Look. He's lonely and here's a good-looking lady throwing herself at him.

[closeupready]

What was he supposed to do?

>> "The man's off in a foreign land and he's lonely and here's a good looking lady throwing herself at him. I mean, he's a man," Robertson said in an interview.

He continued describing Paula Broadwell:

"She is an extremely good looking woman. She is a marathon runner. She runs Iron Man triathlons. So she's out running with him and writing a biography."

"I think the term is 'propinquity.'"<<

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/11/pat-robertson-on-david-petraeus-affair-hes-a-man-shes-hot/

Yes, I'm being sarcastic. This story actually almost made me spit up my coffee this morning.

[struggle4progress]

1. "Now let's talk some more about the gay threat to marriage"

[RepublicansRZombies]

58. I know, seriously

we need to shame the corporate media, not perpetuate their distractions.

[tarheelsunc]

2. My wife is halfway around the world.

I don't have sex with other women, because I am a man and I am faithful to my wife.

[kjackson227]

57. Ahhhhhh, that is sooo sweet :)

[hlthe2b]

3. It slays me that most men would not take great offense at that attitude.

The old stereotypical adage of men thinking with an organ other than their brain seems to be what Pat Robertson is espousing. Really guys? You don't find that incredibly offensive?

[Brickbat]

5. Many don't because they benefit from it.

"Aw, honey, you know how guys are. I just couldn't control myself."

"We cover our women so they do not inflame the uncontrollable men. (It also makes it hard for them to vote and drive, too!)"

"Bitch was asking for it. Dressing like that, no red-blooded male would stop himself."

[treestar]

17. The worst of men like to hide behind the idea that their behavior is "hard wired"

and they can't help it. They want it to be that way. How convenient. Then sink the rest of the men down with them.

[seabeyond]

32. reality, women have affairs almost as much as men. both minority groups. men wired for it. women?

what about the women? are they just wired for it? cause men sure do not like or accept that idea. but, women are suppose to accept men are just wired.

one contradiction, never answered.

second.

men are wired.

yet, only a small minority cheat. and almost all those people whose parents cheated. but, only a minority.

if men are wired, why do the vast majority not cheat. they are men, wired, and dont cheat.

it is all around bullshit that men (even men not cheating) embrace cause it feeds the all powerful, every present, godlike awesome male sexuality. feels good for a man. to see his sexuality just so damn incredible. even if they do not cheat.

[Arugula Latte]

34. Judging from what happened to about every other family on my block when I was a kid...

I'm doubting it is a small minority. Also, I've heard about affairs of people I'd never in a million years think "would be the type."

[seabeyond]

39. it is pretty consistent with various studies. cheaters like to pretend it is majority or all

people. that is not fact.

16% or more of women and 21% of men cheat in marriages. i have pulled a number of good studies. not gonna this time.

[Bake]

55. Where did you get those numbers?

Anybody can throw percentages out. Documentation?



Bake

[seabeyond]

60. there are so many that are consistent.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1778119

[Bake]

69. And these are self-reported?

Color me skeptical.



Bake

[Spike89]

65. I agree, seen your references elsewhere, but have slight reservations

I do believe the majority of people do maintain their vows, but I'm always leery of self-reported percentage studies for "illicit" behaviors. As I've posted before, there has been and continues to be a double standard between men and women that makes it somewhat more difficult for women to admit to infidelity.

People do lie, and when they have (or feel they have) more to lose, they are more likely to lie. My guess is that percentages of women who have cheated is probably about the same as men and both are likely in the 25% area. We'll never really know because many people are in total denial that what they did was actually cheating, and some will just never tell the truth.

It also isn't clear from the studies if "cheating" is strictly breaking your personal vows, or if it includes being the "other woman" or "other man". Also, is it "cheating" if you're in an open/swinger relationship?

I actually don't think it matters what percentages are. What really matters are the expectations and responsibilities that partners agree on and how those understandings relate into trust and respect for each other. I've been in and witnessed some truly horrible relationships that didn't have fidelity issues and known "cheaters" that had strong relationships. It is a much more complicated world and people vary much more than we generally admit to ourselves.

