If trump can get to 270 he wins period.

[William769]

End of story. Yes this country will go to hell in a hand basket for 4 years and we live with it.

We fought a civil war to end slavery, it tore our country apart but we survived. We fought not one but two world wars that tore our country apart. Guess what we survived. We fought and won medicare, medicaid, the civil rights act, the voting rights act. Guess what? We survived the 60's. Hell we even survived the Vietnam war. We survived Reaganomics!

Yes toto if it were to happen we will survive the atrocities of another trump presidency.

We are the great experiment, we are resilient.

Just my rant because of some of the shit I've seen posted lately. I'm having flashbacks to RT.

[Marcus IM]

1. For four years???

If he and his gang of criminals get in power again, then this country has lost its democratic experiment.

[Johonny]

19. Yup, America is over if he wins

He's running on being dictator for life. And his followers no longer want Democracy. Most want a theocracy at best.

[brer cat]

2. Thank you for sharing your optimism.

It is a rarity these days. I hope you are doing well, Bill. It's good to have you back.

[William769]

3. Because of my health and some other factors

Sometimes I have to stay away from my DU family & that really sucks.

I have been here almost 20 years so I plan to stay around as much as possible. You have always been one of my favorites amd I am pleased to call you my friend.

[brer cat]

4. Thank you.

[malaise]

5. He won't even be a candidate come next year

😀

[Stuart G]

20. That is totally correct...The Pukes won't risk loosing big ...With " Big Donald Trump"...

[Polybius]

40. It's not up to them though

It's up to the voters, and so far they are sticking with Trump.

[brooklynite]

48. What data tells you that?

[edisdead]

57. The data that says he will win their primary?

By a very wide margin.

[Polybius]

39. Yikes

I want him to be their candidate, he's got tons of baggage.

[DFW]

6. About the only two things I believe that Trump and I have in common.

1. If either of us gets 270 electoral votes, we win the presidency. It may have slipped under the radar, but that even applies to Joe Biden, who is the last person to actually accomplish it.

2. I doubt that either of us will be the nominee for president of our respective parties next year. He gets more media hype, so I’ll get written off quicker, but, then, I was never running in the first place. Give up four weeks in Truro, MA, just to go on the Sunday talk shows during campaign season? I may be crazy, but I’m not THAT crazy.

[betsuni]

7. Two Washington Post writers traveled around the U.S. in 2016:

"For every disgruntled person out there who felt undone by the system and threatened by the way the country was changing, caught in the bind of stagnant wages or longing for an America of the past, we found someone who had endured decades of discrimination and hardship and yet still felt optimistic about the future and had no desire to go back. In this season of discontent, there were still as many expressions of hope as of fear. On a larger level, there were as many communities enjoying a sense of revival as there were fighting against deterioration and despair."

I like to think of that quote. People who've always had hard lives, past and present, and do something. Live.

[William769]

8. ...

[Demsrule86]

9. Trump will not win a General.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

46. Ditto, a few years apart. I said the same in 2016.

What a gut-punch that was.

[BlueTsunami2018]

10. I think the experiment effectively ends if he manages to get back into power.

It wouldn’t be “four years” of Hell, it would be the end of the country, for good and for all. We’re dangling on that brink if any Republican wins. They’re at the two yard line and ready to score and spike the ball.

[maxrandb]

11. And if a minority of voters, in a slim majority of the "right" States

vote to give a loaded gun to a toddler, we just throw up our hands and say; "well, the people have spoken".

And NO! That doesn't make us "just like them", unless you truly believe that there is "no difference" between what the left envisions for our country and what the right envisions for our country.

I guess Donnie Dipshit was right! There really are "very fine people...on BOTH SIDES".

No reason to consider what the sides are fighting for.

If Superman punches Lex Luther, he's "just the same as Lex".

[BlackSkimmer]

29. And what do you plan to do if he were to get in?

Are you raising an army right now in preparation?

Organizing a resistance?

What will be your response? Genuinely curious.

[William769]

36. Acting like a militant makes you no better than them. That's who they are, That is not us.

For the last fucking time if you don't have the rule of law, you won't have a democracy.

You are advocating ditching the rule of law. I suggest you find another place to hang out because you will be in an exceedingly small minority here.

