My prediction for tomorrow - judge, in addition to protective order, issues gag order sua sponte

[Jersey Devil]

Trump and his lawyer, by online posts, speeches and TV appearances, have made it clear that they intend to poison the jury pool, rile up supporters, attack witnesses, the prosecutor, the courts, attempt to build public support for a change of venue, all things that appear to be building up to what would amount to a runaway trains. So I think the judge will, on her own motion (sua sponte), issue a gag order, citing the antics since Friday as the reasons for it. That also takes the heat off Jack Smith as a "persecutor". Trump may think a gag order by the judge would be evidence of a bias against him laying the groundwork for her recusal or removal as trial judge, but gag orders are common and not evidence of anything except an attempt by the trial judge to assure a fair trial, so that won't work.

[bucolic_frolic]

1. That's a good bet. She has little choice. But each day will bring more violations of the order.

Then what?

[Arthur_Frain]

2. Then nothing.

It would be nice if our side had the political will to move forward, but with a few exceptions, we really don’t.

[Brainfodder]

7. I'm taking some solace that these public activities of his, strongly turning off SOME Republicans?

This stuff is beyond the pale?

His blabber won't work, he is not doing anything that hasn't been tried before, he just happens to have been POTUS.

The jackass is abusing his fame.

Plus he still has more than 24 hours to muck it up further!

[3Hotdogs]

22. And it rakes in $$$, even if it doesn't help his case.

[Brainfodder]

26. Turning his last stand into griftopia, how much abuse can his base tolerate?

Victim card
No responsibility
If they can do this to me
and send $ please!

[3Hotdogs]

29. No.The question is, how much abuse the judges will tolerate. so far, they ain't doing shit.

[Brainfodder]

31. Waiting for 5pm tomorrow to get a better vibe?

[3Hotdogs]

32. No. Tomorrow is presentations by lawyers for both sides.

There will be no sanctions for Anal Fistula in tomorrow's proceedings. He will not be in D.C. tomorrow

She might issue gag orders with threat of sanctions but that is probably not on tomorrow's agenda.

[Brainfodder]

41. I am aware, prefer gag order included with roll of strongest duck tape, revoke passport and ankle M?

Circus of distractions, follow the money, same as always.

I only want to know WTAF is in that burial mound of ex-wife #1, who, if I recall, had a great life, post Cheeto Bandito, and the kids are like sure dad put her on the property for a tax write off with a plain name plaque and the media didn't keep on that one at all??

[calimary]

52. Works for me!

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

60. There's nothing at the burial mound

Except an over-botoxed stiff.

It's always embarrassing when our side promotes crazy conspiracy theories.

[ShazzieB]

99. I know, right?

I never bought that stuff about the coffin being abnormally heavy, either. Those things ARE heavy.

To anyone who doesn't believe me: Just ask someone who's been a pallbearer. (I haven't, but my husband has, more than once.)

[Ms. Toad]

62. Not exactly.

Tomorrow is the deadline for a response by trump. If he responds, the judge may (or may not) have a hearing later.

Tomorrow is purely paper.

[MyOwnPeace]

82. Not necessarily!

Who knows what "Divorced 2, Impeached 2, Indicted 3" may do between now and then!

If he does (ANYBODY here want to bet that there's NO CHANCE that he won't blow another gasket?) - the Judge can slam his fat A$$ from DC to MERDE-A-LARDO and back 20 times, including:

*Gag order
*Ankle bracelet (boy, that'll cost him a few strokes!)
*In-house arrest
*GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL - DO NOT PASS GO - BUT GRIFT FOR $20 MILLION!

Let's hope..........

[Ms. Toad]

83. I was respondiing to the comment about what tomorrow was for - presentations by the lawyers.

Tomorrow is purely paper. Trump has a document due. Smith has nothing due. There is no hearing set for tomorrow; no presentations by lawyers.

Can the judge act on new threats? Sure, but she is unlikely to without holding a hearing (in the future), warning him about the consequences of his continued behavior, slapping him a bit for continuing to act like a fool - and warning again about the consequences, and then imposing sanctions for continued bad behavior.

None of that will happen tomorrow - aside from the possibilty that she will order a hearing (a few days from now) to issue a stern ultimatum.

