggs
(8,786 posts)prison or other facility would be EASIER on the secret service as opposed to him traveling all over the world, dining out, meeting people at MAL, etc. he would be stuck in one place, easy to keep track.
Kid Berwyn
(24,201 posts)In his four years as pee-resident, did Trump do anything to improve conditions for inmates in federal prison?
Model35mech
(2,047 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)Saying TFG can't just be thrown into circulation pretty much implies that some people deserve to be "more safe" than others.
Model35mech
(2,047 posts)It's not so much that one person deserves to be more safe, as it is whether there is reason to believe that a prisoner faces more risk.
Not only is Trump associated with fame, that could make him a target for someone who want's the fame of assaulting or even killing a famous person. Trump has money, interest in that money could make him a target. TRUMP also has lived a privileged life which may be deeply resented by other inmates, could make him a target.
Should the prison system act with indifference to protecting Trump foreseeable elevated risk, lawsuits can be initiated seeking change of place of imprisonment, and if injury happens due to indifference even against the institution and personnel.
LowerManhattanite
(2,433 posts)…Access to the HIGHEST ORDER of NatSec secrets.
You put a person like THAT in gen pop and it’s like having someone with access to winning lotto numbers. It’s not him I’d be worried about. It’s access to that f*cking “jackpot”.
Model35mech
(2,047 posts)Not because his co-inmates would have the contacts to deal with such, but because those who would be interested certainly could develop contacts with inmates to make information transfer possible.
LowerManhattanite
(2,433 posts)He definitely needs punishment. But I’m also thinking of the national security implications of “regular” jail. Unfortunately, the situation is bigger than just him.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)The people who plead guilty to felonies but then flip on a higher up--they often get protective custody in prison. So do former police officers and assorted celebrities.
The Constitution specifically declares it illegal to subject prisoners to cruel and unusual punishment. To most decent people, it's cruel to leave prisoners who are at higher risk of harm to fend for themselves when they're in jail. That's not keeping them "more safe" (good grief, the comparative for "safe" is SAFER). It's about keeping them *AS SAFE* as other prisoners.
You do get that, right?
Arazi
(8,871 posts)Away from the general population and voila! All the logistics issues disappear
Secret Service can convert several cells into offices and sleeping quarters when they’re taking shifts. It’s already almost empty - plenty of space - and super safe for America’s #1 terrorist
TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)Emile
(42,074 posts)in prison.
jmowreader
(53,133 posts)The law that gives the Secret Service its authority is 18 USC 3056.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3056
Paragraph A reads, "Under the direction of the Secretary of Homeland Security, the United States Secret Service is authorized to protect the following persons..."
Please note that the word "shall" is not in there.
Secretary Mayorkas could very easily decide that because the Bureau of Prisons has security guards, so long as Trump is kept separate from other prisoners at all times there is no need for Secret Service protection for him as long as he's in jail. This would naturally lead to the conclusion the only place suitable for holding him is ADX Florence, but DU has decided long ago that's where he needs to go. Well...except for those of us who would send him to Gitmo, reopen Alcatraz for him, stand him up against the wall or keelhaul him under a supertanker, but for most of you guys Supermax will do wonderfully.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Because it would make our relationship with Cuba even worse than it already is. Remember: He's the one who reinstated the trade embargo.
We'd be asking for trouble putting him there.
Alcatraz is out because it's not a prison anymore, and hasn't been for over half a century now. Even if it weren't a tourist trap now, it's still too dated and has other problems associated with using it as a suitable prison again.
As for your other "suggestions," he hasn't been charged with anything that calls for capital punishment, and we're technically not the kind of country that does extrajudicial executions. That's the kind of thing authoritarians and fascists support.
Emile
(42,074 posts)Nobody is calling for an execution, just lock him up. GITMO is where we send terrorists and Trump is terrorizing anyone who is trying to prosecute him. We never worried about what Cuba might think before.
Recycle_Guru
(2,973 posts)other than a microwave to heat up Hot Pockets
Blue Owl
(58,940 posts)
chowder66
(12,192 posts)If he is convicted of crimes committed during his presidency, then exceptions should be considered (not guaranteed).
If he is convicted of both he should be Hannibal Lecter'ed.
Brainfodder
(7,781 posts)Execute the shit then?
EndlessWire
(8,103 posts)“Probation, fines, community service and home confinement are all alternatives.”.....
OFGS! This man tried to overthrow our government and install himself as a dictator! Pardon me if I don't think that community service is appropriate for this level of treachery!
Wake up! He deserves to be convicted and tossed in the slammer! I don't give a RA if he is a former pRes or not. Build him his own jail if you must. We could save money by putting him in SuperMax. He won't need any SS detail for that! Where is the voice of reason? He gets to keep an SS detail? Why?? Maybe you want him to have his valet in there with him?
If he's convicted, it is one step down from TREASON! I say he forfeits it ALL. His freedom, his privilege, his SS detail, everything.
