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Tiedrich: holy shit, these Federalist Society lawyers want to 14th Amendment the fuck out of Donald
https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/holy-shit-these-federalist-society?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1162742&post_id=135916727&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”
“engaged in insurrection or rebellion.”
hmm. does that sound like any fuckface former president we know?
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holy shit. the Federalist Society. that’s huge.
“The bottom line is that Donald Trump both ‘engaged in’ ‘insurrection or rebellion’ and gave ‘aid or comfort’ to others engaging in such conduct, within the original meaning of those terms as employed in Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.”
“Section 3’s disqualification rule may and must be followed — applied, honored, obeyed, enforced, carried out — by anyone whose job it is to figure out whether someone is legally qualified to office,” the authors wrote. That includes election administrators, the article said.
again, holy shit.
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brush
(61,033 posts)and voicing opposition against trump...and providing legal justification.
It's practically Machiavellian. Pigs must be flying outside.
wnylib
(26,076 posts)(what's left of them) must have a candidate that they think will beat Biden. There is no other reason for them to want to keep Trump off of the ballots.
brush
(61,033 posts)of the announced crop show much of a chance to supplant trump in the polls.
Also, I wonder how and when they'd invoke that 14th Amendment clause?
The repub national convention would be the perfect place IMO.
colorado_ufo
(6,253 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)has gotten all his legislation passed he can dominate the spotlight and have Dems and repubs trying to woo him.
Let him, though. If he switched to Indy it won't be so easy to get reelected in W. VA. And Sinema most likely won't be around to join him in a mini-power block scheme they've been running, as she probably won't get reelected in AZ.
Go ahead, Manchin. Give it a shot. See what how much power a lone indy in the Senate can wield.
rubbersole
(11,227 posts)Has been keeping his powder dry.
brush
(61,033 posts)in Georgia as that's the only way he won there. And ya can't do that in other states...especially the blue ones.
rubbersole
(11,227 posts)Compared to desantis he probably is. He was 'elected' by purging Stacy Abrams' voters. The Heritage Foundation, ALEC and other billionaires (they don't want their taxes raised) will spend whatever it takes to keep the federal government divided like it is now.
brush
(61,033 posts)There's plenty of material for oppo ads against him. He's go as much chance as the rest of the also-rans running now.
mercuryblues
(16,434 posts)Donnie 2 scoops under the bus. Full stop.
They like to operate in the dark, like cockroaches, Donnie's outbursts are detrimental to that.
They have the Supreme court that they want. He's got to go.
They are hoping with Donnie gone, all these investigations into the Supremes will subside.
brush
(61,033 posts)to throw him over the side like a piece of jetsam no longer needed.
I'm definitely with them.
Laha
(433 posts)They got what they wanted from him and don't need him anymore, except that Donnie's outbursts actually help distract people from their real motives. This is absolutely not a sign of them trying to be good people.
whopis01
(3,921 posts)They know Trump has no chance in the general election. But they also know Trump is almost certain to get the nomination.
DeSantis has already put a Federalist society member on the Florida Supreme Court. They want Trump out of the way so that DeSantis can get the nomination.
If Trump wins the nomination it pretty much guarantees that Biden will win. It also is likely to reduce Republican turnout overall as there are significant portions of the party who are done with Trump. That will hurt them greatly in other races for the House, Senate, etc.
The earlier they get rid of Trump the better position they are in. That is their motivation.
Glib Acuman
(11 posts)A month ago, I wrote to the Connecticut Secretary of State about this 14th Amendment rumor. A robot answered my email. Yesterday, I wrote again to Santasha Pena, but only a software robot replied. Did you notify your state elections official?
"Dear Secretary of State Pena,
My name is Alan Folmsbee. I live in Bristol, Connecticut.
Please keep the insurrectionist, Trump off any ballot.
The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution "is clear that
anyone who takes an oath of office and then engages in
insurrection is forever barred from holding public office
again". No trial is needed to know Trump is a traitor and always
loves Russia in his statements.