[onenote]

91. +1

Good summary

[Eyeball_Kid]

44. And that's the point. It's all about enrichment. Trump's enrichment.

He'll squeeze every penny out of his worshippers no matter the crime, the lies, the grifting in general. If going to the slammer will create an avalanche of donations, he'll sit in the slammer. That's what he's doing. And no one seems to get it. Trump doesn't care about the law. He cares about the dollar, and only the dollar.

Trump is already being sued for defrauding the public for 250 million for his J6 gambit. If that lawsuit is successful, then ALL of his donations, based upon lies, are also on the table.

[wnylib]

54. Since money is all that Trump cares about,

and since he has violated the terms of his release on his own recognizance, I would like to see the judge require that Trump post a large cash sum as bail assurance that he will not violate the terms of release again. If not a cash sum, then a property of equal monetary value. When he violates the bail terms, he forfeits the money or property.

Bail is used as assurance that the defendant will show up in court, especially if he is a flight risk. But since Trump is committing more crimes while on release without bail (threatening witnesses and juries is a crime), then it seems to me that material bail in a large amount is warranted, considering the amount of damage that he is doing.

He would probably use the cost of the bail for more grifting, but would also feel the hurt if he has to forfeit the bail money. That's why I would prefer to see him required to put one of his properties up for bail, like Mar a Lago, Bedminster, or Trump Hotel. Something of personal value to him as well as of material value.

It has to be something that Trump values enough to feel the hurt if he loses it.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

63. Actually

He cares most about his worthless grotesque carcase. Everything is about his ego.

He cares about the money because it buys him nice things, sure, but having ever more of it also makes him feel superior to everyone else.

Even the money is about his fragile ego.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

80. Trump thinks money buys him CLASS. CRASS perhaps...

as shown in his behavior.

[kiri]

70. Trump spends millions more than he's raised in 2023

According to Politico, Trump has spent millions more than he’s raised in 2023; Politico says that even the small-money rubes Trump fleeces online and during his carnival stops town to town, are giving less money and each subsequent indictment brings in less small donor enthusiasm. Financially, and therefore in terms of election chances, real damage is being done, and the fact that Trump is publicly complaining about something strategists and consultants would definitely prefer he keep internally, and that any rational candidate would shows its hurting them bad.

That alone is already a massive benefit of the criminal investigations and prosecutions of Trump, family and associates. Any time these assholes have to spend time and money defending themselves, its less time and money they have to inflict damage on our Republic.

[czarjak]

104. Bloodsucker getting bloodsucked? PLEASE proceed.

[vlyons]

25. No doubt he will

He went after Pelosi this morning. He simply cannot let any perceived slight go unnoticed. Just has to say something mean and nasty to erase whatever he thinks insults his royal majestic being. All that aggression is just so much "grasping at self." Desperately trying to make real and solid the mythology that he tells himself about his imagined delusions about himself.

But guess what? There is no intrinsic self. A basic teaching of Mahayana Buddhism.

Trump is not a happy man. Spent his whole life in selfish persuits. Never stopped for a second to be of benefit to others. And now his selfish karma is coming to roost.

[MyOwnPeace]

84. INDEED!

*NOT a happy 'man.'
*Will NOT let ANY slight go unnoticed.
*Mean and nasty to any 'opponent.
*NEVER a SECOND of thought for others.

FRY, DONALD, FRY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vlyons]

89. I don't need to wish him ill. He's doing and saying plenty already that will result in

more suffering for himself. Trump is an object lesson for all of us that actions have consequences. What's really sad is that when he sits in prison, he will never have an epiphany that he put himself there.

I don't even get angry at his crap. I just shake my head at his stupidity.

[MyOwnPeace]

90. My wife was in a wheelchair........

and an AMTRAK agent at one stop denied me access to a small bathroom to assist her because we were not members of the "Frequent Riders Club" that was in that part of the building. (I had been told by an AMTRAK manager to go there because there were no other rooms available where I could help her other than the HUGE WOMENS room at this LARGE station.
I went back to the AMTRAK manager and she took us back to that 'Club' and led us through and assisted us in getting her into a stall.
SHE WAS WONDERFUL!
When we were done and leaving, I stopped at the Club entry and told the 'denying' agent:

"I will never wish 'ill' on anybody, but I sincerely hope nobody in your family ever suffers a disability and has to put up with YOU!"