[seabeyond]

68. there are actually a couple interesting studies on that also. i read a year or two ago....

and i am not gonna go hunting them. not an easy thing for me to do. but, i found it interesting and made sense. that is why they say women are above 16% and men are 21%.

they can get a consistent number on that for men. it is much easier for them to say that, ya they cheated, or not. not so easy for women. this has been found to be one area where women lie. and lie often, lol. all about the lying. and the couple of last studies i read on this does put women about even with men, and one said it is probably higher for women than men. but it is also the reason you state. a man is a stud for the fuck and a woman is a slut for the fuck. meh...

and really, i do not much care about all this. my point, and why i am continually putting this out. i too believed it was much higher. years of living and listening to men be outraged at the accusation of a cheater, the label, their pride in being faithful to wife, their wanting to be heard, their hurt of being thought otherwise, gave me pause. and i actually did research on it.

when it behooves a man, he wants to be all about the "think with his dick". when that stroke of the ego is not needed then you hear men proudly and stridently claim, they do not cheat, would not cheat, no interest in cheating.

i thought that should be honored. and thru research, i found that what i was hearing from men was more correct than not.

so the least we can do is not create a more worse of who we are, than what we actually are.

[seabeyond]

70. "around 20 percent for men, bit over 15 percent for women""women much better keeping affairs secret"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1211104/Think-men-unfaithful-sex-A-study-shows-WOMEN-biggest-cheats--theyre-just-better-lying-it.html

another article that was posted down below on this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021815340#post67

[dawg]

38. They are only hard wired to the extent selfishness is hard wired.

And it goes both ways. These men aren't having all these affairs with each other.

[treestar]

53. I'm talking too of what the traditionalists will say

Right wingers or conservatives. I don't agree with double standards, but the right wing will tell you happily all about them. Women are not "hard wired" to do things like cheat. In fact we are the ones who make the home and have the babies and that's why we prefer older and stable men (according to this double standard rule) while men want to do as many women as possible to "spread their seed" or such other BS. Which makes it a mystery why they aren't for polygamy. But leave it to conservatives not to make sense.

So that is why a conservative is the one feeling sorry for poor General P. He's hard wired to want other women, what can the poor guy do? Of course he overlooked that she was hard wired to stay home tending to her children, but conservatives overlook that or just rule that particular woman evil.

[dawg]

56. Honestly, most of these affairs aren't even about physical pleasure ...

much less "spreading their seed".

They are about the affirmation of being wanted by someone other than their long-suffering spouse. It is the ego rush and not the sexual rush that is the main reason most people cheat.

And since most people who rise to high-level positions like generals and politicians tend to be narcissists, it should come as no surprise that this happens as often as it does.

[HappyMe]

29. Those are some pretty

lame ass excuses.

What's her lame ass excuse?

[Glamrock]

6. Can't be offended by the truth

Speaking as a man, most of us do think with our dicks. Fact is, it's how we are wired. The point isn't whether or not that's true, but rather are we capable of using our hearts and minds to stifle a baser instinct.

[Jumping John]

10. I could say the same about beating women. Hey it is the Andrew Dice defense. n/t

[Glamrock]

20. I disagree

Procreation is man's strongest instinct after survival. Beating a woman is learned behavior. Don't think for a second that I'm giving the general a pass on this issue. I've been with my girl faithfully for 19 years, and I'm in a nationally touring rock band. My point was simply that, yes, we are ABSOLUTELY capable of thinking with our johnson's. And, in my opinion, apt to.

[treestar]

54. Women are capable of thinking with their

I don't know - I guess vaginas. Or why isn't Ms. Broadwell at home with her kids? Everyone is hard wired this way and can overcome it. Women traditionally were merely restricted with more social pressure. Now that's gone we see they have the same temptations.

[lumpy]

15. Apes and humans have the same 'problem'. Most other animals do it mainly for procreation,

not pleasure. Does anyone believe men are 'wired' and women are not?

[hlthe2b]

19. Then if you are arguing "most of us do think with our dicks" as you say, then you are likewise

arguing that your brain does not overule those "baser instincts?" So then men are just programmed to rape? I'm being facetious based on your comment, but truly carried to the most extreme level, that IS what you seem to be saying.

I won't include an eyeroll, because I refuse to think you are serious. If so, heaven help us.

[Glamrock]

23. Not quite

I argued that we have to use our hearts and minds to overrule our baser instincts. Also, just look around you. The truth is evident. If men didn't think w/their peni (plural for penis?), there would not be half naked women in every advertisement from chocolate to car wax.

[Glamrock]

26. Plus,

an affair between two consenting adults iz a far cry from rape. You don't have to be a genius to know that men do some really dumb shit to get laid.

[hlthe2b]

28. Yes, but that underscores my point

Men ARE capable of showing restraint (thinking with their brain) when they CHOOSE to. SO, that giving into their "baser instincts" ie., the "dumb shit they do" is just an excuse.

