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LuckyCharms

(22,645 posts)
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 04:58 PM Aug 2023

The thing I hate the most since tfg came on the scene...

You're either speaking, emailing, or texting with someone who is not quite a friend, but a long time acquaintance, and they suddenly slip some racist bullshit into the conversation.

I've lost so many acquaintances and even friends over shit like this.

As soon as that happens "Welp, there goes another one".

I'll block them and delete them from my contacts.

All it takes is once for me.

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The thing I hate the most since tfg came on the scene... (Original Post) LuckyCharms Aug 2023 OP
I know just what you mean. My Friendship "Tree" is down to a few twigs...sigh. n/t SheilaAnn Aug 2023 #1
Seriously, me too. LuckyCharms Aug 2023 #2
Same here and at 71 years old I am not wasting time livetohike Aug 2023 #6
Same here although I'm 74. llmart Aug 2023 #46
I'm glad I'm not alone in this. I tried to persuade people to Bluethroughu Aug 2023 #49
Yup Effete Snob Aug 2023 #3
That happens too frequently at my workplace. My response is a side look or silence Boomerproud Aug 2023 #4
Republicans can't figure out why so many "Libtards" are unfriending them ThoughtCriminal Aug 2023 #5
I'm lost two longtime friends to him kimbutgar Aug 2023 #7
Many MAGAs had hard childhoods and bad wnylib Aug 2023 #9
And behind all anger is fear. I have known a lot of leftyladyfrommo Aug 2023 #21
The great philosopher Yoda: Wednesdays Aug 2023 #22
Anger doesn't always lead to hate. soldierant Aug 2023 #26
As usual with George Lucas ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #39
I'm not convinced that education makes the difference. wnylib Aug 2023 #25
+1000 llmart Aug 2023 #47
Kudos! Must have been hard, but you are wnylib Aug 2023 #50
I am like that with liars. pwb Aug 2023 #8
I say, and it is like a Mantra Mira Aug 2023 #10
That's great. Sky Jewels Aug 2023 #14
I'm in the South Mira Aug 2023 #38
The plethora of racist stickers on vehicles hibbing Aug 2023 #11
Oy Vey! The list of casual offences just does not end... Ford_Prefect Aug 2023 #12
What I hate the most is that I even know his name maxrandb Aug 2023 #13
May I ask: Sky Jewels Aug 2023 #15
Depends. LuckyCharms Aug 2023 #23
When they say they're "joking," ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #40
In some cases, that would just be inviting violence. Wednesdays Aug 2023 #24
ive had so many friends who were smart go stupid over covid and trump. AllaN01Bear Aug 2023 #16
Covid was the other shoe dropping. nt hay rick Aug 2023 #18
Trump is a Rorschach test for decency or the lack thereof. hay rick Aug 2023 #17
good assessment Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #19
I call them out tiredtoo Aug 2023 #20
Me too and they are so 'stoopid' they can't figure out Why. Yes, really. flying_wahini Aug 2023 #27
Same here LC Ferrets are Cool Aug 2023 #28
But, their feelings? czarjak Aug 2023 #29
I'm afraid my reaction is not so low key as yours Warpy Aug 2023 #30
asking them to explain their 'jokes' mopinko Aug 2023 #45
Yeah, if you want to get rid of them permanently Warpy Aug 2023 #48
I believe it was Bill Clinton who said The Wizard Aug 2023 #31
I call them out first Skittles Aug 2023 #32
Consider that my genealogy research consists of nearly 50,000. LiberalFighter Aug 2023 #33
"When someone shows you who they are, believe them." Maya Angelou pandr32 Aug 2023 #34
As my parents taught me: DENVERPOPS Aug 2023 #52
It would have come out later unless it was "enabled" usonian Aug 2023 #35
I hear you PJMcK Aug 2023 #36
What I hate is how mean and nasty people have become. Initech Aug 2023 #37
A lot of people that went to "The Sound of Freedom" Elessar Zappa Aug 2023 #55
I've decided my reply to one of them, should they say Maraya1969 Aug 2023 #41
Yeah. Mad_Machine76 Aug 2023 #42
Yep. Did that with an old boss. sellitman Aug 2023 #43
Actually thats the thing I like the most. William769 Aug 2023 #44
+1 leftstreet Aug 2023 #53
I have 100 cousins Pototan Aug 2023 #51
Same Saoirse9 Aug 2023 #54
They always speak as if theirs is the correct default position Orrex Aug 2023 #56

