Judge warns TFG at hearing, says he cannot have phone or copier while reviewing documents

[zuul]

Hugo Lowell (The Guardian) @hugolowell:

New: US judge Tanya Chutkan appears to warn Trump at the end of the hearing: The more that a party makes inflammatory statements that could intimidate witnesses, the quicker she will want to go to trial to ensure an untainted jury pool

10:42 AM · Aug 11, 2023

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Kyle Griffin (msnbc) @kylegriffin1:

Judge Chutkan rules Trump will be forbidden from having a phone, copy machine, or anything else that could create a copy of the sensitive materials while he's reviewing them. Defense counsel will have to review Trump's notes to make sure he's not copying witness' personal info.

10:55 AM · Aug 11, 2023

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[aocommunalpunch]

1. He'll do it anyway and they'll cover for him.

He’s gonna taint everything. Just lock him the fuck up.

[Tansy_Gold]

23. You took the pixels right outta my fingers

I said it out loud as soon as I saw the OP: "He'll do it anyway. Just lock him the fuck up."

[live love laugh]

48. ✔️

[Recycle_Guru]

60. but they have to walk him down that road for all to see

it is better to do it this way in the long run; same reason it would have been a bad idea to come screaming out of the gate in Feb 2021 going after Trump for J6.

Our nation needs a civics lesson every step of the way to show how far out of the norm and criminal Trump truly is.

[scipan]

61. If he posts something from the discovery

His lawyers are responsible as well as him. I don't think he can get away with much, at least publicly.

[Rebl2]

62. Yep

Will he have to go to DC to review documents? There should be witnesses (nobody associated with him) in the room other than his lawyers to be sure no phones are used. Better yet search him and his lawyers for phones or recording devices before they are allowed to see documents.

[uponit7771]

66. +1

[Ocelot II]

2. The more he shoots off his mouth, the faster the trial will happen.

I love it. Judge also told him that her decisions will not be affected by his campaign schedule and he'll be treated like any other criminal defendant. She definitely don't play.

[2naSalit]

13. I like that part too...

He has been told.

[Raven]

16. That's the kind of tactic you use with a 5 year old. n/t

[NYC Liberal]

41. Yep. Which means the trial will be starting next week.

[The Magistrate]

3. A Thing Of Beauty, That

[C_U_L8R]

4. It was like they were talking about an idiot child

He can't be left alone with the papers because no one trusts what he'll do with the papers.

[Mr.Bill]

21. They are talking about an idiot child. n/t

[MLAA]

5. Trump take notes? That's hilarious!

[Pinback]

47. LOL, my thought exactly

[MLAA]

51. Turn that arrow 90 degrees upward!

Good one!

[Lonestarblue]

6. I doubt Trump will read anything. He will have his lawyers review everything because the

evidence against him will not be presented in bullet point charts with lots of simple visuals so he can understand it. This is a man who had to have national security information laid out like it was a fifth grade reader, and even then he didn’t bother attending them.

[Recycle_Guru]

12. bit he could take pics and post on Truth Social

his past behavior is dictating their l need to be very specific on how to protect this private and sensitive material before releasing to the defense.

[Walleye]

7. I don't think Donald is real big on taking notes

[wnylib]

8. How will any one verify that Trump does not have a phone

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or other photographic device on him? Will somebody frisk him before and after he reviews materials? Allowing Trump to view materials alone, without attorneys present, is an invitation to his criminal mind to sneak in a concealed, tiny camera, or to hide notes in his clothing and show only acceptable ones to his attorneys for review. It also allows his attorneys to decide what is too sensitive to copy.

Will there be surveillance cameras in the space where Trump reviews the materials? I think that should be required.

[2naSalit]

15. I think that's...

Standard requirement for entering a SCIF.

[wnylib]

22. But this is about the DC J6 indictment, not

the Florida top secret docs indictment.

AFAIK, the DC J6 indictment does not involve materials that require a SCIF. The restrictions being imposed are for the purpose of preventing Trump from using investigation records, names, and testimonies to intimidate witnesses and potential jurors.

