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AverageOldGuy

(3,833 posts)
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 09:52 PM Aug 2023

"We do it for George."

What’s the big deal with Trump’s attacks on Jack Smith, Judge Chutkan, and former members of Trump's administration who have testified against him before a grand jury and who will repeat that testimony in open court? Maybe this true story will explain why Trump’s attacks are dangerous – warning: This is a LONG story.

I was born (1944) and reared in rural south Mississippi where cotton and Jim Crow were king. Blacks “knew their place” and they knew the cost of getting out of their place. In 1954-55 our community was trying to decide how to deal with the Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education. One Sunday, from the pulpit, our pastor proclaimed, “the idea that Blacks are the equal of White people is the damndest lie Satan has ever devised.” While the congregation said “Amen,” I – even at 10 years old – was not comfortable with that proclamation. In 1962, at age 18, I packed up, headed for a small liberal arts college in Alabama, graduated in 1967, left Mississippi and Alabama and never looked back.

One of the jobs that paid for my college was as the nighttime DJ on a local radio station – I came on the air at 7, read news and weather, did commercials, and played records until midnight, signed the station off, and headed back to my dorm room.

The station’s studio was on the 3rd floor of a bank building. The bank employed a night watchman who roamed around the building, checking for locked doors and windows, lights turned off, and the like. A few times on most nights he would come into the studio, listen to the news and weather, talk with me while a record played. He was a large man, carried an Army .45 on his hip and a blackjack in his hip pocket. I suspected he was a Klansman and, after a couple of months, he told me he was a “Kluxer.”

In late March 1965, all the news was about the Selma to Montgomery march. My night watchman friend was fixated on the march, especially on the “outside agitators” and “Northen n####rs” who had invaded Alabama and were “stirring up the local n####rs.” On March 25, 1965, Viola Liuzzo -- a lady from Michigan who had come to Selma and Montgomery to help with logistics for the march – was driving a group from Montgomery back to Selma when she caught the attention of the local Klan because she was a white woman driving a carload of Blacks. Three local Klansmen followed her car, pulled up beside her, and killed her with two shots to the head.

The next night, after I read the hourly news -- which was all about the murder -- the watchman, who was listening intently, told me “We did that for George.”

Puzzled, I asked him: “You mean George Wallace, the governor?”

“Yeah, for George. You see, George is Governor, he wears a suit, makes speeches, and he can’t do what needs to be done to get rid of the outside agitators and the n####rs, so, we do it for him. We listen to George.”

Two weeks later I was reading a Birmingham newspaper with photos of a group of white men attacking a group of Black demonstrators. There, among the attacking group, was my night watchman friend, beating a young Black man with his blackjack.

Yesterday, while watching a video clip of Trump’s attacks on Jack Smith and Judge Chutkan, I suddenly recalled these events from 58 years ago and I felt a chill all over me. The Klan was doing for George Wallace what he, because of his position, could not do. George Wallace is gone. Trump has picked up Wallace's mantle and there are a lot of night watchmen out there with weapons far more deadly than a blackjack.

