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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 02:06 PM Aug 2023

What is the probability the attackers on the Montgomery boat dock Are MAGA?


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What is the probability the attackers on the Montgomery boat dock Are MAGA? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2023 OP
I have no idea if they are or not, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #1
So your probability is around 50/50. emulatorloo Aug 2023 #5
I guess you could look at it that way, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #7
Yeah I am 59/41, but just a guess of course. emulatorloo Aug 2023 #10
The probability that any random white person you see is MAGA is fairly high. nt LexVegas Aug 2023 #2
True, unfortunately brush Aug 2023 #4
So as a random white person, who, BTW, is a truck driver, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #6
Only if you were assaulting a Black man who was simply doing his job. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2023 #8
Absolutely, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #9
I would call the statement reasonable and accurate Orrex Aug 2023 #13
No, it's not reasonable nor accurate, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #14
You're picking a silly hill to die on IMO, but you do you. Orrex Aug 2023 #16
Let's look at what the exit polls say... yardwork Aug 2023 #20
Got it, so any random white person walking down the street, in a car, etc, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #21
Not considered or assumed to be, no. yardwork Aug 2023 #22
That's absolutely a fair point. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #23
you are not a 'random white person'. Voltaire2 Aug 2023 #34
I'm talking about any random white person walking down the street, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #36
I'm a random White person. Would that include me, if you saw me? Ocelot II Aug 2023 #15
I guess the understanding of 'random' is not clear. Voltaire2 Aug 2023 #35
Exactly, since a majority of white people voted for Trump, twice. yardwork Aug 2023 #18
I don't think many people understand statistics. nt LexVegas Aug 2023 #19
Magic 8 ball says, "Signs point to yes." emulatorloo Aug 2023 #3
What is the probability that they were drunk? Midnight Writer Aug 2023 #11
As the old saying goes, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #12
Highly likely.. Srkdqltr Aug 2023 #17
Along with being assholes. nt Raine Aug 2023 #32
80% I'd say. Elessar Zappa Aug 2023 #24
Post removed Post removed Aug 2023 #25
You're free to start a poll who are the real MAGA racists. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2023 #29
Kenny Rogers - The Gambler stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #26
What I find amusing here... stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #27
My bookie won't return my calls to place this bet Kennah Aug 2023 #28
no i bet they all read the guardian prodigitalson Aug 2023 #30
100% drunken, a$$hat boater... As for the rest??? JCMach1 Aug 2023 #31
I would say all signs point to yes. Initech Aug 2023 #33

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,611 posts)
6. So as a random white person, who, BTW, is a truck driver,
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 02:10 PM
Aug 2023

you would classify me as a MAGAt? Or any white person you see randomly is a MAGAt?
Even though you know nothing about that person?

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,611 posts)
9. Absolutely,
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 02:14 PM
Aug 2023

but that's not what the poster said:

The probability that any random white person you see is MAGA is fairly high.

Orrex

(63,336 posts)
13. I would call the statement reasonable and accurate
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 02:38 PM
Aug 2023

Certainly the likelihood varies based on numerous factors, such as age, education, profession, region, etc., but it doesn’t strike me as an unfair generalization.

It’s not a personal statement about you, nor about me—a middle aged white dude in a Trumper-dominated profession.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,611 posts)
14. No, it's not reasonable nor accurate,
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 02:41 PM
Aug 2023

there are millions upon millions of white people, like myself and you, in this country that are not MAGAt's and proclaiming that any random white person seen have a high probability of being a MAGAt is ridiculous.

Orrex

(63,336 posts)
16. You're picking a silly hill to die on IMO, but you do you.
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 02:58 PM
Aug 2023

People routinely assume that I’m Xtian and conservative because of my age, ethnicity & geographic region. I could get my junk in a twist about it, or I can chuckle and see it as an opportunity to defy their assumptions to their surprise and my amusement.

If you want to let it make you sour, then have at it.

yardwork

(61,881 posts)
20. Let's look at what the exit polls say...
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 05:14 PM
Aug 2023

According to Pew Research Center, in the 2016 election, 54% of white voters voted for Trump, and 62% of white male voters voted for Trump.

In the 2020 election, similar majorities of white voters supported Trump again. To me, a person voting for Trump in 2020 - after his disgraceful behavior in his first term - is the definition of a MAGAT.

I'm an older white woman who lives in the South. Although I live in a deep blue bubble, I generally assume that random white people I meet are quite likely to support Trump.




MarineCombatEngineer

(12,611 posts)
21. Got it, so any random white person walking down the street, in a car, etc,
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 06:56 PM
Aug 2023

should be considered a MAGAt because of their skin color?

That's utterly ridiculous, I don't judge people because of their skin color, I judge them by their actions.

yardwork

(61,881 posts)
22. Not considered or assumed to be, no.
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 07:14 PM
Aug 2023

I think we might disagree on the emphasis on certain words. "Likelihood" to me means if I had to guess, which would I guess? And "random" means I don't know anything at all about the person. That situation happens only very rarely.

I think your approach is more real world. You're waiting to see what a person says or does before making an assessment.

I don't think we really disagree that much. It's just how we react to the way the post was phrased that might be a little different.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,611 posts)
23. That's absolutely a fair point.
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 07:26 PM
Aug 2023

Thanks for that.

I just find it rather putrid that someone would judge a random white person as likely a MAGAt without knowing anything about them.

If someone on DU had said that they think that random black people are likely drug dealers, or a bad person or whatever, or random Hispanics are likely in the country illegally, etc, that would be instantly hidden and the offender would be banned, rightly so.

As I said, I don't look at a person's skin color, I look at their actions before I make a judgement.

Peace out
Dan.


Voltaire2

(13,448 posts)
34. you are not a 'random white person'.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 11:30 AM
Aug 2023

The set of white people posting on DU is hardly a random sample of the set of white people.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,611 posts)
36. I'm talking about any random white person walking down the street,
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 11:41 AM
Aug 2023

not just myself.

Look, people are free to judge other people by their skin color, that's their right, but to me, it's wrong, I don't judge someone by the color of their skin, I judge them by their words and actions.

Ocelot II

(116,187 posts)
15. I'm a random White person. Would that include me, if you saw me?
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 02:48 PM
Aug 2023

A random White person beating up a Black person in Mississippi is more likely to fit that description, but I live in a city full of random white people who faithfully vote Democratic and whose House representative is a Black immigrant Muslim woman. My city council representative is a Black trans woman. Do you think the probability of a random White person in my state and city being MAGA is "fairly high"?

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

 
27. What I find amusing here...
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 08:22 PM
Aug 2023

…in this thread is that at least two posters of this self-selected sample of respondents have declared themselves as “random white persons”.

I hereby declare myself a random graph!

This random graph fact will blow your mind | Rado graph and its godlike properties

prodigitalson

(2,501 posts)
30. no i bet they all read the guardian
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 10:30 PM
Aug 2023

and never drank shitty beer like bud light to start with, something hoppy from a belgian monastary for these citizens of the world.

JCMach1

(27,595 posts)
31. 100% drunken, a$$hat boater... As for the rest???
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 10:41 PM
Aug 2023

A$$hat boater type is a whole separate category in the south

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