now texas is arguing a fetus isnt a baby and doesnt have rights

[moonshinegnomie]

female prison guard 7 month pregnant
has labor pains on the job
prison doesnt let her leave for hours
baby is still born
hospital says if she got there earlier they could have saved the fetus

shes suing and the state is arguing “Just because several statutes define an individual to include an unborn child does not mean that the Fourteenth Amendment does the same,”

fuck this state. her supervisors should be charged with manslaughter at the least since teh state has spend years claiming a fetus is a person. they contributed to its death.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/08/11/texas-prison-lawsuit-fetal-rights/

[Aristus]

1. I'd ask them to make up their minds, but they very clearly have lost them.

[dchill]

11. Dishonesty seems to whisk the contents of the skull.

[Zambero]

2. Incredible hypocrisy

A seven-month pregnancy is certainly no fetus. In many situations, premature birth at that stage could be a viable one, provided that critical medical intervention was available in a timely manner. I hope this advances to more than a civil case. Texas now permits employers to deny workers water breaks during the hot summer months. And submerged razor wire and circular saw buoys to deter migrants. "Killing babies" was never the issue with pro-lifers and politicians who suck up to them. It's all about keeping women in their place. Republican Jesus is alive and well in the state of Texas, and elsewhere.

[LiberalArkie]

25. The baby had passed the fetal stage, thus of no interest to the state. Conservative states do not do

the baby thing well.

[evolves]

31. Once an embryo becomes a fetus,

(at 10 weeks gestation), it is termed a fetus until it is born.

[Zambero]

42. I stand corrected on that one!

I was under the mistaken impression that a fetus that had developed beyond a point where he/she is likely to have viability at birth would fall under a different category. Late-stage fetus perhaps?

[evolves]

43. Honestly,

there is so much terminology that it’s sometimes difficult for even those of us in the business to keep it all straight!

[DENVERPOPS]

48. Hypocrisy

is a key plank in the Republican Party

[malaise]

3. It exposes them further

Call an insurance company and ask them to insure the fetus - they will laugh at you

[SWBTATTReg]

4. Isn't it ironic that now TX is scrambling to change the meaning of when a fetus is a person and vice

versa? Which is it? What other rights now will the fetus have that we're not aware of, that will occur in the future? A mire, if there ever was one, one of TX's own doing.

Since they are so willing to go after doctors who perform abortions, follow women across state borders (when they can legally), and pay an award / bounty to catch people undergoing abortions, performing abortions, under the table so to speak, charge these thugs with murder since they truly are the ones that caused the death of the fetus.

A tragic situation that should not ever happened had medical care been promptly made available.

[FSogol]

5. Situational Ethics.

The GOP are scum.

[JI7]

6. The Purpose of these laws is to put restrictions on women

and to control women and girls.

It wasn't meant to save anyone other than the ego's of shitty men .

[DBoon]

30. exactly

their definition of human life shifts to cause maximum suffering to women.

[Maru Kitteh]

47. " their definition of human life shifts to cause maximum suffering to women."

Mother-flipping BINGO.

[sarge43]

35. Thank you

It's all about the domination and humiliation of women.

[keithbvadu2]

51. "control women and girls."

Pro-life to conservatives/republicans is a myth.

Republicans are in favor of killing living babies and have done so.

The supposed pro-lifers cared naught when the state of Texas (republican gov, republican Prez) deliberately killed living baby Sun Hudson against the mother's wishes because he was an inconvenience to the state.

It is not a matter of life to the supposed pro-lifers.

It is a matter of control.

[sinkingfeeling]

7. Texas is more into defending embryos than fetuses.

[Jerry2144]

8. She should use that law allowing vigilante suing

Of people who aided an abortion. Sue her bosses and anyone who prevented her from getting care for 10k each under that law

[plimsoll]

19. She might be able to make that work.

But I'm sure she'd be charged as well. After all she got the "abortion" in that case.

[ZonkerHarris]

26. this

[Marthe48]

9. Hope she called a lawyer on the way to the hospital

You know what I did when I was 7 months pregnant? I did what I wanted. Had my feet up, napped, dreamed dreams. I wasn't working in a prison, probably no a/c, in the worst state anywhere ever. My heart goes out to the family. My heart goes out to every couple who want children, who are barred financially, morally, physically, from fulfilling the promise of creating the family they wanted.

[Orrex]

10. It's only a person if they can use it to subjugate women

Otherwise it’s a clump of cells with no value.

[Scottie Mom]

12. Do the terms "viable outside the womb" and "detectible heartbeat" come to mind?

Guess that applies only to some pregnant people, right?

Fuck Texas politics.