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"We do it for George." (Original Post) AverageOldGuy Aug 2023 OP
Geez 😢 blm Aug 2023 #1
Skulking cowards then and now. dchill Aug 2023 #2
Powerfully written. You clearly put some time into this. It is very well crafted. I was a writing Amaryllis Aug 2023 #3
Agreed! nt crickets Aug 2023 #4
Yes, that's an excellent way to Cha Aug 2023 #20
Yes! Bluesaph Aug 2023 #22
I kicked with a rec and a reply. And 8 will kick again just cuz AKwannabe Aug 2023 #28
Indeed. calimary Aug 2023 #29
Maybe a Letter to the Editor or an Op-Ed if there's a paper near the writer that's open to this POV. TheRickles Aug 2023 #33
Or submit to DAily Kos or .... anywhere you could submit it to get more exposure. Amaryllis Aug 2023 #34
I agree, Amaryllis! Powerful writing! nt Trueblue Texan Aug 2023 #46
They have called themselves many thing in the decades since. mercuryblues Aug 2023 #5
Nothing neo about these nazis gratuitous Aug 2023 #11
Spot on!! K&R onetexan Aug 2023 #45
Thank you for writing this ... n.t. doublethink Aug 2023 #6
I was a small child when George Wallace ran for president in 1968... DemocraticPatriot Aug 2023 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author dflprincess Aug 2023 #10
Thank you for this -- thank you Hekate Aug 2023 #8
Stochastic terrorism has been around for a long time central scrutinizer Aug 2023 #9
The fact that you got out of Dodge as soon as you could... brush Aug 2023 #12
Way past time to soldierant Aug 2023 #13
You thrownin' down some old time radio vibes? johnp3907 Aug 2023 #15
Possibly even before radio. soldierant Aug 2023 #16
I had a uni professor who grew up ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #25
He whips them up... Tesha Aug 2023 #14
A whole lot less I'm willing to bet. Ligyron Aug 2023 #19
I just read Fever In the Heartland about the KKK in the 1920s Hamlette Aug 2023 #17
... Cha Aug 2023 #18
And, look at all the current attempts Cha Aug 2023 #21
I think it's so important for stories like this to be told. mountain grammy Aug 2023 #23
Very good read. Thank you for writing and posting. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2023 #24
Glad you posted this. byronius Aug 2023 #26
Talk about chills..? AKwannabe Aug 2023 #27
Excellent essay! burrowowl Aug 2023 #30
Thanks for your story and memories canetoad Aug 2023 #31
Now the Klan legally carries weapons of war. mucifer Aug 2023 #32
+1 MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #47
Thanks for the powerful comparison, AverageOldGuy. Hortensis Aug 2023 #35
Reactionarianism, standing in the filth of.... jaxexpat Aug 2023 #36
I do it for George... LeftLife Aug 2023 #37
Powerful, well written, chilling Wild blueberry Aug 2023 #38
Were you ever able to tell the watchman how you felt? (this is long too. :) Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #39
You have made an important point KT2000 Aug 2023 #40
Thank you for a great post.I was born in 1945, raised in South Carolina, left in 1967 after collage spike jones Aug 2023 #41
I often use the word confederacy here on DU BaronChocula Aug 2023 #42
Great post. Recommended. Pinback Aug 2023 #43
I remember the tales my Mom told me LittleGirl Aug 2023 #44
Excellent post. llmart Aug 2023 #48
I wish I could JustAnotherGen Aug 2023 #49
Thanks for this post. TdeV Sep 2023 #50

dchill

(42,660 posts)
2. Skulking cowards then and now.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 10:01 PM
Aug 2023

Their feelings of superiority are imagined and imaginary. Their idols and heroes are psychopaths.

Amaryllis

(11,291 posts)
3. Powerfully written. You clearly put some time into this. It is very well crafted. I was a writing
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 10:22 PM
Aug 2023

teacher for many years and really appreciate that. It packs a punch, especially the last paragraph. It would be great if it could have wider circulation than going away from DU in a couple days.

TheRickles

(3,383 posts)
33. Maybe a Letter to the Editor or an Op-Ed if there's a paper near the writer that's open to this POV.
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 10:04 AM
Aug 2023

mercuryblues

(16,410 posts)
5. They have called themselves many thing in the decades since.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 10:35 PM
Aug 2023

Bircher
Patriot front
proud boys
teabaggers
trumpers
Magas
boogaloo

They are all the same, just different names.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
11. Nothing neo about these nazis
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 10:56 PM
Aug 2023

It's the same tiresome fear and prejudice hiding behind some master race bullshit shield.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
7. I was a small child when George Wallace ran for president in 1968...
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 10:38 PM
Aug 2023

It was the first presidential general election that I remember. I was five years old at the time, and our family was attending a black AME church. We were the only white family there...

I clearly remember my mother telling me that Wallace was a racist---
thus a totally ineligible choice for President in 1968.


I remember when he was shot during his campaign for the 1972 Democratic presidential nomination, effectively ending his campaign.

Using all the logic I possessed at the age of 10,
I was not sorry that it happened. I suppose I thought that he "had it coming"...