[Glamrock]

43. And

men who don't use the big head, ultimately use the smaller one.

[seabeyond]

45. and??? the excuse for the women that have equal behavior? nt

[Glamrock]

47. Beats me!

I's no kinda lady!

[seabeyond]

48. ya. go figure logic is not part of your argument. nt

[Glamrock]

59. Incorrect

The point was that men should be offended by the statement that men think with their dicks. This was not about whether or not a woman thinks with her hoo-hoo. As a man, I am telling you that, YES we do. It would be illogical for me to speak about whether or not a woman thinks with her aforementioned hoo-hoo since, as I stated, I am not a woman. But feel free to insult me again if it makes you feel better.

[seabeyond]

61. it's how we are wired.

this is what people are arguing. then women too are wired in the same manner?

you are claiming it is biological. not the really stupid and tired claim men "think" with their dicks, which is beyond overused.

[Glamrock]

64. Fine, you say tomato

I say men think with their dicks. Same thing isn't it (in the parlance of our times)?

[seabeyond]

66. i get it. all your identity, masculinity is wrapped up in this story. keep telling it...

we are all sittin back in awe at your awesomeness.

[Glamrock]

71. Finally,someone get's it!

I am quite awesome!

In all seriousness, I'm into this conversation because I'm stuck in a truck, traveling between jobs with a construction crew. If you were sitting where I am right now, BELIEVE ME, you'd say men think with their johnson's.

[seabeyond]

73. sure. it is how men bond. see who is more man and their johnson. nt

[Glamrock]

74. Really?

Now you're hittin me with gay jokes? How rude!

[HappyMe]

7. I would bet that there

are plenty of men that do find that offensive.

[seabeyond]

31. turn it around to. the wife was so far away. a good looking man, 6 pack. hey... she is a woman.

and then it will not be so easy to accept.

[dawg]

35. 6 pack?

But then I'd be too drunk to be any fun!

'Cause that's the only six-pack I have any chance of offering these days!

[seabeyond]

40. lol. had to throw something in about the looks, cause robertson said something about her ironman

contest, or something.

meh...

but, hear you. you are funny.

[hlthe2b]

36. really? Am I the only DUer that KNOWS they could manage some self control?

No, I don't find it easy to accept. These are willing choices and I refuse to blame biology on anything more than the urge. No matter how powerful our hormones, it is a willing and conscious choice over which we DO have control--both males and females. To suggest otherwise would suggest the kind of pathology that induces sexual predation toward others.

[seabeyond]

41. are you kidding? married 18 yrs and incredibly easy for hubby and i. it really is. for so many

reasons.

we still like getting it on with each other
no desire to hurt each other
like each other
not drama trauma kinda people.
strong character and integrity
knows right and wrong.
grass is not greener.
not worth it.
the other would walk
the other would take half

i could go on and on.

no, you are not the only duer.

so many of us KNOW better.

it is the stupid, that is tiresome

i am just tired of people approaching tis from men, when women equally do it and we pretend otherwise cause mens ego cannot handle it. men, get it. the minority of women do it equally to men. it is crap when women do it. it is crap when men do it.

[closeupready]

44. "women do it equally to men" - yes and interestingly,

don't ask me exactly why, but I fashioned my "what was he supposed to do?" line from Macarena, in which the female narrator beseeches listeners, "What was I supposed to do? He (her boyfriend) was out of town, and his two friends were SO FINE!"

[seabeyond]

46. yup. i was gonna say i really do not get....

but, i really get, lol.

as i have explained in one of these posts in this subthread.

yet, when talking about it is just biological. not a single man that insists it is a man thing with finish the sentence.

men do it cause of biology. women EQUALLY do it cause_______?

but, i love your answer

[hlthe2b]

75. Yes... women do it, but the difference is they don't blame it on their uncontrollable genitals

[seabeyond]

76. and there you go. that would be the difference. yes. that is the joke of all this crap. nt

[laundry_queen]

62. Exactly. It's a decision you make.

You make the decision that cheating is not an option, and then follow through. Not hard, IMO. If you cheat, it's a choice you were WILLING to go with, so you must be prepared to accept the consequences, the end. And agree 100% with your last sentence.

I kind of equate it with the decision I made not to spank my kids. I have friends who say things like, "well, I wasn't going to spank my kids but sometimes I just get so mad I can't help myself!" WTF? I made the decision NOT TO spank, ever, and you know what? Once you decide it's not an option, it's pretty easy not to spank. To say otherwise means you excuse those people who beat and abuse their kids because they were 'just so angry and full of rage' they couldn't help themselves.

