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EarlG

(23,633 posts)
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 06:37 PM Aug 2023

It's not a political strategy. It's the predictable behavior of a narcissist.

Does any of this sound familiar? It's from an article about what happens to narcissists when they lose a presidential election, er, I mean, have their narcissistic supply taken away.

Throughout, the narcissist is beset by a pervading sense of malignant nostalgia, harking back to a past, which never existed except in the thwarted fantastic grandiosity of the narcissist. The longer the lack of Narcissistic Supply, the more the narcissist glorifies, re-writes, misses and mourns this past.

This nostalgia serves to enhance other negative feelings, amounting to clinical depression. The narcissist proceeds to develop paranoia. He concocts a prosecuting world, incorporating in it his life's events and his social milieu. This gives meaning to what is erroneously perceived by the narcissist to be a sudden shift (from over-supply to no supply).

These theories of conspiracy account for the decrease in Narcissistic Supply. The narcissist then - frightened, in pain, and in despair - embarks upon an orgy of self-destruction intended to generate "alternative Supply Sources" (attention) at any cost. The narcissist is poised to commit the ultimate narcissistic act: self-destruction in the service of self-aggrandisement.

(snip)

The narcissist believes that, no matter what he does, he will always be forgiven, always prevail and triumph, always come on top. The narcissist is, therefore, fearless in a manner perceived by others to be both admirable and insane. He attributes to himself divine and cosmic immunity - he cloaks himself in it, it renders him invisible to his enemies and to the powers of "evil". It is a childish phantasmagoria - but to the narcissist it is very real.

https://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/malignant-self-love/narcissists-reaction-to-deficient-narcissistic-supply

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It's not a political strategy. It's the predictable behavior of a narcissist. (Original Post) EarlG Aug 2023 OP
"...commit the ultimate narcissistic act: self-destruction in the service of self-aggrandisement..." Wednesdays Aug 2023 #1
Problem is he could do it with our nuclear arsenal Captain Zero Aug 2023 #4
Wise person said don't worry too much about things that haven't happened or may not happen at all emulatorloo Aug 2023 #7
I think we're seeing it in slow motion EarlG Aug 2023 #6
It is a political strategy as long as a substantial number of voters respond... TygrBright Aug 2023 #16
Good points. Maybe it's some of both? EarlG Aug 2023 #17
Indeed... "L'etat... c'est moi" n/t TygrBright Aug 2023 #22
On point! sheshe2 Aug 2023 #2
Excellent post. anciano Aug 2023 #3
GREAT read! chillfactor Aug 2023 #5
Thanks! emulatorloo Aug 2023 #8
K&R Blue Owl Aug 2023 #9
K&R! Thanks so much, spot on! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #10
K & R! 58Sunliner Aug 2023 #11
There's an article in The Guardian today about how European leaders are already trying to decide Lonestarblue Aug 2023 #12
That's the question for our tines. Scary as hell. Joinfortmill Aug 2023 #14
WHY is Trump allowed to run again Skittles Aug 2023 #15
He's going to get crushed in 2024. maxsolomon Aug 2023 #18
And very nuts. Joinfortmill Aug 2023 #13
If he's the nominee, how will he react to losing the popular vote a third time? ecstatic Aug 2023 #19
On target, thanks. K/R Their ego and needs are immense. appalachiablue Aug 2023 #20
It seems to me this applies to the hard-core MAGA supporter as well. Midnight Writer Aug 2023 #21
Yep, and throw in Ron DeSantis too Attilatheblond Aug 2023 #23
Kick dalton99a Aug 2023 #24
I've only made several posts about this very thing ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #25
to me the most disturbing thing about this whole era- mopinko Aug 2023 #26
"i want never again to stick this time." William769 Aug 2023 #27
Ok. 1 narcissist I can understand. But all the supporters lindysalsagal Aug 2023 #28
Trump has given our country (and the world) a lesson we didn't need in abnormal psychology dlk Aug 2023 #29

Wednesdays

(22,604 posts)
1. "...commit the ultimate narcissistic act: self-destruction in the service of self-aggrandisement..."
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 06:51 PM
Aug 2023

I can certainly see TFG make his final act one of self-immolation...a huge ball of flames, one like nobody has ever seen before.

Captain Zero

(8,905 posts)
4. Problem is he could do it with our nuclear arsenal
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 06:59 PM
Aug 2023

If he somehow gets back in the white house.

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
7. Wise person said don't worry too much about things that haven't happened or may not happen at all
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:14 PM
Aug 2023

EarlG

(23,633 posts)
6. I think we're seeing it in slow motion
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:13 PM
Aug 2023

Losing the election was the withdrawal of his narcissistic supply -- he couldn't handle being told by the nation that he was no longer allowed to be The Most Powerful Man In The World, and instead he was being demoted to "just some rich guy living in a golf club":

"The narcissist believes that, no matter what he does, he will always be forgiven, always prevail and triumph, always come on top."