Of course Wallace later tried to recant and repent of everything, later in his life, and even convinced many black voters to vote for him in his late campaigns to become governor again....

... but I don't think he could repair all the damage that he had done earlier in his life.

The dominant image of his life will remain "standing in the school house door",
trying to prevent black students from getting an education in the state of Alabama...


Response to DemocraticPatriot (Reply #7)

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
8. Thank you for this -- thank you
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 10:44 PM
Aug 2023

I have never forgotten Viola Liuzzo, though I was far away across the country.

Your personal recollection of this history is incredibly valuable.

central scrutinizer

(12,654 posts)
9. Stochastic terrorism has been around for a long time
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 10:45 PM
Aug 2023

“Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?” Henry II, 1170

soldierant

(9,354 posts)
16. Possibly even before radio.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 11:08 PM
Aug 2023

My mom was 39 when I was born and I was raised by her and her mother after my dad died (which happened while I was still in the neonate ward, whatever they called it then.)

I don't thin I used the word "refrigerator" untl I was over 30. It was the "icebox." That's just one example.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
25. I had a uni professor who grew up
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 11:38 PM
Aug 2023

In and around that area between the Texas border and Shreveport. She asked if anyone knew what a buggy was. Most of the students' guesses were the buggy as in a wagon from horse and buggy, of course. A couple of them said it was a cutesie name for an insect.

We hadn't considered a third possibility: Apparently where the prof grew up, that was the term for 'shopping cart.' I guess I can see it in relation to 'horse and buggy,' so it made a certain sense. Who am I to judge, anyway? I grew up calling the same thing a trolley.

Another term that had us scratching our heads was Chester Drowrers. She wrote it out the way people there pronounced it, but the actual spelling is 'chest of drawers." Some of us were still confused, and learned that it's a term for the piece of furniture many of us know as a bureau.

Dialects and idioms are the fun part of linguistics.

Tesha

(21,141 posts)
14. He whips them up...
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 11:02 PM
Aug 2023

And they try to seize the government on Jan6.

He whips them up again, and what? What will they be willing to do this time?

Hamlette

(15,556 posts)
17. I just read Fever In the Heartland about the KKK in the 1920s
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 11:08 PM
Aug 2023

it is so much like Trump and the current situation it was scary.

Same crazy republicans, same racist hateful people, same terror and power grab.

Good book. Highly recommended.

mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
23. I think it's so important for stories like this to be told.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 11:19 PM
Aug 2023

and even better if it's told well, like you did.

I lived in NC 1957-1958.. I was 10. It was an experience. People who never saw it have to learn about it from those of us who did.

canetoad

(20,769 posts)
31. Thanks for your story and memories
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 12:53 AM
Aug 2023

And you're right about Trump. They want his approval, want to be like him, do the things he does and gets away with.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Thanks for the powerful comparison, AverageOldGuy.
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 10:39 AM
Aug 2023

Many new things under the sun, but not these people and these techniques.

Btw, by 10 I also had definite ideological orientation that I can't ascribe to "nurture/environment."

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
36. Reactionarianism, standing in the filth of....
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 10:49 AM
Aug 2023

the past, rejecting hope, clinging to hate.

Maru Kitteh

(31,759 posts)
39. Were you ever able to tell the watchman how you felt? (this is long too. :)
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 01:11 PM
Aug 2023

He clearly felt comfortable talking to you. I have a similar situation with a young(ish) manager who watches clearly watches FUX all day in his off hours and is obsessed with the idea that drag queens and gender fluidity is ruining the country. I've known him for years, and he never used to behave that way, leaving me wondering what had changed. I knew he had divorced about 3 years ago and picked himself up a new girlfriend about 6 months later. She works for us also but I didn't know her very well.

She's was an antivaxer when they started going out, so there's a good chance that where the FUX came into the picture. Now fast forward a couple years and she's shaved her head close, about 1/2 inch to 1 inch of green hair and she's started using (or having) a markedly lower voice. She let it be known that she did the hair on purpose. Nothing wrong with that at all, it's just that it was a pretty abrupt and major change from the long wavy light brown hair she'd had for years previous. She's not taking any sick time from work and hasn't spoken to anyone she works with about health battles so it's highly unlikely this change is due to any illness.