He never looked up as we 'rolled' away.

I DID contact AMTRAK headquarters and gave them the record of our experience and included the name of the manager that assisted us. Because of 'legal' matters, AMTRAK told us that 'actions' were taken but could not tell us more - but they sent a $500 voucher to help 'ease the pain' of the experience.

I DO wonder if that other 'agent' ever realized how cruel and unfeeling he was..........

[vlyons]

95. As a Buddhist, I am taught to have compassion for all sentient beings equally and without

exception. Yes ever dreadful degenerate people like Trump. Most especially them, because they do not understand how much suffering they bring into the world for themselves and others. Trump is such an object lesson for all of us. A man whose mind is filled with the 3 great poisons of envy, hatred, and stupid delusions. An unhappy man with no true friends.

[Arthur_Frain]

46. His insane ability to crash through rock bottom on the way to unprecedented lows

seems to give him that Teflon sheen. Always has.

Sick and tired of the press gleefully and obediently bleating out and amplifying his baseless bullshit.

I’ve been here before, thinking that surely what this or that republican has done will have some repercussions. And then they get re-elected. Easily.

And this particular situation we find ourselves in here? Because every single opportunity to hold shithead accountable upstream was kicked down the road by the same group of people that are actually expected to hold him accountable this time, I find myself wondering if we aren’t approaching some worst case scenarios here, whether he is elected, pardoned, incarcerated, or strokes out.

There’s no way they’re not getting their martyr out of this.

[NBachers]

53. Since you're on our side, please let us know what our side can do to stop his inflammatory rhetoric.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

66. People like you or I can't do anything about it

That's the bad news.

The good news is that the people on our side who can do something about it seem to be far more competent than the people on his.

Jack Smith will file motions that he knows a judge will rule on in his favor, but he has to wait for this idiot to do the stupid things before he can file those motions.

This judge will be extra-careful to make sure she nails him for things like this in a way that doesn't get overturned on appeal. But I also have a feeling her patience and tolerance for his antics will wear thin sooner rather than later. Her leash has only so much slack in it. When she does it right, we'll get something we've longed for, all these years:

No more whining about this case. One less thing to hear from him = a most excellent thing.

I get it that we all want an end to this long national nightmare, but the people on our side who can do something about that have to work within laws, rules and processes that he never feels constrained by. If they don't follow those rules to the letter, we'll be stuck with the wanker until he finally croaks.

Is that what any of us wants?

[msfiddlestix]

105. "We'll be stuck with the wanker until he finally cracks"

I keep thinking he's already cracked, but like someone said above, paraphrasing, there seems to be no bottom to his insanity.

Even this morning I came across a post or a tweet that said something to the effect, he's unraveling. We've been saying that for years.

He never seems to unravel to the point of complete containment. I don't know what it's going to take, but it can't come soon enough.

[Torchlight]

93. It does not follow

[Jersey Devil]

5. Sanctions would be imposed incrementally for each violation

Start off with fines for violations, then take away his internet, then then confine him to home (except for campaigning), then ultimately, if he continues, jail. The judge has to nip this in the bud or it will quickly spin out of control. He's laid down the gauntlet and now it's up to her to pick it up.

[bucolic_frolic]

8. And his campaigning will involve attacks on the Judge, Jack Smith, DOJ, witnesses, jurors, etc

No way Trump complies with anything. Ever.

[azureblue]

78. if silenced

Trump will find a mouthpiece, like Bannon.

[PortTack]

28. He can campaign from Marge lardo....or not. He should be confined at home with a gag order

[Walleye]

42. After all Joe Biden did beat him while "never leaving his basement"

[PortTack]

51. He sure did!

[MyOwnPeace]

85. HA!!!!! GOOD ONE!!!!!!!

"Sleepy Joe" wins again!!!!

[3Hotdogs]

30. I guess it was about a year ago. A judge in N.J. was assassinated. These judges need to know that

they have a target on them. They can continue to ignore that or hire bodyguards.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. You really think the Judges don't know that?