He should be strapped on a gurney with a spit mask over his head, masked up like Hannibal Lechter. His last motorcade should be one sheriff's van, one heavily armed police escort, followed by an ambulance. Let him rule his kingdom from jail.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,437 posts)GoCubsGo
(34,883 posts)Given what he's being charged with, he should lose his right to Secret Service protection if convicted. I hope the Secret Service also comes to this conclusion.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,092 posts)Kennah
(14,578 posts)MorbidButterflyTat
(4,437 posts)reason whatsoever that Secret Service agents should have to suffer incarceration, because of some old dusty law, or memo, or code, or whatever, that applies to law abiding citizens, not traitorous wannabe mobsters like that fucking fuck!
Let the rotten spoiled brat make license plates or wash dishes or work in the laundry for 2 cents a week, like everybody else! 
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)He will never be making license plates or washing dishes or any of the rest. He'd be in some kind of protective custody, just like people who have turned on higher ups in a drug cartel or the mob. Or celebrities. Or police officers. It's not to give such people *more* protection, but to keep them *as safe* as we would other prisoners. It's part of that "no cruel and unusual punishment" thing in the constitution.
Really.
We also have a law to provide him with Secret Service protection, and that law will *not* get repealed. The votes won't be there for it.
So he'll get that protection, because we're a nation of laws, not vindictive feelings.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Cine before the conviction? If he is sentenced to prison that should come first. The SS can guard the prison. That article does not support what the issues supposedly are.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Preferably in a control unit, because that has the highest security, short of the "Range 13" unit for serious troublemakers.
https://www.identiv.com/resources/blog/the-worlds-most-secure-buildings-adx-florence-prison.
An agent posted at the monitor station where he's kept, another working with the perimeter people, with a third floater as backup (and to cover breaks and meal times), and that should be enough coverage, with all the other security features. A team of 15 or so agents could easily cover that.
They won't need a bunch of government vehicles or golf carts and so on, because where will that idiot be going, unless it's to another trial?
They'd get hazard pay, of course, but most likely they'll die of boredom and being too sedentary, rather than at the hands of a freaky prisoner. ADX Florence isn't exactly the kind of place where prisoners have enough liberties to roam free and cause trouble. The security is actually tighter and better at ADX than it is at Merde-Loco.
Emile
(42,074 posts)
NYC Liberal
(20,453 posts)Not really that hard. It probably won't be as bad as a cell in a regular prison but he will be confined.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,097 posts)(not my original idea, but I can't find the tweet or article that I saw it in). There are always fellow law-breakers in any part of the Trump regime.
Emile
(42,074 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(19,126 posts)Heck, even leave him a boat and/or a helicopter. His buddy Mark Burnett can make a reality show about his continuing attempts to escape before global warming settles the issue once and for all (in the last show of the series).
In tonight's episode, much hilarity ensues as Big Dummy attempts to fly his free helicopter off the melting floe, destroying both his free helicopter and his free boat in the process. Special Guest Detainee: Stephen Miller.
malaise
(295,520 posts)Federal crimes just me two cents.
Emile
(42,074 posts)
spanone
(141,434 posts)
William769
(59,147 posts)Should have never reinstated "for life".
They should pass a law stating that if your convicted of a crime, you forfeit Secret Service & the B.O.P will handle the care, custody & control of the Inmate.
I am a retired D.O.C. Florida & trust me when I say Prisons can adapt to any situation.
sir pball
(5,336 posts)One driver of Supermax design (not gonna get into the morality of it here, just the reality) is keeping the inmates safe from other, chronically murderous inmates. When they're locked in their concrete box, they're some of the safest people on Earth.
For the 30 minutes a day he'd be allowed human contact, it could be SS agents rather than normal screws.
Takket
(23,680 posts)We put a man on the moon. I think we can figure this out.
Let’s get him convicted first.
treestar
(82,383 posts)than out in the world. It would be much easier to control access to him. The SS can easily protect him by protecting the prison or his cell.
Just another excuse. He can't be indicted because he's POTUS, now he can't serve time because he was POTUS?
No one is above the law. What's the deal with claiming the POTUS is? Why do we make such a thing of this office?
dalton99a
(93,934 posts)LowerManhattanite
(2,433 posts)…went to prison for Watergate crimes:
“On August 2, 1974, Sirica handed down a sentence to Dean of one to four years in a minimum-security prison. But when Dean surrendered as scheduled on September 3, he was diverted to the custody of U.S. Marshals and kept instead at Fort Holabird (near Baltimore, Maryland) in a special "safe house" primarily used for witnesses against the Mafia.”
A glorified cabin. No Internet—unless monitored. No golf. No hairdresser. No open windows. Nunnadat.
prodigitalson
(3,193 posts)where there is a will there is a way.
he needs to do some time in a prison
milestogo
(23,016 posts)They'll be fighting over it. Offer free prison food.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,092 posts)Here is one suggestion that will work
Link to tweet
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-prison-2662847837/
While appearing on Alex Witt's show, Phang discussed along with guest host Richard Lui the logistical challenges of imprisoning Trump given that he is entitled to 24-7 protection from the United States Secret Service.
"I offered this solution the other day: Put him in solitary confinement," she said. "And then, he won't have exposure to the general population and then he won't be a safety risk, a security risk."
While prisons in the United States do place some inmates in solitary confinement, many human rights organizations have decried the practice as torture.