[2naSalit]

25. ...

Right! I have been scattered about all week and am not keeping all this stuff straight very well. Thank you!

[wnylib]

28. LOL. Join the club. So many legal moves

going on that it's hard to keep them straight.

[Orrex]

42. Don't feel bad

After the first few dozen indictments, it’s easy to lose track.

[2naSalit]

52. Yeah...

As they pile up, they become invisible.

Can't see the forest for the trees sort of thing, I guess.

[MiHale]

44. Wait till Georgia enters the scene...

Enuf to drive a sane person crazy just trying to follow along. We need an Indictment Deck of Cards.

[wnylib]

50. I think we need a separate DU forum

to handle all the info on indictments. A pinned thread could list the indictments, lawyers, and judges.

Then have open threads for discussions at each stage.

[2naSalit]

53. I think we need...

A deck of cards for each indictment. Poker cards have 52 and tarot have 72, we could have a variety of sizes to fit the cases. There are just too many to fit into just one deck, it will have to be a series.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

54. You missed the obvious

RPG card games don't have limits on numbers of cards.

Call it MAGA:The Blathering.

[2naSalit]

56. I...

Don't think I know what those are.

[uponit7771]

67. right ?!

[COL Mustard]

63. It is, but the judge is also giving

TFG enough rope to hang himself, if he is so inclined. He can't help himself. You know he's going to do it.

[2naSalit]

64. Have to agree...

I am sure that both the judge and prosecution are hip to the stink of his sh*t and know that all they have to do is play it pretty much by the book and he'll hang himself.

Of course, he's going to blow it with bigly brass band.

[oldsoftie]

40. A strip search by Edward Scissorhands.

[riversedge]

9. Jack smith wil have his hands full keeping tabs on the Donald and his spoiled child rants

and behavior.
I doubt that Trump himself would show up to review the material--but one never knows!!

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

55. Nah. That's what clerks and paralegals are for

They can keep tabs on the social media, rallies and so on.

[no_hypocrisy]

10. Did the Judge order that TFG & attys can only review documents in the presence

of the prosecutor or a representative of the prosecutor? Or would that compromise the privacy of attorney-client?

[Recycle_Guru]

14. in discovery, they fully release what they have

and jusge/prosecution determine if defendant or lawyers are violating the protective order and/or pre-trial release conditions

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

57. You can't be serious

That would defeat the purpose of discovery: Each side gives each other what they have, and then they review it all separately, to look for flaws in the analysis and legal readings of that information.

If you let the prosecution look in on the defense reviewing that information, it would be the equivalent of a casino house not only dealing the cards, but then getting to look over your shoulder at what cards you're playing.

The defense lawyers will have to keep an eye on him.

[maxsolomon]

11. Pretty mild admonishments.

He will continue to threaten anyone he chooses to just as he's done all along.

Trump won't even look at the classified material. It would be actual work.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. Nope. Hits tRump where it hurts the most: blocks delays

That's the point of the first tweet. tRump wants to push it all past Nov 2024.

He desperately wants to be president again so he can pardon himself and use government machinery to get revenge on his enemies.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

58. How so?

And how do you know that's what she will do if he violates any of it? Are you some kind of all-knowing prognosticator?

If you know how to read legalese, she's not being mild at all. She's laying down the rules for him, and letting him know there will be consequences if he yanks her chain. She literally put him in a box for what he and his hack lawyers can do with discovery information regarding witnesses and jurors.

She's also handling him in a way that will make it really--really--hard for him to have any wiggle room for an appeal. If she came out throwing the book at him, that would give him room for it. By giving him a slack leash in the beginning, and now starting to reel it in, she's closing his avenues for a legit appeal. She's giving him the option not to be stupid, but if he insists on it, well, the leash will get shorter and shorter until he's well within FAFO territory. But never be in doubt that he's on a leash, and she's holding it. Because when he FAFOs after he's reined in al the way, she will then have given him chances to behave right, and it will be only his fault when she makes him pay the price for being stupid with her.

