John Dean: "Rudy is going to get destroyed"

[struggle4progress]

BY SARAH FORTINSKY - 08/17/23 10:12 AM ET

John Dean, the White House counsel to former President Nixon, predicted a grim fate for ... Giuliani ... “I think Rudy is going to get destroyed by this. It’s sad but true” ...

“I think he’s in deep trouble. The government’s case looks like it’s overwhelming. His federal issues have not been resolved. Trump could not pardon him in Georgia if, indeed, he is convicted in Georgia,” Dean said.

But he added, “I don’t think Trump is going to make it back to the White House. I think people are starting to get a glimmer of what that could be, and they don’t want it” ...

Dean predicted that a likely outcome for Giuliani, who now faces legal troubles on a vast scale, is to file for bankruptcy and get a court-appointed lawyer to represent him ...

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4156688-john-dean-on-giuliani-in-georgia-indictment-rudy-is-going-to-get-destroyed-by-this/

[Solly Mack]

1. I don't feel sorry for him. He destroyed himself.

[kentuck]

2. He was the only one capable of lying more than Trump.

An unashamed liar.

[John1956PA]

3. Rudy "The problem is we need some money" Giuliani was ubiquitous.

Last edited Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Rudy was frequently on television during 45's term. He waived a cell phone claiming it held evidence incriminating Hunter Biden regarding Ukraine. He went on Faux and acted in a chldish and hyperactive manner (he rolled sideways on the couch and assumed a near fetal position) and he breathless exclaimed he would be back on at noon with smoking gun evidence against Hunter (he never showed back uo that day). He made news when he butt dialed an NBC reporter and inadvertently allowed to be recorded on the reporter's voice mail portions of a conversation he was having with an unidentified male to whom he states, "The problem is we need some money." He went in to indicate the amount was a few hundred thousand dollars. The district attorney has evidence of many more actions of his. John Dean may be correct in his assessment of Giuliani's future.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rudy-giuliani-butt-dials-nbc-reporter-heard-discussing-need-cash-n1071901

[ShazzieB]

24. I got "page not found" when I clicked the link.

I then did some digging and found this:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rudy-giuliani-butt-dials-nbc-reporter-heard-discussing-need-cash-n1071901

Both links look identical to me, but one works for me and one doesn't.

[John1956PA]

27. Fixed it. I had a period at the end of the link. The period fouled it up.

Thanks for notifying me. In the future, I will make sure that any links which I post are working.

[Midnight Writer]

4. Giuliani begged the Devil to buy his soul. He knew exactly what he was doing.

I don't think we know half of what he did to undermine our government.

[Dulcinea]

31. If anyone flips it'll be him.

He's 79 years old. I doubt he wants to die in prison.

[2naSalit]

5. Oh well.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

6. Well bye, maybe he can get a ride outta town on the Kraken

[Sky Jewels]

7. But ... but .. whadaboud 9/11!!!

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[Emile]

10. He was a phony then too.

[Sky Jewels]

12. Definitely.

I think part of the reason he was able to ride that train for so long was that in comparison to Dubya, who was skittering around the country like a scared squirrel that day, Giuliani seemed like a semi-rational "leader" in a couple of soundbites.

[orangecrush]

22. + 911

[clementine613]

29. What about it? 3000 people died on his watch that day and he did NOTHING to try to prevent it.

n/t

[Sky Jewels]

43. Oh, but he was such a Strong Inspirational Leader!!!

[wnylib]

8. Rudy is going to get destroyed?

He's already such a wreck that how could you tell the difference between before and after?

[jcgoldie]

14. easy... the 'after' Rudy...

...lives in jail.

[getagrip_already]

9. looks like his days of thinkng he owns other peoples bodies are over.....

he is a sick disgusting pervert in addition to being a crime spree. Time to put on the last suit he will ever need.

[ffr]

11. Come on! That happened a LONNNNNNNG time ago. He's a Russian asset too!

Just like all of them are.

Rudy is just surviving at this point regardless of whether he's playing with his ding-dong at the moment or not.

[Sky Jewels]

13. No, see, he was just feeling around to see

if he'd stashed any cash in his pants that he could pay his legal bills with.