In my 71 years, I have seen many poor people go to jail
for no reason. I seldom see rich criminals have justice
delivered. Please show that the Law means something
to you. Keep a known insurrectionist off the ballot. Your inaction
would mean you support and defend insurrectionists.
Do your duty. The mob-boss former president is
calling for murders of state workers. This is too serious
to ignore. Announce your goal publicly, soon:
Choose a goal: protect an insurrectionist or protect democracy.
If email means nothing to you, I can write a letter.
Please do not ignore me again. I can meet with you and the legislature
to discuss the Constitution."
MOMFUDSKI
(7,080 posts)how the rethugs REALLY feel. Cool.
wnylib
(26,076 posts)
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)The old guard have found their spine and a divided GQP party works for us!
whopis01
(3,921 posts)DeSantis is a friend of the Federalists. He has put one of them on the Florida Supreme Court already.
They know Trump is a liability at this point. The earlier they get him out of the way the better for them in the upcoming elections.
Do not think for one moment they are doing this because it is the right thing to do. This is a strategic move on their part.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)They are forming a circular firing squad which pleases me no end.
Mossfern
(4,717 posts)in both Houses to get this done?
wnylib
(26,076 posts)any prohibition to Trump being on the ballot. So, no, there will not be a 2/3 majority in the Senate in favor of having Trump on the ballot.
But that assumes that he would actually be removed from the ballots based on his insurrection activities.
Karadeniz
(24,746 posts)
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,785 posts)
MineralMan
(151,293 posts)They got their conservative SCOTUS, so they have no need for Trump now. The sooner he's gone, the better, they believe.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)mchill
(1,188 posts)Who has a brother-in-law who was both a member of that secret CNP group, but at one time a legal analyst for the Federalist Society. I spied his FB pages and he was supporting the douchebag from Florida. Not in an excessive way—one post, so maybe hedging, but the fact that doughy was his only choice thus far…
whopis01
(3,921 posts)They know Trump stands no chance in the general election and will likely be a drag on other races for them.
This is a strategic move on their part to get Trump’s liabilities off the table. The earlier they do it the better it will be for them.
Personally I want to see the orange albatross hanging around their neck for quite some time to come.
mchill
(1,188 posts)He is being indicted because we are afraid he will win. Not the primary reason or even the reason. We want accountability!
Trueblue1968
(19,257 posts)
Bird Lady
(1,996 posts)
Marthe48
(23,196 posts)25 months would see the end of traitor
Bird Lady
(1,996 posts)I'm for it!
Sanity Claws
(22,415 posts)and want a candidate who can win.
republianmushroom
(22,344 posts)
progressoid
(53,206 posts)If you say so jeff. It has 70 thousand members so...
Bluethroughu
(7,215 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)I don’t want to be a bother. 
For me, I saw links all over Tiedrich’s essay, but none was obvious and sad to say I don’t have time just now to go to all of them trying to find his source with the Federalistas.
orleans
(36,962 posts)126 page article to be published next year
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4532751
( i didn't download it. yet)
and nytimes link
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/10/us/trump-jan-6-insurrection-conservatives.html
Hekate
(100,133 posts)
orleans
(36,962 posts)
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)turn into a fan of the Federalist Society. They are the ones who I would like to ban from politics.
Maybe they are doing this just to set a precedent so they can go after Democratic elected officials. We don't need to hand this to them, there are ulterior motives at play here, bet on it.
Never forget, they are the ones who stole the Supreme Court.
calimary
(90,125 posts)whopis01
(3,921 posts)They know Trump will lose the general election and want him out of the way to give DeSantis a better shot.
OMGWTF
(5,139 posts)They just want to have a different nominee but they will still lose bigly.
Habitation
(5,717 posts)also they want to use it to legitimize more abuse of state power
PlutosHeart
(1,445 posts)because all roads lead to the Supreme Court and things go south many times.
Renew Deal
(85,194 posts)Are states expected to keep him off the ballot?
orleans
(36,962 posts)based on it being illegal to put him on ballots, thereby the SOSs could be charged
it's a bit wowing
(see a couple of my posts upthread)
applegrove
(132,295 posts)where Trump can take other people's money there is no functioning judicial system. They will lose power.