Trump refused to believe that the nation would reject him, to the point that he was claiming that the election was rigged before it even happened. Once he actually found out that he lost, his conspiracy theories about the election being stolen took over:

"The narcissist proceeds to develop paranoia. He concocts a prosecuting world, incorporating in it his life's events and his social milieu."

While losing all of his election challenges in court, Trump's conspiracy grew and became criminal, which he capped off by gathering a mob in DC and setting them loose on the Capitol:

"The narcissist then - frightened, in pain, and in despair - embarks upon an orgy of self-destruction intended to generate "alternative Supply Sources" (attention) at any cost."

Now we're at the stage where, with the law breathing down his neck, he's out there attacking the prosecutors, judges, and witnesses:

"The narcissist is poised to commit the ultimate narcissistic act: self-destruction in the service of self-aggrandisement."

What's weird is that the media continues to report on his mental disintegration as if it's a legitimate political strategy.

TygrBright

(21,362 posts)
16. It is a political strategy as long as a substantial number of voters respond...
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:20 PM
Aug 2023

...as the narcissist hopes they will, by attending rallies and sending money.

It is a political strategy as long as a major political apparatus (even one that has become a criminal conspiracy instigated by antisocial oligarchs) legitimizes it.

It is a political strategy as long as enough potential voters respond that yes, they're gonna vote for the sick, toxic narcissist.

The media isn't helping, by constantly refraining from pointing out how insane and dysfunctional it all is, but they can't really be blamed for treating it as a political strategy. In the political arena, it is functioning like a strategy.

wearily,
Bright

EarlG

(23,633 posts)
17. Good points. Maybe it's some of both?
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:45 PM
Aug 2023

It’s a personal strategy to compensate for lack of narcissistic supply, but it manifests as a political strategy because that’s the arena he’s playing in.

Most garden variety narcissists don’t get to become President of the USA, so they just act out against friends and family. Trump, having made it to the top of the heap, is acting out against the whole country.

What he’s doing is political, in the sense that it incorporates the political establishment. But the ends are not political at all, in the sense that he’s interested in “the affairs of the cities.” All of this is purely about him and his own sense of well-being.

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
12. There's an article in The Guardian today about how European leaders are already trying to decide
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:01 PM
Aug 2023

whether the US will be a country they can trust in the future. If Trump is elected, they think the answer is no. Their concern is that no one can trust a government headed by Trump. The question was whether Biden is a harbinger of going back to normal government or whether he is an anomaly that will next degenerate into Trump/Republican abnormal government. If that’s the case, they see the EU as having to go it alone without the US, along with the need to forge new relationships. None of that bodes well for the US.

Skittles

(171,717 posts)
15. WHY is Trump allowed to run again
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:19 PM
Aug 2023

he never conceded a legitimate election, then he tried to OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT....WTF IS GOING ON HERE

maxsolomon

(38,729 posts)
18. He's going to get crushed in 2024.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:49 PM
Aug 2023

He has gathered no new support since losing in 2020, and millions of his voters died of Covid.

His schtick is TIRED.

Maybe I sound like an optimist, but I've always been known as a cynic.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
19. If he's the nominee, how will he react to losing the popular vote a third time?
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:51 PM
Aug 2023

And losing the general election twice?

Midnight Writer

(25,410 posts)
21. It seems to me this applies to the hard-core MAGA supporter as well.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:58 PM
Aug 2023

They feel they will never face consequences for their actions, and, what's more, that they shouldn't have to face consequences.

Attilatheblond

(8,880 posts)
23. Yep, and throw in Ron DeSantis too
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 09:46 PM
Aug 2023

He is clearly on the narcissist scale. Also the despot scale.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
25. I've only made several posts about this very thing
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 12:01 AM
Aug 2023

I've had the misfortune of living with narcissists, up close and personal, including three highly malignant ones. The ones I had to endure weren't wealthy like he was, but in ever other sense, he is the same as the others.

That's why TFG isn't so much of a mystery to me. Nay, he's frighteningly familiar.

mopinko

(73,726 posts)
26. to me the most disturbing thing about this whole era-
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 08:40 AM
Aug 2023

despite all the examples of the 20th century, another mad man was allowed to rise to power.
sometimes it seems like we’ve learned nothing.
except that we did. our understanding of mental illness and human mental pathology has grown by leaps and bounds. a huge amount of academic research went into understanding what happened in germany.
professionals warned us, at risk to their careers.

everyone here knows all this. but it’s not a part of the reality of half the country. and a good chunk of the world.
i srsly, srsly, want a thorough autopsy when he dies. (which cant come soon enough) i want his brain cross sectioned and i want pics of the swiss cheese that it is on my teevee and my front page. i want his real medical records released.

i want never again to stick this time.

lindysalsagal

(22,915 posts)
28. Ok. 1 narcissist I can understand. But all the supporters
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 08:56 AM
Aug 2023

Are much more staggering. And ultimately far more dangerous. Why people volunteer to cater to these monsters is the real question.

dlk

(13,248 posts)
29. Trump has given our country (and the world) a lesson we didn't need in abnormal psychology
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 02:19 PM
Aug 2023

Textbook pathology

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