LuckyCharms

(22,645 posts)
2. Seriously, me too.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:02 PM
Aug 2023

It's depressing, and it's even more depressing to think that I didn't recognize the signs earlier.

livetohike

(24,277 posts)
6. Same here and at 71 years old I am not wasting time
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:22 PM
Aug 2023

with those relationships. Strike one and you’re out.

llmart

(17,614 posts)
46. Same here although I'm 74.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 02:13 PM
Aug 2023

One even remotely racist remark and I'm done with that person. Doesn't matter if they've been a lifelong friend from school days.

My circle of people I will have a relationship with is getting smaller. That happens as one gets older but that's usually due to death. These days it's also due to having a core principle and not being wishy washy about that principle.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
49. I'm glad I'm not alone in this. I tried to persuade people to
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 02:32 PM
Aug 2023

Understand what they are saying. Now, my patience is gone and so are they.

Boomerproud

(9,291 posts)
4. That happens too frequently at my workplace. My response is a side look or silence
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:07 PM
Aug 2023

and that stops it for awhile but it pops up again.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,721 posts)
5. Republicans can't figure out why so many "Libtards" are unfriending them
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:16 PM
Aug 2023

Or they figure it's just because we're all commie snowflakes.


kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
7. I'm lost two longtime friends to him
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:42 PM
Aug 2023

Both women friends who I knew in my 20’s. We used to have so much fun together and they went full Maga.

Ironically both these women had lousy childhoods and not much of relationships with their fathers growing up. I had a great Dad who I knew loved me. Both these women had lousy relationships and are both single now and growing older and looking older was hard on them.

wnylib

(26,008 posts)
9. Many MAGAs had hard childhoods and bad
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:00 PM
Aug 2023

relationships with their fathers. Trump had an abusive childhood and a lousy father. They identify with him.

Not all people with lousy fathers or bad childhoods become MAGAs. Many learn to cope with their past without becoming hate-filled and ignorant. Several learn from their own pain to care about others who suffer in any way.

But MAGAs are perpetually angry and unable to give it up. They love having a "leader" who expresses it for them and gives them license to lash out, too.

leftyladyfrommo

(20,002 posts)
21. And behind all anger is fear. I have known a lot of
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:49 PM
Aug 2023

these people having lived and worked in Missouri. These people are just plain scared. And if you asked them what they are scared of they probably couldn't tell you.

Msybe if you have almost no education our human fragility looks a lot scarier.

Wednesdays

(22,593 posts)
22. The great philosopher Yoda:
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:53 PM
Aug 2023

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

soldierant

(9,354 posts)
26. Anger doesn't always lead to hate.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 07:02 PM
Aug 2023

Sometimes it leads to positive change.

In fact no change is possible without it. But it makes a difference whether you control it or it controls you.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
39. As usual with George Lucas
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 12:39 AM
Aug 2023

It's wrong *and* stupid. He confused anger with rage. They're not the same thing.

Rage is irrational and uncontrolled fury over ridiculous things. It's destructive and negative.

Anger is a perfectly legitimate and healthy response when faced with something you know is wrong. It is born from a position of love, and fair play. With anger, you are getting a message to do something positive to change something that's wrong. It's when people get angry about injustice, angry about abuse, angry about inequality that they get together and change the world.

As but one example, yet something that changed the world, it was righteous anger at being told to yield her seat to a white person that made Rosa Parks stay in her seat.

That kind of anger launched the civil rights movement--fed it, and sustained it.

wnylib

(26,008 posts)
25. I'm not convinced that education makes the difference.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:57 PM
Aug 2023

There are highly educated people who are MAGA leaders.

I know some well educated people who support Trump.

It seems to be a matter of emotions and character more than one of facts and knowledge.

llmart

(17,614 posts)
47. +1000
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 02:17 PM
Aug 2023

I had a lousy father and a poor childhood and yet it led me to have more empathy for others. As a very young child I was determined to not let my past define me. In my household once you graduated from high school you were on your own. So growing up I set my sights on making it to graduation and then creating a life the way I wanted it to be. I also made sure my two children had a life unlike mine and I did everything to see that they did.

wnylib

(26,008 posts)
50. Kudos! Must have been hard, but you are
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 02:33 PM
Aug 2023

an example that people can make changes in their lives.



