If Trump gets elected this country will be over.

[edisdead]

It WILL be the end of the country as we know it. And thus, he HAS to go to prison. Sure, he could run and win from prison technically, but he won’t win. But if he is put back into power what we know of democracy and rule of law will be completely gone.

He and his cronies ate going to go after everyone and they are going to use the DOJ as their personal police force. They are going to create “election police” to ensure elections go their way (more than they already do).

This election is the whole enchilada. I know people on this forum understand this but we all need to make sure everyone else understands it and that they make sure others do as well.

In addition we need to make sure that the powers that be understand that this turd needs to be in prison and that the general public understands exactly why. These trials ABSOLUTELY MUST be televised. They have to be.

[brush]

1. Absolutely. He's said he's the magats retribution. But actually...

you know the old adage that if you come for the king, you best not miss?

Well, the bastard came for nation on J6 and he fucking missed. Now he's paying for it.

His ass is going down.

[Wednesdays]

4. Conversely, if you go after tRump, you best not miss!

[brush]

6. WTF? Does three indictments and another coming in Georgia soon...

look like a miss to you?

After a life of never being held accountable, he's getting hit with four different cases.

[Marius25]

8. It is if he's not convicted. The documents case is more solid, but it's in a bad district

with a horrible judge.

The election overthrow case is a bit weaker legally, but has a better judge/jury.

[brush]

14. The docs case is very strong with undeniable evidence.

That trumper judge will do what she can to delay it but no one can get around the evidence of him having stolen docs and then hiding and moving them to obstruct justice.

IMO though the J6 case is the strongest. SC Smith has worded the indictments precisely so the argument tried by his attorneys that he has free speech/First Amendment rights, as threats to violence acted upon is not protected speech.

And then the other silly one contending he was acting on advice of counsel that he won the election is obviated as there are many instances cited by people like his very own AG, Bill Barr, that he was told that he lost.

The most recent one offered by his weak team that he was only trying to delay the counting of the EC votes to recount or send to the states' legislatures to audit is illegal and is not prescribed in the Constitution anywhere and therefore is nothing but a croc.

This IMO is stronger even than the docs case as the nation saw the attempted coup on TV, and we also saw he did nothing after spurring it on verbally to stop it...for several hours in violation of his oath of office to defend and protect the Constitution and the nation.

It looks like SC Smith targeted only trump and not the co-comspirators to cut down on multiple lawyer motions causing delays so the trial can get started quick, even before the docs case, and with a no nonsense judge and blue jury pool, trump is in big trouble as moving to another venue won't fly even as the whole nation is familiar with the case and no jurisdiction is impartial.

He's going down, probably eventually in Georgia and Florida, but first in DC.

[Marius25]

15. But how do you prove intent in the J6 case? Trump can just keep claiming he truly

believed it was stolen, no matter what anyone told him otherwise.

[brush]

16. He can pretend all he wants but when credible witnesses like Barr...

and WH counsel and several others testify that they told him he lost, it won't work in court as he's not a blithering, deaf and dumb moron who can't hear and understand words.

That croc of shit argument fools no one.

[stuck in the middle]

29. He can talk about his beliefs all he wants.

But how do you prove intent in the J6 case? Trump can just keep claiming he truly believed it was stolen, no matter what anyone told him otherwise.

But he’ll have to do so from the witness stand, and in court, what matters is evidence, not silly internet memes masquerading as logic.

The evidence is clear.

Mr trump is No True Scotsman.

The Logical Song

[Wednesdays]

18. I didn't mean to imply the indictments were "misses"

But if he's allowed to walk free in November 2024 and he wins the White House, we're all in a world of shit.

On edit: see post #11 for more details.

[brush]

19. Agreed if he were to win the election. I have more faith in the nation...

and don't think we'll elect this rapist crook who will have been tried and most likely convicted at least once by then.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

2. Televise it!!!

The nation needs to hear the truth without spin or evil conservative manipulating agendas talking over the truth.

[roamer65]

3. The country will definitely fracture.

Just like November 1860 to March 1861.

[TheRealNorth]

9. Then it would be better if we have our guy or gal in the WH

[Kaleva]

5. Climate change is going to change this country .

[edisdead]

7. ok.

[Kaleva]

10. Do you not agree?

[roamer65]

12. I agree 💯 percent.

Northward they will come to escape wet bulb temperatures.

[edisdead]

20. I absolutely agree.

But not sure why that reply.