These federal judges are well protected by the US Marshal's Service, who are very good at their jobs, and SC Jack Smith has bodyguards also.

[3Hotdogs]

35. Yes. But there are also witnesses that he threatened and don't believe the jury will remain

anonymous.


AND we hope the assigned Marshall are competent. Certified, does not mean qualified. AND we know that there is a small % of Magaloons among F.B.I. and local cops.

Oh, and do the names of Whitey Bulger and Jeffery Epstein ring any kind of a bell?

[MyOwnPeace]

86. I HEAR THE BELL!

I'm hoping that the Judge puts Donnie into the "Jeffery Epstein Security Cell" so that he will be able to stop his verbal garbage.
And we KNOW nothing will happen to him there - right?

[kiri]

74. Imagine a scared puppy.

my bet: a $5000 fine which will double on a next offense; then a warning that she can sentence him to 12 hrs or 24 hrs in jail requiring him to go through the usual strip searches and jailhouse procedures. Imagine a scared puppy.

[agingdem]

9. in the not so distant future, I think the judge will issue some kind

of blanket gag order (if that's a thing) to avoid Jack Smith wasting court time swatting down every Trump threat..I'm hoping the judge sets her calendar in stone anticipating Trump's bogus motions to delay...

[BigmanPigman]

101. Fine him huge amounts of $$$ every time he does this shit.

Keep fining him until he is broke.

[underpants]

3. No one tells him what to do

in fact the people around him do whatever he says regardless of how ridiculous it is. This will be interesting to watch

[Walleye]

4. The consequences should be spelled out and strictly enforced

Can you imagine being a lawyer who has to sit down and tell Trump, if you don’t stop running your mouth they are gonna put you in jail for sure. I bet none of them have the guts to do it

[bluestarone]

11. EXACTLY!

Don't give this Bastard an inch!

[Jersey Devil]

13. The lawyer is actually adding to the reasons for a gag order

He (Lauro) is all over TV today spouting ridiculous baloney to poison the potential jury pool, adding further reasons for the judge to impose a gag, so maybe he isn't the best person to ask for advice on the subject.

[Rebl2]

14. Maybe she

needs to put a gag order on that lawyer too. Don’t know if that’s a possibility though.

[Jersey Devil]

15. That wouldn't be unusual

In fact, I believe that most of the time gag orders are entered the also include the lawyers

[Rebl2]

18. Did not know that

[Eyeball_Kid]

55. It makes sense since lawyers REPRESENT their clients.

They must abide by the same Court Orders given to their clients, if applicable.

[Walleye]

38. I bet Jack Smith is recording everything to use against him in court

[MarineCombatEngineer]

39. SC Smith has to be rubbing his hands in glee,

Benedict is doing his job for him.

[wnylib]

57. Intimidating witnesses and juries is a crime.

So Trump is now committing additional crimes which should be charged against him.

[Walleye]

58. Absolutely, interceding indictment

[MiHale]

36. Oh dogs, I'll do it...if I could ever stop grinning...

it would be a blast. There’s nothing he could do, short of throwing ketchup on me, that would bother me in the least.

For hire.

[Walleye]

43. Oh if he threw ketchup on me I would display it like a badge

[MiHale]

65. In the regard so would I..but...

I can’t stand ketchup. It’s the worst condiment in my opinion.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

69. Not far behind you there

I've never understood the Yank obsession with ketchup.

I like it only on a few fried veggies. It's my husband who likes it on burgers and hot dogs, too. The only other thing we use it for, really, is meat loaf, or maybe as a base for a homemade BBQ sauce.

We use ketchup so little that we've had bottles expire with a quarter or more still inside. After the last incident of that, I started keeping an eye on the date, so that I can slot something like meat loaf or maybe some sweet potato fries into our menu, to avoid having any of it go to waste.

[MiHale]

72. 👍

[murielm99]

79. Ketchup on hot dogs?

That is a terrible travesty. It is almost as bad as pineapple on pizza.

[Chi67]

81. Agreed.

Ketchup on a hot dog is blasphemy.

[ShazzieB]

97. Me, too!

I cannot STAND the stuff. Of course, I'm weird in that I don't like most condiments, but ketchup particularly grosses me out!