[Glamrock]

4. Another example of...

Do as we say not as we do. Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner = bad Gen. Patreus, David Vitter = good! Anyone else completely fed up with the fucking double standards of the right? (pun intended )

[fleur-de-lisa]

13. Yes, what you said! ^^^ - eom

[Jumping John]

8. Another RW woman hating foot soldier justifies hating women. n/t

[Angry Dragon]

9. Pat in the past has had no problem buying sex

[MynameisBlarney]

11. Good looking?

I guess, if you think Paul Ryan in drag is good looking.

Also: Pat Robertson is a fucking moron.

[Liberalynn]

12. Robertson is one of the most disgusting vile

hypocritical pieces of crap that has ever existed. He makes me want to throw up every time I see his smarmy face or his creepy voice.

[Arkansas Granny]

14. As I said in another thread, men have been blaming women for their infidelities,

weaknesses and transgressions since Adam took a bite of that apple. And after admitting that they mainly think with their little head, many of them believe that women are too hormonal to make good decisions. Go figure!

[BlueToTheBone]

16. He's such a Christian!

They've been blaming women since their religion began.

[stevenleser]

18. I talked about this in the second block of my radio show last night.

Had a great time with it too:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/lesersense/2012/11/14/making-sense-with-steve-leser--fiscal-cliff-petreus-mj

[closeupready]

25. Thanks, Steve. I will give this a listen.

[MoonRiver]

21. Wonder if Robertson gives women the same pass.

Me thinks NOT.

[ohiosmith]

22. Not to intrude,....but speaking of propinquity:

[Xyzse]

24. I don't know...

As for me, I am more towards the point that if he is doing his job well, I am willing to look at this as a personal matter.

It doesn't excuse what he has done, but that is on him and his family.

The only ones I take exceptions with in that regards are those that are hypocritical about it like Newt who went after Clinton for his personal indiscretions. Otherwise, I could care less, and just look at how well they perform in the job that they have.

I will consider such an impropriety as their own mistake and personal failing apart from the job that they are doing. I am willing to give them their privacy and that is about all I am going to say about that.

[MynameisBlarney]

27. If it's only infidelity

I'm with ya, but it appears to be quite a bit more than merely cheating.

[Xyzse]

30. Then I'd have a problem

If it involves his job and deals with National Security Information that gets leaked.

[MynameisBlarney]

33. I think it does.

Apparently the FBI found a BUNCH of documents at Broadwells home that she should not have.
And this scandal is growing by the second.
Who knows how deep this rabbit hole goes.

[Xyzse]

50. Alright then...

That is plain stupidity then.

[MynameisBlarney]

51. Perhaps

I think there is far more going on here than meets the eye.
There may well be some serious charges brought against some BIG players in the near future.
And who knows how many will "suicide" themselves before it's all over.

[seabeyond]

37. i do not have a problem with others business until it is about denigrating women. i do not have an

issue, until i am told it is a mans hard wiring. or when someone argues it hurts no one. otherwise, i dont give a shit and it is not a news story.

and i do have a problem with it, when it outs behavior that effects the job.

[Xyzse]

49. I agree...

I still say he went in to that on his own and it is no one's fault but his own. I tend to think it is still a private matter. If other things come out after this, well, then I might care about that...

But for now, that is how I feel about it.

[MynameisBlarney]

52. This is looking to be MUCH more

than simple adultery.

[4th law of robotics]

42. "What was he supposed to do?"

Say no thank you ma'am, I'm married.

[mother earth]

63. Robertson is an asshole, plain and simple, excuses ok if he deems so. nt

[davidn3600]

67. Women have affairs too

Let's not make this just a male thing...Women do this too.

I just recently saw on Craigslist an ad by a woman looking for a "friend with benefits" in order to cheat on her husband.

In fact this UK study showed that not only do women cheat nearly as much as men, but women are far better at lying about it. The study even shows an alarming percentage of men are actually unknowingly raising a child that is not biologically theirs!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1211104/Think-men-unfaithful-sex-A-study-shows-WOMEN-biggest-cheats--theyre-just-better-lying-it.html

[Tommy_Carcetti]

72. Unless he's Bill Clinton.

Then he's evil incarnate.

[KansDem]

77. I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Pat Robertson has his "eyes":

She is an extremely good looking woman. She is a marathon runner. She runs Iron Man triathlons. So she's out running with him and writing a biography

But for my "eyes," it's:



hubba-hubba!