[Kaleva]

24. I wasn't sure by your response whether you agreed...

or were being sarcastic.

[ret5hd]

11. That's the entire goal.

Think of the riches that would open in such a scenario:

Hundreds of thousands of acres of forest opened for exploitation. All the national forests, etc.

Hundreds of thousands of acres opened for “owning”. Think of the Bundy’s.

All of the uranium, oil, gold, silver, on those same thousands of acres.

Even the airwaves. The water. The food.

The chemicals that would be freely released into the environment.

The propaganda (advertising) that would be allowed.

The entire multi-generational holdings of this country, up for grabs by the strongest, most ruthless, most amoral, most selfish people the world has ever likely produced.

The hell that would be unleashed has never been contemplated. Not by Orwell, not by Huxley, not even by Wes Craven.

[Stuart G]

13. Trump will NOT GET ELECTED TO ANYTHING...EVER!!!

Trump may have 25 - 30 pecent. Maybe less. With the trial, convictions, appeals, etc.

Yes, I do think that the Trump will be convicted. Appeals will last forever. But when 12, people
decide he is NOT innocent, his numbers will go down. As a convicted felon, families will discuss Trump
as never before............WHY? A CONVICTED FELON, IS NOT A CHARGED OR INNOCENT PERSON

AS FAMILIES DISCUSS A ..."CONVICTED FELON", MORE AND MORE WILL BE CONVINCED THAT HE SHOULD....
....NOT BE ELECTED TO ANYTHING, EVER...
________________________________________________________________________________________

YES, I DO BELIEVE HE WILL BE CHARGED, CONVICTED AND SENT TO JAIL...TRUMP MAY NOT GO TO JAIL
BECAUSE OF APPEALS, BUT THAT JURY OF 12 MEN AND WOMEN WILL CONVICT HIM.. WHY?.....

BECAUSE IT IS CLEAR TO US, AND MOST PEOPLE THAT DONALD TRUMP BROKE THE LAW. .........

WHEN THE TRUMP IS CONVICTED BY A JURY OF BREAKING THE LAW, THEN HE IS TOTALLY DONE.
TRUMP CAN APPEAL, AND SUGGEST THAT IT WAS UNFAIR...BUT THAT IS HOW THE U.S.A. WORKS.....
CONVICTIONS MEAN A PERSON IS ...NOT INNOCENT...BUT GUILTY...

[MistakenLamb]

25. 2016 called, they said your claim is terrible

You are dead wrong if you don't think Trump could be re-elected despite everything. He is a formidable opponent who drives out his base, white no-college, like no other. Look at the margins in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Combine increasing support from Black men (Trump got nearly 20 percent), and Latino support along with whatever grift that the Greens and No Labels cause, this could be a realistic map for next November.

This party has no soul, it protests and calls any election they don't win fraudulent and makes millions from rubes from that grift. Unless Trump dies he will be the nominee. The GOP has a chance to control both the house and senate off that white retribution of a scandal free 2 term black man as president.

[Blue Owl]

17. He won't

[Kennah]

21. I agree. If elected, it's over.

He seems to be bankrupting state GOOP parties, so a lack of a viable campaign could mean the GOOP loses the House.

He could lose bigly and destroy the modern GOOP, which is needed.

[Silent3]

22. And if Trump doesn't get elected, we're just buying more time to *really* save it

Make no mistake about this.

Eventually Democrats will lose important elections. We won't be safe until the racist, authoritarian, conspiracy-addled Republican party is burned to the ground, and a more sane opposition party rises from the ashes.

[struggle4progress]

23. Do Americans have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Trump?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

[betsuni]

26. He won't win. Nuts with no responsibilities will vote for him, those with businesses

and jobs and lives will probably think of themselves and not want everything destroyed, need customers with money to spend, don't want capitalism destroyed for some sort of populist revolution. They won't give up their nice lives for Trump.

[honest.abe]

27. I hope you are right but..

I don’t think most R voters with businesses and jobs think Trump is a threat to them. In fact many probably think Trump in the WH will be good for the economy.

[betsuni]

30. The crazier Trump gets and the more trouble he's in, wanting to shake things up way too much to the

the point that society is disrupted, more supporters will think about themselves and start to get "economic anxiety" but for real this time. One hopes.

[honest.abe]

31. Yes. In fact that would be a good strategy for campaign ads.

Make it clear how big a threat to the economy that Trump would bring if he wins again.

[William769]

28. If America falls

So does the world.