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(94,213 posts)
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:20 PM Aug 2023

Trump already violated the Magistrate's order

Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney 30m
Donald Trump swore in court yesterday he would not attempt to influence or intimidate witnesses, retaliate against anyone, or in any other way attempt to obstruct the administration of justice.

“Are you prepared to comply?” the magistrate judge asked.

“Yes,” Trump replied.




Joyce Alene @JoyceWhiteVance · 24m
Free speech is one thing, but this is over the line. As a prosecutor, I'd be sorely tempted to make a motion to revoke Trump's pre-trial bond & put him in custody. Let him explain it to the judge.
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Trump already violated the Magistrate's order (Original Post) bigtree Aug 2023 OP
Ambiguity is certainly a talent he has. And with no hate speech laws, can't even be Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #1
This is up to the judge Happy Hoosier Aug 2023 #91
I am sure Jack Smith has already talked with the Judge. ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2023 #2
Pretty sure Jack Smith knows not to have ex parte conversations with the judge. onenote Aug 2023 #34
Does someone have to get hurt or worse Deuxcents Aug 2023 #3
That's already happened, and still no accountability. LakeArenal Aug 2023 #5
His threats and angry rhetoric have already harmed people. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #7
Dip's main reason for running is to stop his prosecution. Kid Berwyn Aug 2023 #12
The revenge will be brutal. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #13
Brutal and total. And if he could, he'd live for ever. Kid Berwyn Aug 2023 #17
Once back in the WH he gets the best medical care in the entire world. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #20
Post removed Post removed Aug 2023 #23
Hello again. Tanuki Aug 2023 #26
Who was it? senseandsensibility Aug 2023 #29
I will PM you what it was. nt Quixote1818 Aug 2023 #33
Would you mind PMing me also. I do miss ... Whiskeytide Aug 2023 #78
I got to rule on that one. Quixote1818 Aug 2023 #31
Darn! Did I just miss our least-favourite troll? niyad Aug 2023 #60
Don't you hate when that happens? dchill Aug 2023 #66
Some days, I miss all the fun!!! niyad Aug 2023 #68
At least we get to see some of it when doing jury duty. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #81
True about jury duty. I think I have been on one more than a dozen times just niyad Aug 2023 #82
Yes same here. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #95
stochastic terrorism Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #4
Gabby was seriously wounded and RVN VET71 Aug 2023 #61
Any one of us would have to Haggard Celine Aug 2023 #6
Nor did we steal classified documents which put people in harm's way. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #8
K AND R...I THINK THAT DONNIE BOY HAS STEPPED OVER THAT LINE....AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE LINE IS. Stuart G Aug 2023 #9
He is testing the judge. colorado_ufo Aug 2023 #93
Define going after? Why can you speak ill of people and pwb Aug 2023 #10
Trump is trying to test the waters Docreed2003 Aug 2023 #11
Yep. He figures he can't lose. He can keep going and get more and more outrageous. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #15
The potential for violence is always there with some of his crowd Docreed2003 Aug 2023 #22
Trump cares about the violence in his name. He loves it. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #25
Bang on, Irish_Dem. Haggis 4 Breakfast Aug 2023 #32
Hopefully the judicial teams, witnesses, and jury will be protected. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #36
Well, at the Fulton County Court House, Haggis 4 Breakfast Aug 2023 #43
Trump is the star of show, everyone else -- just props to be used and discarded. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #44
What do you think he would have done/said IF his goons actually killed someone ? Haggis 4 Breakfast Aug 2023 #46