[brush]

6. If change of venue happens, so should it in the Florida docs case.

Neither will as the indictments were filed where the incidents in question occurred.

[Jersey Devil]

10. yes, agree

He is not going to get a change of venue because he would prefer a white only jury pool. It's nonsense.

[OneGrassRoot]

12. I wish a sanction...

could be halting solicitation based on the Big Lie or anything involving his current legal challenges. If the flow of money can be shut off, he will lose interest in everything. Of course, he will be even more panicked because he REALLY needs money to keep paying legal bills.

[wnylib]

59. Since he is committing crimes while on release,

make him put up a LARGE amount of cash for bail or a property of equal value. When he continues to threaten people, he forfeits the bail.

[BlueIdaho]

16. TFG has already demonstrated

He has zero respect for this court and it’s orders. It’s time for the judge to swing a big hammer to get this fuckwad’s attention.

[MyOwnPeace]

88. I'm willing to bet...........

it's coming soon!

[BlueIdaho]

100. Yes Please! nt.

[Joinfortmill]

17. Yup

[judesedit]

19. Hope so

🤞🙏

[usonian]

20. One should have been issued LAST NIGHT.

Before the rally and Sunday morning propaganda tour. Damage done.

[Prairie_Seagull]

21. The judge will have to take some action, what that will be, I am not certain.

A gag order seems the most likely. If so, tfg will immediately pull the gag out and blather away. Looking for the confrontation and potential jail order. Which could be the straw, for what? is anyone's guess.

IMO

[3Hotdogs]

23. The question is if she has the courage to jail him, even for a day, or just issue fines that he will

appeal, until the clock runs out.


Fines are useless in his case. He will continue to issue specific and veiled threats and some Magaloon will act, or try to act on them.


After all, if God told ya to kill your son, wouldn't you want to do it?

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

73. What she would charge him with would be contempt of court

And good luck getting any court to overturn that ruling.

They can differ wildly on interpretation of everything else, but the one thing all judges share is zero tolerance for contempt of court. A judge would have to do something heinous to get a contempt ruling overturned.

Contempt is one charge he won't be able to wriggle out of without a bloody good reason. Chutkin won't give him one.

Count on it.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

87. "The question is

if she has the courage to jail him, even for a day, or just issue fines that he will appeal, until the clock runs out."

How insulting. This judge is no coward, and has given no one any reason to think or assume she is.

When does "the clock run out"? And what happens then? Sounds ominous.

[onenote]

92. It seems that some posters are ready to throw the judge under the bus

[flying_wahini]

24. Trump is betting the judge doesn't have the guts to jail him. He is wrong as usual.

[AllaN01Bear]

27. want him in jail for violating his bail. u or i did this . wed be locked up.

[chowmama]

33. She had better have a solid plan for what she's going to do when he ignores it.

When, not if. Probably Monday night.

At some point, he's going to have to get the same penalty any of us would get for contempt of court. He'll have to be locked up, at least temporarily. She's got to be planning exactly how that would be executed. Anything less would be proof that he doesn't need to listen to her at all.

So, get him to court to discuss the latest offense and then not let him leave. Deal with the aftermath. Possibly release him on his promise to stop violating it. He violates it again, Rinse, repeat. Right up until the actual trial.

Where he'll be found guilty, because he is.

[wnylib]

61. Require a large cash amount or property as bail in order to be released again.

Forget fines. They are useless, unless the fine is substantial and is charged for EACH time he violates the terms of release. Each Truth Social post that threatens people, insinuates something or someone, or undermines the authority of the court and its officers should be fined. Same with each statement to that effect at rallies or to the media.

He would rack up millions in fines each week. No way could he get that much in donations to compensate.

[misanthrope]

67. You have more faith in America's justice system than I do

I don't think the penalties issued for "little people" will be applied to him. I've seen too much of the deferential treatment afforded the wealthy, powerful, and well-connected to believe otherwise.

Yes, it is "the only system we have" and it is preferential to some elsewhere, but that doesn't mean it isn't without glaring faults.

[PortTack]

37. Cheap tricks by a cheap con man and his crappy loud mouth attorney. She has every right to tell

The attorney to STFU as well. Him spouting off is just as bad.