Mira

(22,685 posts)
10. I say, and it is like a Mantra
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:03 PM
Aug 2023

"What makes you think I share your prejudice?" And take it from there, out the door

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
14. That's great.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:34 PM
Aug 2023

May I make one small suggestion? Instead of the word "prejudice," use "bigotry." It hits harder, IMHO.

Mira

(22,685 posts)
38. I'm in the South
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 11:31 PM
Aug 2023

and the folks involved understand the word prejudice a bit better. I'll amend as needed. LOL

hibbing

(10,597 posts)
11. The plethora of racist stickers on vehicles
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:18 PM
Aug 2023

Seeing them more and more. I guess there is no shame anymore since the other party fully embraces it. A few tfg stickers, don't tread on me, and a confederate flag seem to be part for the course these days.

Peace

maxrandb

(17,425 posts)
13. What I hate the most is that I even know his name
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:32 PM
Aug 2023

Every fiber of my being knows that I should not be required to spend one second of my thoughts on this dipshit.

He is, and should be, the most insignificant person to have ever darkened planet earth.

Because enough hateful, racist asshats decided to sell their souls to give this guy position and authority he should never come within a 1,000 miles of, I am required to treat a completely ignorant, unserious moron, seriously.

It's like I have spent 7 years watching a dog working on a Trigonometry equation, while 42% of the people tell me the dog is a genius, and 8% of the people think "the dog is just like a guy with a masters degree in physics from M. I. T."

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
15. May I ask:
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:35 PM
Aug 2023

Do you call them out first before blocking them? It would be great if they all knew why they were being cut off. Who knows, maybe one or two will think about their hateful ways.

LuckyCharms

(22,645 posts)
23. Depends.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:53 PM
Aug 2023

The latest one was via a link that someone had emailed me. I just didn't respond to the email and removed him from my contacts.

If done in person, I've said things like "Fuck right out of here with that shit".

Another time in person, I relentlessly embarrassed this guy before telling him to fuck off. This was at a party.

Sometimes I'll just say "Oh, I see".

It's not always racism, sometime it's "The Gay" shit.

Sometimes I'll hear that I'm too sensitive, they were just joking, etc.

No, they weren't joking. Nothing to joke about.

On the whole though, it's usually done online. I've ghosted both friends and relatives over this stuff, and I left Facebook permanently over it years ago.

It's a bad feeling when you realize that half of your cousins are like that.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
40. When they say they're "joking,"
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 12:48 AM
Aug 2023

I ask them what was the setup, and what was the punch line. Because that's the basics of a joke.

No, they weren't making a joke. They were insulting someone, but thinking they could squirm free with that "only a joke" bollocks when they got called out on it.

hay rick

(9,604 posts)
17. Trump is a Rorschach test for decency or the lack thereof.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:41 PM
Aug 2023

I suppose I could be grateful for friends and family being unmasked. I'm not.

The truth is cold comfort.

Warpy

(114,614 posts)
30. I'm afraid my reaction is not so low key as yours
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 07:44 PM
Aug 2023

"Did you really just say that? Yeah? WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?"

If I'm gonna lose another one, s/he is going to know why.

mopinko

(73,723 posts)
45. asking them to explain their 'jokes'
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 01:41 PM
Aug 2023

pretending you just dont get it, can be effective, i’m told.
i know very few asshats to begin w.

Warpy

(114,614 posts)
48. Yeah, if you want to get rid of them permanently
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 02:21 PM
Aug 2023

It makes them think and thinking makes their brains hurt. I use that one in a group, hilarity is had by all but the bigot.

I'm talking about casual bigotry, the use of a few pejoratives that would get me booted off DU.

The Wizard

(13,735 posts)
31. I believe it was Bill Clinton who said
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 07:47 PM
Aug 2023

Bigotry looks bad on everyone. Life is short. Don't waste time with fools. They'll only be a source of trouble.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
33. Consider that my genealogy research consists of nearly 50,000.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 07:48 PM
Aug 2023

I don't have much data about the character of those not living before about 1920.

After that time I have come across a few reports in newspapers. Not that many. Then there are some more recent in court cases which I use primarily to identify divorce dates but there are criminal cases I have identified. Some theft while many more consisting of drugs. They are only a very small part.