He would have called the killers heroes who were protecting God, the US, the Constitution. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #49
And taxpayers have to foot the bills for all those extra measures... Justice matters. Aug 2023 #92
Yes indeed. Sick fuck. Mussolini re-incarnated Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #39
Yes. Like Mussolini, Putin, Hitler. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #42
Well, Hitler committed suicide. Trumps ego is to big to do that. Butterflylady Aug 2023 #53
Trump joins the ranks of the world's worst leaders. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #73
No, like Putin orangecrush Aug 2023 #87
and DeSatan is no better. Just a bit more "polished" coming from Harvard? Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #94
Except he figures wrong this time Generic Brad Aug 2023 #56
And his history is that he has always had control. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #74
I'm expecting narcissistic meltdown this upcoming week Generic Brad Aug 2023 #76
I think the meltdown started today. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #79
Yes he stepped his toe over the line Tree Lady Aug 2023 #21
That fits with his emotional maturity for sure Docreed2003 Aug 2023 #24
Yep. He's testing his 'free speech' boundaries. herding cats Aug 2023 #58
He is losing it... a different meaning to "Lock Him Up!" lostnfound Aug 2023 #14
He has a rally tonight... kentuck Aug 2023 #16
here's the thing, from someone who used to be a troublemaker bigtree Aug 2023 #27
I doubt MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #57
Nothing says "i dont think I can win" like... jcgoldie Aug 2023 #18
Who had one day in the office pool? sinkingfeeling Aug 2023 #19
Quite aa few. I figured it would be yesterday. niyad Aug 2023 #63
In this queue ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #69
Checking Kennah Aug 2023 #72
Should We Really Be Surprised? panfluteman Aug 2023 #28
She ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #70
Thanks for this senseandsensibility Aug 2023 #30
Go fuck yourself you fat fucking fuck Blue Owl Aug 2023 #35
What do you have against fat fucking fucks?🤪 rubbersole Aug 2023 #48
Only tRump is the fattest fucking fuck Blue Owl Aug 2023 #54
It's not MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #59
Jail him incommunicado until the trial is over Orrex Aug 2023 #37
"Trump will violate the order in 3, 2... Oh, never mind. What a surprise." Beartracks Aug 2023 #38
"But your honour, I wasn't talking about you when I said 'you'..." Fiendish Thingy Aug 2023 #40
He should have to appear to explain himself Captain Zero Aug 2023 #62
Unless something more egregious happens, I'm guessing it will wait until the 28th Fiendish Thingy Aug 2023 #64
She can call him in ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #71
That's basically exactly what he's saying now. Scrivener7 Aug 2023 #85
Directed to the United States government generally Ponietz Aug 2023 #41
He is pushing it always testing to see what he can get away with how others react. gordianot Aug 2023 #45
What a child he is. milestogo Aug 2023 #47
Retweeted Kyle Cheney * Joyce Alene.. Cha Aug 2023 #50
100% agree Takket Aug 2023 #75
Yes. What you said. TY!💙🇺🇸 Cha Aug 2023 #77
Lock him up until his trial! Emile Aug 2023 #51
Excellent point NT Rorey Aug 2023 #67
It's clearly time to take Trump into custody and hold him until his trial concludes. Then, he can... xocetaceans Aug 2023 #52
Or... Richard D Aug 2023 #84
seriously, lock his ass up SouthernDem4ever Aug 2023 #55
Deal with him now - or deal with him later... dchill Aug 2023 #65
Kick dalton99a Aug 2023 #80
Jesus, what a total dick. mwb970 Aug 2023 #83
Someone better stop this dangerous fascist....and soon. democrank Aug 2023 #86
LOCK THE FUCKER UP NOW Novara Aug 2023 #88
This is nothing new ejbr Aug 2023 #89
If he's not jailed until the trial, this will go on. lees1975 Aug 2023 #90
 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
1. Ambiguity is certainly a talent he has. And with no hate speech laws, can't even be
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:21 PM
Aug 2023