The first time he came into my office and started unloading about men dressing like women and being "forced" to call them by "their pronouns" I found it very bizarre, and I noted he only complained about genetic males. I was thrown off guard and that time I just tried repeatedly to change the topic but he kept finding a way to circle back, never took the hint. I was hoping it was a temporary thing and wondered if it was triggered by his girlfriend's recent metamorphosis.

Subsequent to that, I started challenging him. What about nicknames? My husband goes by his first name in full. We'll just call him Fredrick here (not his name) but men in particular have the habit of not even asking him what he goes by and just automatically address him as Fred, and he has to correct them. Usually he has to correct them multiple times. Doesn't he have a right to be addressed by his name? Many Johnathans go by the name of Jack. Don't people have a right to be addressed as they wish? Isn't it up to them?

He countered with what if all the CNA's decide they want to be addressed as Dr.? I pointed out that that's an honorific that has to be earned and granted. Dr.s go through a great deal of pain and the degree requires a taxing level of determination to achieve, much like the effort, courage and pain that goes into changing one's outward identity to the world. Dr's are also changed inwardly and outwardly in their identity by the the effort required to achieve becoming who they are.

In summary, I've challenged him on the idea that society should be the unquestioned arbiters of who we are, and how that directly contradicts the very notion of what freedom really is - the right to self-determination.

But back to the original question: Were you ever able to tell the Klansman how you felt? How did he react?



KT2000

(22,150 posts)
40. You have made an important point
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 01:28 PM
Aug 2023

and it was really well written. Thank you for posting this.

spike jones

(2,020 posts)
41. Thank you for a great post.I was born in 1945, raised in South Carolina, left in 1967 after collage
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 01:59 PM
Aug 2023

and never been back. Since then my entire family there has rejected me because I actively supported racial equality and raised my children to respect everyone, and now have Asian and African grandchildren and inlaws. Everyday of my children's life from their birth until they left home, there was a picture of Earth from space in their rooms with the words,"One Planet, One People."

BaronChocula

(4,553 posts)
42. I often use the word confederacy here on DU
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 02:07 PM
Aug 2023

to refer to what some call the Republican party. The confederacy has spread nationwide and I'm glad not to be the only one who gets it. Thanks for the post.

Pinback

(13,600 posts)
43. Great post. Recommended.
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 02:44 PM
Aug 2023

I, too, grew up in the Deep South, a little later than you. I had a classmate in 4th grade whose father was a highway patrolman. He told me one day in confidence that his dad was in the Klan and he was worried he would do something violent.

I didn’t know the kid that well, he never mentioned it again, and I didn’t ask him about it. But it haunted me (and I know it haunted him).

Right-wing thugs are still out there, passing for normal citizens on most days.

LittleGirl

(8,999 posts)
44. I remember the tales my Mom told me
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 02:48 PM
Aug 2023

About growing up in the south. Sharecroppers farm workers. Her lily white skin didn’t have a racist bone in her body. She declared that going camping was like having an outhouse and she wasn’t interested. She was about 10 before they lived somewhere with indoor plumbing. Rough life. She moved up north and worked.

Too tired to write more so will stop there. I feel like I lived your experience.

llmart

(17,615 posts)
48. Excellent post.
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 07:15 PM
Aug 2023

I'm originally from the North but relocated to North Carolina in the early 80's. That was the first time I ever witnessed a Klan march. I couldn't believe that they were still doing stuff like that in the 80's, but I had a rude awakening shortly after I moved there.

JustAnotherGen

(38,054 posts)
49. I wish I could
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 09:37 PM
Aug 2023

Rec this 100 times.

While that guy was beating black civil rights activist and popping off at the mouth to you -

A young black man from Talladega was training in the first class of Green Berets - as an army Captain. He gave that Kluxer the freedom to say and think what he wanted.

I hope that gives you a smile. That Kluxer got that Freedom from my dad.

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