Then I learn some things about some from their Facebook page. If they show a specific behavior especially political that is overboard I mark them. That is less than a handful. And not a problem as I never interacted with them.

usonian

(25,300 posts)
35. It would have come out later unless it was "enabled"
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 07:56 PM
Aug 2023

You are being spared grief later on, after years of trusting people who were bottling up racism and resentment.

And you know, just because it's "those people" today, it could be you tomorrow. One is accepting or not.

Stay close to true friends and work for a society where hate is the outlier, not the norm.

I keep reposting this and it remains true:

This is from the epilogue of "Stamped From the Beginning", by Ibram X Kendi.
Emphasis mine:

Protesting against racist power and succeeding can never be mistaken for seizing power. Any effective solution to eradicating American racism must involve Americans committed to antiracist policies seizing and maintaining power over institutions, neighborhoods, counties, states, nations—the world. It makes no sense to sit back and put the future in the hands of people committed to racist policies, or people who regularly sail with the wind of self-interest, toward racism today, toward antiracism tomorrow. An antiracist America can only be guaranteed if principled antiracists are in power, and then antiracist policies become the law of the land, and then antiracist ideas become the common sense of the people, and then the antiracist common sense of the people holds those antiracist leaders and policies accountable.

And that day is sure to come. No power lasts forever. There will come a time when Americans will realize that the only thing wrong with Black people is that they think something is wrong with Black people. There will come a time when racist ideas will no longer obstruct us from seeing the complete and utter abnormality of racial disparities. There will come a time when we will love humanity, when we will gain the courage to fight for an equitable society for our beloved humanity, knowing , intelligently, that when we fight for humanity, we are fighting for ourselves. There will come a time. Maybe, just maybe, that time is now.

PJMcK

(25,048 posts)
36. I hear you
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 08:00 PM
Aug 2023

My experiences mirror yours. There have been maybe 2-3 dozen people I’ve dropped from my life because of their support of Trump. It’s a deal breaker for me.

The only exception has been a couple of cousins and an aunt. Keep the family peace, you know? It’s an unspoken understanding that we don’t discuss politics or religion.

Otherwise, if someone is so misguided that they could support Trump then I have no respect for them. There’s no time in my life for foolish idiots.

Initech

(108,772 posts)
37. What I hate is how mean and nasty people have become.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 08:04 PM
Aug 2023

I was at one of my favorite eateries the other day for happy hour, and I'm sitting at the bar, and these two older women start talking about going to see Sound Of Freedom. Right there was a red flag. But even worse, this older guy who was with them, who was mostly quiet, out of the blue shouts at the top of his lungs "INDIANA JONES IS WOKE GARBAGE! That's why everyone is going to see Sound Of Freedom!!!". Needless to say once the check came, I didn't stay for a second round.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
55. A lot of people that went to "The Sound of Freedom"
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:27 PM
Aug 2023

don’t know about it’s agenda. It doesn’t directly touch on Q-anon themes but the makers and actors are heavily into that conspiracy. My parents are good progressives and liked the movie, for instance. I told them after about it’s agenda but they didn’t detect it.

Maraya1969

(23,495 posts)
41. I've decided my reply to one of them, should they say
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 02:01 AM
Aug 2023

Anything that resembles MAGATS is, “Why do you like to sidle up to tyrants?”

Mad_Machine76

(24,957 posts)
42. Yeah.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 02:03 AM
Aug 2023

We’ve all had to discover some hard truths about friends and loved ones we used to think better of.

sellitman

(11,745 posts)
43. Yep. Did that with an old boss.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 09:35 AM
Aug 2023

He said and I'm paraphrasing : " I love Trump. He takes care of my kind, He has my back as a white person"

That was it.

Banned his sorry ass so fast he didn't know what hit him.

leftstreet

(40,666 posts)
53. +1
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 03:42 PM
Aug 2023

Probably a bit discomfort for people who may have always suspected the racism and misogyny among their acquaintances.

Orrex

(67,108 posts)
56. They always speak as if theirs is the correct default position
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 05:06 PM
Aug 2023

“They should go back to their shithole country,” says the Trumper.

“That’s kind of racist,” says the non-asshole.

“Hey, I’m just talking here,” fumes the Trumper. “Why you gotta make it all political?”

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