sent to court to interpret.

Happy Hoosier

(9,531 posts)
91. This is up to the judge
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 11:32 AM
Aug 2023

Laws don’t have to be broken for a judge to determine their order was violated. Trump is clearly threatening retaliation in violation of the order. He was threatening both the prosecutors and potential witnesses.

onenote

(46,135 posts)
34. Pretty sure Jack Smith knows not to have ex parte conversations with the judge.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:10 PM
Aug 2023

If Smith has something to say about Trump's tweet, he'll put it writing and file it with the court.

Deuxcents

(26,821 posts)
3. Does someone have to get hurt or worse
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:23 PM
Aug 2023

Before he is held accountable for threatening people? This is not free speech

Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
7. His threats and angry rhetoric have already harmed people.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:33 PM
Aug 2023

And he is still allowed to threaten the criminal justice system.

Kid Berwyn

(24,304 posts)
12. Dip's main reason for running is to stop his prosecution.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:39 PM
Aug 2023

And should he win, next comes revenge.

This time, the American People won’t get defrauded by Russia, like in 2016.

Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
13. The revenge will be brutal.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:43 PM
Aug 2023

And he will also steal everything he didn't get the first time.

Kid Berwyn

(24,304 posts)
17. Brutal and total. And if he could, he'd live for ever.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:51 PM
Aug 2023

Of course, a grateful Reich would do all it can to sustain a deranged moron.


Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
20. Once back in the WH he gets the best medical care in the entire world.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:55 PM
Aug 2023

Military doctors and hospitals literally on call wherever he travels.
So he could live longer than expected.

No one can imagine the constant and very expensive medical care Dick Cheney
received when he was VP.

Response to Deuxcents (Reply #3)

Whiskeytide

(4,655 posts)
78. Would you mind PMing me also. I do miss ...
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:57 PM
Aug 2023

… being able to see those posts. It was one of my favorite things about DU back before Тяцмp came along and it got so toxic.

Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
81. At least we get to see some of it when doing jury duty.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 10:17 PM
Aug 2023

But yes DUers and MIRT are so dang fast we miss most of the action.
Of course if they weren't efficient we would complain about that I suppose.

niyad

(132,261 posts)
82. True about jury duty. I think I have been on one more than a dozen times just
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 10:21 PM
Aug 2023

in the last few days.

RVN VET71

(3,192 posts)
61. Gabby was seriously wounded and
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 08:44 PM
Aug 2023

The demented maniac who shot and wounded her also murdered Dallas Green's 9 year old grand daughter -- "collaterol damage" I think they call it.

Haggard Celine

(17,807 posts)
6. Any one of us would have to
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:28 PM
Aug 2023

cool our heels in jail until the trial. And none of us have tried to overthrow the government. Every day he goes without being locked up is an insult to the rest of us.

Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
8. Nor did we steal classified documents which put people in harm's way.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:34 PM
Aug 2023

Yes you are right, it is an insult to those of us who follow the rules and laws.

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
9. K AND R...I THINK THAT DONNIE BOY HAS STEPPED OVER THAT LINE....AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE LINE IS.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:35 PM
Aug 2023

pwb

(12,642 posts)
10. Define going after? Why can you speak ill of people and
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:36 PM
Aug 2023

when you get some back you throw your lawyers and thugs and money around at them? Someone should start an anti trump legal defense fund and take that play away from him. Sue us all.

Docreed2003

(18,714 posts)
11. Trump is trying to test the waters
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:39 PM
Aug 2023

Best case scenario he gets to keep posting his screeds on his social media page, worst case they shut his ass down and he gets to fundraise off of how he's being "persecuted". His games are tiresome.

Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
15. Yep. He figures he can't lose. He can keep going and get more and more outrageous.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:47 PM
Aug 2023

And stir up his base to commit violence.
Or he gets shut down and raises a ton of money by being the jesus victim.

Docreed2003

(18,714 posts)
22. The potential for violence is always there with some of his crowd
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:56 PM
Aug 2023

I don't think Trump cares about anything other than raising money and he covets the idea of being back in the office of President to unleash hell on anyone who opposed him in any way.

Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
25. Trump cares about the violence in his name. He loves it.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:59 PM
Aug 2023

He is a sadistic sociopath and gets turned on by the suffering of others.

And he loves being so adored people will literally kill for him.

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,505 posts)
32. Bang on, Irish_Dem.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:07 PM
Aug 2023

This is all he has left. Fine. Let his suicidal supporters sacrifice their wasted lives on the alter of trump.

This time around, law enforcement will be ready for them.

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,505 posts)
43. Well, at the Fulton County Court House,
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:22 PM
Aug 2023

they erected fences and barriers. Let's hope they pump up security at the other venues.

It takes a really sick mind that wants to see innocent American blood shed just to bolster his ego.

Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
44. Trump is the star of show, everyone else -- just props to be used and discarded.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:25 PM
Aug 2023

Or killed. He had no concern at all about Pence being hung from gallows.
Or the capitol police being maimed or killed.

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,505 posts)
46. What do you think he would have done/said IF his goons actually killed someone ?
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:32 PM
Aug 2023

Pence ? Nancy Pelosi ? Chuck Schumer ? Adam Schiff ? Liz Cheney ?

Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
49. He would have called the killers heroes who were protecting God, the US, the Constitution.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:37 PM
Aug 2023

And this is what happens when people cheat and steal elections.
The good guys come after the bad guys.

Justice matters.

(9,758 posts)
92. And taxpayers have to foot the bills for all those extra measures...
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 11:34 AM
Aug 2023

And it's not the well-offs top 1% who have to pay more interest on the state's cc debt.

Butterflylady

(4,584 posts)
53. Well, Hitler committed suicide. Trumps ego is to big to do that.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:44 PM
Aug 2023

Mussolini was hung by his feet along with his mistress and another guy so that won't happen. Putin will get his one day for all the people that died by his hand. So mr. trump is in great company.

Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
73. Trump joins the ranks of the world's worst leaders.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:38 PM
Aug 2023

I have no idea how it will all end.
If this were a movie I wouldn't believe any of it.

orangecrush

(30,183 posts)
87. No, like Putin
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 10:56 AM
Aug 2023

A different breed of animal

The people saying "America won't be fooled by Russia again" are whistling past the graveyard.

He is the frontrunner for the GOP Presidential nomination.

Trump was a masterstroke by Putin, and remains the biggest threat to life as we have known it in the US ever posed from within our borders.

His remark about coming after those who try to stop him, and still walking around free serve the purpose of demonstrating that the judicial system is not going to stop him.

I am starting to believe it will take a plan and masterstroke of equal magnitude and audacity to put Trump and enablers down to where they can no longer operate.

What that would look like, I don't know, but I sure hope it's in the works.

Generic Brad

(14,374 posts)
56. Except he figures wrong this time
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 08:31 PM
Aug 2023

As a narcissist he naturally assumes he always has a degree of control. That is not going to fly this time. He's already lost except he has not realized it yet.

Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
74. And his history is that he has always had control.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:48 PM
Aug 2023

He has always been able to lie, bribe, threaten, sue his way out of trouble.
He even got away with brazen sexual assaults on women in public.

Yes it is going to be interesting to see how he reacts when he understands he does not
have total control over his life like in the past.

We can see how he reacted to the judge calling him "Mr. Trump."
He erupted several hours later with raging threats against her and the prosecution team.

I think he is going to get much worse unless some limits are set.

Generic Brad

(14,374 posts)
76. I'm expecting narcissistic meltdown this upcoming week
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:52 PM
Aug 2023

I also expect him to give a signal or code to his acolytes to terrorize his “enemies “. What happens in Georgia next week will bring this all to a head.

Irish_Dem

(81,161 posts)
79. I think the meltdown started today.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:57 PM
Aug 2023

With the all caps threat against those coming after him.
It was aimed at the judge in particular after he felt humiliated by her.
But he blames Smith so he is a target as well.
All the prosecutors are.

I agree, Trump is going to ramp it up and try to burn it all down.
And yes Georgia is going to bring it all to a head.

Tree Lady

(13,269 posts)
21. Yes he stepped his toe over the line
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:56 PM
Aug 2023

to see if judge will do anything, if not he will go further and further.

Just like a 2 yr old testing his parents.

herding cats

(20,047 posts)
58. Yep. He's testing his 'free speech' boundaries.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 08:37 PM
Aug 2023

Then he's going to use any quashing of his speech to make the point it's all about controlling his 'free speech' and nothing more. He's a victim of a corrupt DOJ, etc. It's a major plank of his defense.

Which we all know is complete BS, but I suspect that's what he's doing here. It's just more of his trying this in the court of public opinion of his supporters.

kentuck

(115,400 posts)
16. He has a rally tonight...
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:47 PM
Aug 2023

...and some people may be watching him very closely? I think he wants them to arrest him. He thinks that would be the catalyst for his people to storm the gates.

bigtree

(94,213 posts)
27. here's the thing, from someone who used to be a troublemaker
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:03 PM
Aug 2023

...once they haul you in, no one wants to know you.