[maxsolomon]

65. Yes, I am an all-knowing prognosticator.

[dweller]

17. Is he prohibited

from eating the notes ?
🤔



Some say …


✌🏻

[Scottie Mom]

34. Maybe they should have prohibited ketchup if he is around the evidence?

Asking for a friend.

[Kaleva]

18. Trump can't have crayons and coloring paper

[kentuck]

19. He knows they will not search him.

He will try and slip in a phone. Just because he can.

[wnylib]

26. Yes! He will not only try, but will succeed.

I believe that he will leak info, use it once it is public, and continue his intimidation tactics. The court and prosecution will not be able to prove that it was Trump or his attorneys that leaked the info, so he will get away with it. He will claim that it was Judge Chutkan or SC Smith who leaked it.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

59. Yeah, they will know where it came from

There are ways to make it obvious it came from him.

And it's not like the people around him have any more loyalty to him than he has to them. It won't take much to get one of them to rat him out.

Besides, these are stupid people. Subterfuge and nuance is not their forte.

[musclecar6]

24. Gee

Let's see. Trusting Donny to do the correct thing he's required to. Hmmmm ........ Yeah that's likely to happen.

[multigraincracker]

27. Didn't TFG once claim he has one

the greatest memories of all time?

Will he have to be reminded of his statement?

[Generic Brad]

32. Man, woman, chair, camera

He has an amazing mind.

[Orrex]

43. Hey, credit where due

He can remember almost as many words as Koko the sign language gorilla.

[Emile]

29. LOCK HIM UP!

[LymphocyteLover]

30. this is what happens when you elect a mob boss POTUS

[Brainfodder]

31. When it shows up on Truth Social he gets a cell, in 1.... 2.....

The pile on that he won't STFU has been hyped to the moon?

[LuckyCharms]

33. mr. trump will try to sneak in a rotary dial phone.

Because he's a stable genius.

A very stable genius.

[C Moon]

35. LOL!

[republianmushroom]

36. More warnings.

[intheflow]

37. He needs to be physically searched upon entry to the room.

To ensure he’s not hiding a phone or other recording device.

[calimary]

38. Your Honor, you're going to have to order him into custody.

Maybe bound and gagged, with NO phone, NO pencil/pen, and NO paper. And NO ACCESS - to any interviewers or press people or microphones or cameras OR ANYTHING through whom or through which he get get his verbal manipulation strategies out to the public to contaminate any jury pool or media coverage he can somehow reach. TOTAL LOCKDOWN. And ONLY when it’s time to eat does the gag come off. Briefly.

I don’t think this contrarian reality of his has gotten through to people. He sincerely believes that NOBODY can tell him what to do. And he will have to be brought to heel - by force if necessary, He will try to mess things up ANY way he can and as long as he can say or insinuate ANYTHING to Tai t the jury pool, he’ll find a way.

So YOU have to out-think him in every way possible. Your Honor. Maybe get some help on that, because if you’re not sneaky by nature, you won’t be able to anticipate what shit he might pull.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

39. There is no untainted jury pool

anywhere in the Milky Way galaxy.

"The more that a party makes inflammatory statements that could intimidate witnesses..."

"So just intimidate them this much, or I just may consider mulling over the possibility of perhaps contemplating setting a trial date that may conflict with your inauguration as Grand Poobah Dictator of the Shithole Formally Known as the United States."

And why refer to him as "a party," like anybody else is gonna intimidate witnesses!

[AnrothElf]

45. Thanks for including the text. I have blocked Twitter

[Cha]

46. "Defense council review notes"..?! lauro

can't be trusted.

[msfiddlestix]

49. LOL. tfg is really shitting bricks now. (not)

that edict is really going to hold his feet to the fire now. he'll be so worried , it will be just a love fest from here on out.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

68. I would not trust his lawyers

some of them have already lied for him... bunch of ambulance chasers