Hearing on TFG protective order

[LetMyPeopleVote]

Here is a thread from a reporter in the media room who did a live stream thread of the hearing

Link to tweet

[Beachnutt]

1. What good is an order if the defendent ignores it

and says he will not shut up ?

[Captain Zero]

2. First instance jail him.

The judge could, right?

[Beachnutt]

5. That horse already left the barn..

"You come after me, I come after you " .

[calguy]

3. Then the defendant can be jailed after given reasonable warnings, which have occured

[Scottie Mom]

7. Contempt citation:

Elements:

1. Valid order;
2. Actual notice of the order;
3. Ability to comply; and
4. Wilful non-compliance.

Possible punishment can (but not mandatory) included confinement.

See: The classic criminal contempt is one where the act of contempt has been completed, punishment is imposed to vindicate the authority of the court, and a person cannot by subsequent action purge himself of such contempt. Gompers v. Bucks Stove & Range Co., 221 U.S. 418, 441–443 (1911); Ex parte Grossman, 267 U.S. 87 (1925). See also Bessette v. W.B. Conkey Co., 194 U.S. 324, 327–328 (1904).

Punishment:

In such cases, the offending person or corporation may be punished by both fine and imprisonment. In those cases where by accused is a natural person, however, the term of imprisonment shall not exceed six months, and the amount of any fine paid to the United States shall not exceed $1,000. Unlike contemnors charged under § 401, some categories of contemnors charged under § 402 are statutorily entitled to a jury trial before any punishment can be imposed.

https://www.bafirm.com/publication/federal-contempt-of-court/#:~:text=In%20such%20cases%2C%20the%20offending,States%20shall%20not%20exceed%20%241%2C000.

IMO, this judge has stones and will not hesitate of move on any contempt citation brought by the prosecutors. The order of date? She is not playing or giving the defendant a chance to fuck around and claim "First Amendment" rights as an excuse. The prosecution labels the material and her order applies. PERIOD.

Also IMO, she imposed the exact order the government was seeking because the defendant said basically he did not give a shit what the court said, ordered or ruled.

[blogslug]

4. The hearing is still happening

And yes, Ms. Buchman is doing and amazing job

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18172023

[msfiddlestix]

6. Is that it?

This is me, scratching my head, here.

[Scottie Mom]

8. IMO, this judge put Trump on the edge of a very dangerous cliff.

It's his choice to jump or not jump by disobeying her order.

IMO, she has the stones to jail him. See the above post I did re punishment...she can do this.

[msfiddlestix]

19. thanks, I've been dealing with other matters... good to know.

[blogslug]

10. The hearing is still happening

Ms Buchamn's recap thread is very long.

Right now, we're at a point where I think the judge is going to allow TFG to examine documents alone but he will not be allowed to bring any devices or paper with him

This hearing is still going on as of 11:30 AM EST

[msfiddlestix]

20. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t

[LetMyPeopleVote]

9. TFG cannot have his cell phone when reviewing documents

The latest is that TFG cannot have his cell phone with him when he reviews documents

Link to tweet

[cilla4progress]

11. He won't comply

so this is setting him up, if caught...

FFS this is the douche who flooded the server room to hide incriminating evidence!!

[brooklynite]

22. I which case his attorney will be in jail.

[Ohio Joe]

12. pffffftttt....

He wanted to be able to read them alone to copy them but now he can't because it was obvious what he wanted. He'll never want to read them alone now, he is too fuckin stupid to understand them

[Beachnutt]

13. Alone ?

He can't read and what he does read he won't understand any of it.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

14. Judge Chutkan give TFG a warning at the end of hearing

Link to tweet

[UTUSN]

15. "Lauro speak for Trump" - what can go wrong?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

16. Here is a threadreader link to most of this hearing

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1689944883962732544.html

[Recycle_Guru]

17. this is great reading! loving the handcuffs she places on Trump

by saying they will be watching closely for amy public statements he makes and she keeps saying he is a criminal defendant and will be treated as all other criminal defendants are treated.

Can't wait to see what the orange anus posts about this hearing.

[Ms. Toad]

18. Thanks!

I'm trying not to log into Twitter, but the recent changes make it hard to read a series of tweets without being logged in. This is very helpful.

[kentuck]

23. Good flavor of what went on today.

The Judge seemed pretty intent on protecting the witnesses and the information in the order.

[msfiddlestix]

24. thanks for this link. it was an interesting, if not in part, rather disappointing read

I can understand and respect the strategy of having a friendly demeanor and posture with defense.

I respect her position on being fair to the defense positions on limitations of speech, but I'm troubled that she doesn't appear to be concerned, in fact stated that she is not concerned with comments mad at the rallies, social media etc, saying they did not violate terms of release.

That statement, sentiment, opinion is a head scratchier to me.

[scipan]

21. What keeps him from smuggling in a cell phone?

Is anyone going to frisk him?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

26. If TFG does post a picture, the lawyers will also be sanctioned

The judge has greater ability to sanction the lawyers who will be held responsible if they let TFG violate the protective order

[scipan]

27. Thanks I didn't realize the extent to which his lawyers can be

held responsible for his independent actions.

Guess that's why Lawrence said they were failing in one of their most basic jobs: to control their client.

Wow. If I were a lawyer, you couldn't pay me enough for that job. He's uncontrollable.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

25. Here is the signed protective order

Link to tweet

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23907639-trump-protective-order?responsive=1&title=1