But then again all I'm seeing is bluster from you, just like so many others we know.

[edisdead]

58. If the population decides to go to civil war

If the population decides to go to civil war and it becomes inevitable then yes, of course I will get militant and fight. I would hope everyone would. That is entirely why we have existed the way we have for as long as we have. Because some people stood up and fought for what is right.

What is the alternative? To let them dismantle our democracy, institutions and and method of self governance arguing that “Hey they won fair and square so the people they want to hurt just have to deal with it until we can figure out how to win an election that won’t be happening?”

Look I am not and never will advocate for civil war or any war for that matter but when it comes to it and it is inevitable then yes of course we fight tooth and nail.

[William769]

61. If they were to do away with the rule of law

It would be up to someone to restore it correct? I'm not saying we don't have options. What I am saying is we are not the ones to just throw away the rule of law.

This whole shitstorm started because it was suggested that we do away with the rule of law to stop trump from becomming President again. I can't and won't live with that action and anyone that does believe that can kiss my rainbow colored ass.

[maxrandb]

65. The majority of Retrumplicans

Have already decided to do away with the rule of law.

[William769]

66. That's on them.

The grownups will fix it.

[DemocratInPa]

12. If he gets back in..

He will not leave, and will be able to name his successor which will be Jr or Ivanka.

[Stuart G]

13. Trump will not get 70...not a chance in hell...

Sitting in jail, will not win him ....maybe 70....???.......

[DemocratInPa]

25. You don't think he will get 70 EV?

So you see places like WV, Miss, LA, Bama, Texas, Idaho, SC, Kentucky, Tennessee going blue?

It will be like 2020 IMO.

[Celerity]

49. I think they meant 270

[Polybius]

54. You think Biden will get 468 EV's?

That would be historic.

[Kaleva]

14. We'll survive another 4 years of tfg if need be

[JuJuChen]

15. everyone seems to forget he lost last time

[malaise]

24. THiS

😀

[sarisataka]

16. From what I have been reading here

If that happens we should just ignore that result and install Biden, or whomever we want, as President.

It would be totally different when we do it.

[Stuart G]

18. It will NOT happen.

[sarisataka]

21. 2016 nt

[Stuart G]

22. This is not 2016...the next election is 2024..

[sarisataka]

23. I was one of those castigated in 2016

For believing he had a chance to win- even a good chance.

I don't make the mistake of underestimating an opponent. I didn't then and won't now. I believe his chances of winning are lower this time around but if enough people get overconfident again then it CAN happen.

[BlackSkimmer]

30. Yes, I was one of those castigated too.

I remember having a very bad feeling that day, even before we started to see what was happening.

[sarisataka]

35. I clearly recall coming home from work back in 2015

And my wife telling me "That idiot Trump is running for President"

My response was that idiot will be our next President. She asked how, I said it's simple. He will run as the "outsider" coming in to clean up Washington for the average person. The other Republican candidates will assume he has no chance and will tear each other up for him. Once nominated Democrats will assume it was a fluke and underestimate his chances. Unless taken seriously, he will win.

Flash forward to November 2016, she was shaking her head saying you called it.

More than once then I was told a ham sandwich could beat him in an election. I have seen the same statement in 2023.

[Ms. Toad]

33. Same here. n/ t

[Dirty Socialist]

17. Trump is already at 270

270 pounds

[LetMyPeopleVote]

26. If TFG is re-elected in 2024, our democratic form of government will be in danger

The stakes for this election are very high and we can lose our democratic form of government if TFG survives this and the other indictments and somehow wins in2024.

Link to tweet

[TexasDem69]

27. As things stand today he has at least as good of a shot

As Biden does at winning the election. If he’s eventually convicted it might change, but even then many millions of Americans will continue to support him.

[The Grand Illuminist]

28. Then the blame will not be on Trump.

The blame will lie squarely at the people who voted him in office. If that is the case, every single voter who put Trump in office needs to be exposed and dealt with accordingly.

[BlackSkimmer]

31. What does "dealt with accordingly" mean to you?

Voters should be exposed?

So you mean votes should not be private anymore? How will this be done?