[TygrBright]

13. As always with Republicans, the cruelty is the point. n/t

[Marcuse]

14. If they had their way abortion would be forbidden to the ubermensch and mandatory for everyone else.

[calimary]

15. The fetus is AND isn't a baby, depending on what issue they're using it for.

[gratuitous]

17. Schrodinger's fetus

[Ilsa]

46. You and calimary are brilliant!

Perfect explanation.

[not fooled]

16. They sure as hell don't want precedent set

that would allow pregnant women to sue employers for not accommodating their pregnancies.

Effin' hypocrites. I agree with all of the above comments that the whole point is to control women, not save fetuses or embryos.

[William769]

18. K&R.

[Lonestarblue]

20. Texas Republicans have gone full Taliban faster than I thought they would. All that matters in this

state is money, money, and more money—preferably all going to the top 1% there.

[NoMoreRepugs]

21. This case is going to attract national attention - rightly so. Have a feeling some heavyweight

organizations may come in to help her.

[Jay25]

22. They don't give a damn about fetuses; they just want to control women.

[ret5hd]

23. Maybe kidnapping also...

“prison doesnt let her leave for hours”???

Physically prevented? Short of locked doors etc I wouldn’t be asking for permission, I’d be leaving.

[KPN]

24. It's not about the definition of life, it's about controlling women. Their hypocrisy and preference

for convenience over consistency has been openly transparent for decades. The only thing that has changed is they are much bolder now than they were about 15 years ago, when Obama beat Hillary and then McCain. The intersection between misogynists and racists is wide and deep.

[roamer65]

27. +1000

Bingo.

[Hekate]

28. It is and always was about keeping women in their place. I bet they're already blaming her...

…. and demanding an investigation into her personal habits.

[dlk]

29. It has always been about men controlling women's bodies

Period, full stop.

[IcyPeas]

32. Get this: (from the linked article in the OP)....

(Bolding mine)

However, she also urged Albright to allow the argument that TDCJ officials violated the FMLA [family medical leave act] provision that allows employees to leave to care for their sons or daughters under the age of 18. In that claim, “fetal personhood,” or the idea of a fetus being legally considered a person, is front and center.

Issa and her husband say in court filings that she was seeking to leave work because her unborn child was suffering from a serious health condition, including a lack of oxygen and difficulty breathing during labor.

“Issa’s unborn child was past viability and its heartbeat had previously been detected,” the couple’s filing states. “This overwhelmingly supports finding the unborn child to be a ‘son’ or ‘daughter’ given the significance the State of Texas has attached to such benchmarks.”

Texas argued that the claim is invalid because Issa was only seeking leave to care for herself, not a child. And, they note, she was able to take leave after the stillbirth.

[Old Crank]

33. Charge everyone in the chain of command

with manslaughter. 5-10 in their own prison.

[Texin]

34. I've hated this stinkin' state for going on 30 years on now, and husband

has refused to move because he had/has a few luddite clients who can't find technology enough to use a damned computer or a smartphone. Most of those luddites are dead now or are soon to be and no longer of much value to him. Sadly, we're really too old now to move to someplace on the west coast (preferably southern California) and the real estate prices are out of our price range. Oh, and BTW, I was born here. We have an electric grid that kills people in winter and is barely able to keep the a/c going in the consistently sweltering summers. In DFW where we live, the forecast for the foreseeable future are in the 103 degrees to 107 rage day after fucking day. Oh, and don't even get me going about this asshole state's shitface crip-in-charge and his chucklehead clowns in the so-called legislature.

[Hassler]

36. The GOP has turned this state into shithole Texassistan.

[FakeNoose]

37. Texas needs to elect WOMEN to the Legislature and to the Governor's Mansion

You refuse to vote for Democrats? OK we get it. At least elect WOMEN - Repukes and Dems - and end this awful sexist subjugation of half the species. You're killing women and families. It's unsustainable.

[czarjak]

38. Greg The Great Baptist

All bow down?

[Bucky]

39. Meanwhile, Jordan Peterson and Dennis Prager are attacking us for moral relativism

[Martin68]

40. Well, you can never accuse conservatives of consistency...

[ShazzieB]

41. A fetus is a person whe it's convenient for them.

And only when it's convenient for them. Otherwise, they're like "Tough luck. "

[hildegaard28]

44. If the

State is arguing that her fetus isn't a person in this case, couldn't this argument be used to overturn the abortion laws in the state?

[moonshinegnomie]

45. My thought exactly

[RocRizzo55]

49. Right to life, my ass!

[LittleGirl]

50. My nephew was at 8 months gestation

And my sis in law stopped feeling him move. Went to the hospital and the labor department was full so they had to go to another hospital across town. By the time they got there, nephew was in distress. He was still born, revived for 10 minutes and died. It was gestational diabetes that took him. 1994 I believe.