It's the mark of a dumbass.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
18. Nothing says "i dont think I can win" like...
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:53 PM
Aug 2023

Send me to jail I prefer chaos over evenntrying.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
69. In this queue
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:29 PM
Aug 2023

I was surprised he didn't do it when he walked out of the courthouse and saw cameras.

panfluteman

(2,193 posts)
28. Should We Really Be Surprised?
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:05 PM
Aug 2023

1) We know that Donald Trump is a pathological liar - 30K+ lies while in office
2) Donald Trump did not uphold his Oath of Office, and incited am insurrection against the very government / constitution he swore to protect and defend.
3) Donald Trump did to his Oath of Office exactly what he did to his marriage vows to Melania Trump - he broke them.
4) Without a legal leg to stand on, Donald Trump is in survival mode, and will do whatever he thinks will best ascertain his chances for survival.
5) So - knowing Donald Trump after putting up with him for what seems like an eternity now, can we really be surprised?

And finally - why the HECK don't we lock him up already? The judge has the right and the authority to do that, doesn't he???

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
70. She
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:31 PM
Aug 2023

The J6 judge is a woman, and I don't think she has much of a tolerance level for nonsense. She'll give him some leash--all liberal judges do--but it doesn't have as much slack in it as Fatty McDumbArse realizes.

Blue Owl

(59,040 posts)
54. Only tRump is the fattest fucking fuck
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 08:18 PM
Aug 2023

Normally I wouldn't fat-shame anyone but this piece of shit deserves it....

Orrex

(67,091 posts)
37. Jail him incommunicado until the trial is over
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:18 PM
Aug 2023

Or, failing that, let’s at least abandon the obvious lie that we have one system of justice for all.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,127 posts)
40. "But your honour, I wasn't talking about you when I said 'you'..."
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:20 PM
Aug 2023

“I was talking about my golf buddy”

He just needs a chance to explain…

Captain Zero

(8,896 posts)
62. He should have to appear to explain himself
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 08:45 PM
Aug 2023

Could the judge haul him in to explain in person all the remarks like this he makes?

That might cool his heels. He doesn't like appearances unless it's a Nazi rally.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,127 posts)
64. Unless something more egregious happens, I'm guessing it will wait until the 28th
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 08:56 PM
Aug 2023

Although I think the judge has excused Trump from appearing at that hearing, so we shall see…

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
71. She can call him in
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:33 PM
Aug 2023

But I don't think she will unless he says/does something super-egregious.

Or until her patience wears too thin.

Whichever comes first.

Ponietz

(4,319 posts)
41. Directed to the United States government generally
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:21 PM
Aug 2023

and specifically to each prosecutor, judge, and witness.

gordianot

(15,772 posts)
45. He is pushing it always testing to see what he can get away with how others react.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:30 PM
Aug 2023

This is the end result of a lifetime without real consequences. Who is left to pay off now?

Takket

(23,705 posts)
75. 100% agree
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:51 PM
Aug 2023

The worst thing the judge can do is say "no" but there is no reason not to at least ask.

Make him sit there with his hat in his hands so we can all see what a meek little wimp he really is when he tries to explain

xocetaceans

(4,432 posts)
52. It's clearly time to take Trump into custody and hold him until his trial concludes. Then, he can...
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:42 PM
Aug 2023

...be sent off to solitary confinement in a SuperMax-equivalent prison or maybe on to Guantanamo Bay, if convicted.

It seems like it would probably be difficult to protect him (and national security) in a general population, so solitary confinement probably makes sense for him.

mwb970

(12,148 posts)
83. Jesus, what a total dick.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:29 AM
Aug 2023

Why do his worshipers love him so intensely? He's a jerk and a despicable ahole. Do they not know this? I don't get it.

democrank

(12,589 posts)
86. Someone better stop this dangerous fascist....and soon.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 10:44 AM
Aug 2023

If no man is above the law, Trump needs to be brought down a few pegs. Punish him for his outrageous behavior.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
88. LOCK THE FUCKER UP NOW
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 11:03 AM
Aug 2023

He's already violated the judge's order.

She was smart - she was specific, but not explicit. He's violated her order already (with the emotional maturity of a 2-year old).

LOCK HIM THE FUCK UP.

lees1975

(7,039 posts)
90. If he's not jailed until the trial, this will go on.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 11:26 AM
Aug 2023

It is making a mockery of the DOJ and the court. He has no respect for the law, so the law needs to smack him down and show him who is boss.

Come on people, grow some balls and do the right thing.

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