If he wants to f..k around and find out then so be it. They’re playing chicken with the wrong judge.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. For some reason she might follow a path like Amy Berman Jackson did with Roger Stone

E.g.,

Feb. 1, 2019 - considering a gag order and asking both sides to respond

Feb. 15, 2019 - limited gag order imposed (with certain discourse not prohibited)

Feb. 21, 2019 - additional gag order restrictions imposed

Jul. 16, 2019 - hammer falls and gag order extended to social media use

Of course Stone was eventually pardoned.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

75. That's exactly how I see it playing out

FAFO, but with plenty of chances to grow up, which everyone knows won't happen. When the idiot break the rules again, the court does the adult thing and treats him like the spoilt brat he is. The next incident gets more punishment. And the incident after that, an even worse punishment.

And when all else fails, well, it's a boot to the head for you, bub.

[DownriverDem]

45. Why can't

trump be stopped? It's like they are afraid of him and his cult followers.

[BumRushDaShow]

47. It's not "fear".

It's making sure that every step that is taken is "if/then"d in order to keep things moving (i.e., assuming there would be an appeal to a higher court, making sure the decision doesn't get overturned upon appeal like what you saw happen with the loon Loose Cannon, who apparently has a history of screw-ups).

[PortTack]

49. I don't think the judge or Smith has shown any fear. They have swiftly responded to the violations

by tfg and attorney and have already been told…no we are not going to delay. Tomorrow 5pm the hammer will come down. The post above about how roger stone was handled may lay it really well

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

76. He's being stopped

You just don't appreciate the steps that all of these prosecutors and judges (save for that poser down in FL) are taking to get to it.

Nobody said this would be easy or fast.

[Sneederbunk]

48. A couple of days in custody could get his attention.

[PortTack]

50. ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

Take his phone…all communications go thru his SS patrol.

[wnylib]

64. YES!!!

[allegorical oracle]

102. That will only make him more of a martyr and further cement his Messianic complex. He revels

in the notion that some of his goony base believes he was sent to be POTUS by the Heavenly dude.

[aax]

56. SHUT HIM UP!!!

SHUT HIM UP!!!
SHUT HIM UP!!!
SHUT HIM UP!!!
SHUT HIM UP!!!
SHUT HIM UP!!!
SHUT HIM UP!!!

[republianmushroom]

68. Hopefully you are correct and a gag order is issued.

Or will there be another warning, not to do that again.

We shall see Monday.

[ancianita]

71. A sua sponte at this point could be easily justified to ensure a fair & safe trial for all officers.

Could this kind of order be used as the basis for a mistrial motion? Just based on what Laura's said on tv, ya think he's going for that?

At a later date can defense use this kind of order as part of a conviction appeal?

(No need to answer my questions, I'm just thinking out loud.)

Very cool prediction, thanks!

[Hortensis]

77. According to Axios today, Judge Merchan of Manhattan District Court

might (conceivably) issue one. Judge Chutkan. Guessing not what's-her-corrupt-face down in Florida. But soon tRump will be indicted in GA, where he's of course threatening everyone whose name would be recognized, and that judge could issue one too.

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/06/how-trump-insults-gag-order

Six hours after a New York judge warned former President Trump he could be penalized for any remarks that endangered others, Trump stepped to a microphone in Florida — and practically dared the judge to do just that.

"I have a Trump-hating judge," Trump said in a barrage of insults aimed at Judge Juan Merchan, the judge's family, Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg and more.

Wish they could issue a gag-and-truss order. Might suit "leading Republican presidential candidate" tRump's purposes even better than just a gag, but for sure it would suit mine.

[bmichaelh]

94. Speedy Trial, Please

They need to have a trial as soon as possible.

Since he can not follow lawful orders within 48 to 72 hours, what will happen if the trial is months from now.

[Deminpenn]

96. Trump is like a kid who insists on pushing every rule

parents set out until punishment ensues.

That's how I expect Chutkan will treat him tomorrow. She'll tell him any more antics and he will be held in pre-trial detention.

However, the protective order at issue is reportedly standard stuff. It's the same or very similar to the one Trump agreed to in FL.

[mwb970]

103. trump can't shut up and delights in breaking the law.

He seems like a mentally disturbed toddler to me.