[The Grand Illuminist]

37. I just feel that the only way now

is to play their game. They forced the hand. We simply have no other options nor choice because everything was tried yet failed. With 3 legitimate stolen elections, we cannot afford another.

[sarisataka]

38. So should voting

No longer be private? Everyone must sign their ballot and it will be public information?

[The Grand Illuminist]

42. Assuming the worse comes to wear

With a Trump win and he obtains everything he wanted which would permanently damage our democracy. Would you want to know who voted for him? Voters are the ones who do the hiring, IMO. It sounds dictoral, I get it and you are right that it's not good. But growing number has their back to the wall and will continue to grow until there is a permanent end to the fascist GOP ruling government.

[BlackSkimmer]

43. So, again. How would you have them "dealt with accordingly"?

How would you know who voted for whom?

As I've posted here before, I have several black neighbors around my little neighborhood...imagine my surprise when shortly after moving in, I found that one fella is a tfg fan. I had to revise my obvious presumption which was based solely on his skin color (and how wrong is THAT?).

My white male neighbor I pegged as a trumper, though we studiously avoided political talk. Eventually I learned he was a solid Dem, despite his good ole boy mannerisms.

Another woman down the block, whom I've met as we corral the neighborhood ferals for "fixing", I was certain was a Dem. An older "hippie" is how I always thought of her. Then I saw her tfg sticker. Sigh. We never discuss politics either, but that one was a blow.

Back in 2015, I was friendly with a younger woman at work, gay, as am I, and when she told me she liked tfg I must have looked dumbfounded. That was a blow too. I lost track of her after I retired, and I can only hope she saw the light.

So other than revealing everyone's votes (surely you don't advocate that?), how would you know who is a tfg voter?

[BlackSkimmer]

32. Don't let the silliness drive you away.

You know election time is always silly season around here lol.

Though it does seem to be ramping up into a bit of weirdness so far...

[MineralMan]

34. It's good to see your screen name!

[BlackSkimmer]

44. And yours, dear sir.

I notice your absence.

[MineralMan]

45. I'm around. Just not posting a lot.

I have DU in a browser tab 24/7.

[BlackSkimmer]

50. Good to know. I miss some of our longtime members, even if I often tangled with them lol.

I can't remember enough screen names to know who hates me and who doesn't!

Often I take long breaks, sometimes intentional, sometimes just life, and sometimes every single thread on this forum seems to be tfg lol, so I have to take long periods away.

Glad you're still checking in.

[Retrograde]

41. The electoral vote distribution has changed since 2016

Texas and Montana have an additional vote, and Florida 2: those are both likely to go for Trump. California and New York each lost 1: those are likely to go for Biden. I haven't looked at the new distribution carefully enough to come to any conclusion, though.

[marble falls]

51. Your knocking of RBG is despicable. Are you really in the right forum?

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. And Hillary...

[marble falls]

53. Exactly, only it was back door, though that reference to Michael Moore. This post shouldn't be here.

[Oneironaut]

55. Are you a white male?

You might survive. Half the country doesn’t want to kill you. For others here, like me, it’s a matter of life and death, or, needing to pack up and flee the country.

[edisdead]

59. Exactly this!

And I am a white male but I am not that selfish.

[William769]

63. I am a mix of Caucasian & Cherokee

I am also Gay.

Being a white male doesn't automatically give you privilege especially when there are other factors involved and shame on you for saying so.

I guess next you're going to tell me Gay bashings don't happen to white males because of thier privilage. People like you give human beings a bad name.

[Oneironaut]

64. Ok, so, you really think these Neanderthals are going to spare you?

I guess I’ll see you in the camp. I’ll save a seat for you.

[edisdead]

56. NOT a gamble I am willing/wanting to take

And ya know some actually may not survive. Like a million or so Americans that didn’t because of his last go round.
Not to mention how many people whos lives were chewed up and ruined.

No. I am not buying into this “We’ll be ok” I heard that shit from Republicans in the form of “We survived Obama for 8 years, you will survive Trump”.

[MistakenLamb]

60. If Trump wins it won't be "just 4 years"

It will be the end of a free democracy as we know it, it will forever to known that if a candidate doesn't like the results of an election that they can thwart the constitution or raze their supporters for a violent coup. Civil War again in America will mean its end and MILLIONS dead in its aftermath