[LuckyCharms]

39. This is kind of gross...

but I was confused about what Rudy was doing there, and I had a discussion about it with a friend of mine.

He said "think about it for a minute".

I said I have thought about it. What the hell was he doing?

Friend said "Adjusting himself for the 'big reveal'. We all do it".

I said "Well, maybe YOU do it, but..."

[Sky Jewels]

42. Ha ha! and also ...

... eeeeewwww!

Rudy is so disgusting!

[Jarqui]

15. "Truth isn't truth" Rudy isn't the Rudy many thought he was. ..nt

[William769]

16. K&R.

[onecaliberal]

17. Good. FAFO

[Leith]

18. Somehow

I can't muster up even the tiniest amount of sympathy for any of them. They're all criminals and they brought their comeuppance on themselves.

[Brainfodder]

44. Well said and Rudy will likely get the Whitey Bulger treatment in prison.

He probably knows it and if he suddenly croaked SOONish with no explanation, makes sense, a lot of sense!

I don't miss him already.

[lindysalsagal]

19. Ha! A court appointed lawyer! That's for druggies and petty theft

Where is the gqp? Shouldn't they support the architect of the insurrection?

[Cha]

20. No sad. TY

[Wednesdays]

21. Lord, how far they have fallen.

Rudy's term as mayor expired December 31, 2001. He could have retired, rode off into the sunset, forever known as "America's Mayor." Perhaps making a routine speech or two at Republican conventions, but little else. Just as TFG could have just kept on as a landlord: corrupt, but just out of reach of the law.

But no. Like a Shakespearean tragedy, they both were consumed by greed and lust for power, and now flames are engulfing them both, and they will go down as among the most infamous in all of history.

[MontanaMama]

23. Rudy has been a train wreck for a long time.

None of this will end well for him.

[LiberalFighter]

25. I look forward to him getting squashed like a bug.

[Thunderbeast]

26. Rudy's best future lies in a plea deal.

He admits to everything...including his treason with the Ukrainian oligarchs and Putin stooges. He names names.

He testifies against everybody in ALL pending cases.

He gets to live in a cushy prison for twenty years or his mortal demise...whichever comes first. He eats prison food, has limited and monitored communications, and gets a "ginger mint" every night for dessert.

It is the best he can hope for. He should take the deal. Any assets he owns are forfeited in the civil case to Shea Maus and Ruby Freeman.

[KentuckyWoman]

30. I will have a particular satisfaction in seeing him get his due justice.

That pus stole heavily from the generosity of people wanting to help immediately after 9/11. He has grifted for 2 decades off it. Whatever hell awaits him, it won't be harsh enough.

[Chainfire]

32. Rudy has already destroyed his legacy and himself. His body just hasn't realized it yet.

Hero to joke in a few short years. How do you face that at end of life?

[Caliman73]

33. I have more sympathy for the "street tough" who gets in trouble ...

The gang member that comes from a poor background who turns to crime to meet a subsistence need.

Men like Guliani and Trump want POWER. Sure, they are also broken people. There are voids in their psyches, but they have money. Go to Fucking Therapy, don't take all of your psychological problems out on society.

[mcar]

34. I love this for him

[Jarqui]

35. Beyond his finances getting decimated

Imagine when his case comes up in DC or GA and they start to bring this stuff up that documents his lying and deceitful conduct:

The D.C. Bar’s Dry Takedown of Rudy Giuliani Is Brutal
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/07/dc-bar-rudy-giuliani-takedown-disbarment.html#:~:text=On%20Friday%2C%20a%20three%2Dmember,Trump%20following%20the%202020%20election

Giuliani suspended from New York bar
Court ruling cites the former mayor’s “false and misleading” statements on behalf of Trump about 2020 election.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/24/giuliani-new-york-bar-suspension-496001

Supreme Court of the State of New York Court decision
https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad1/calendar/List_Word/2021/06_Jun/24/PDF/Matter%20of%20Giuliani%20(2021-00506)%20PC.pdf
Rudy had 20 days to submit a request, in writing, to this Court for a post suspension hearing. I don't think he did it. So the above, coming from a court decision is basically undisputable fact in the Jan 6 and GA cases.

Also, he may have violated the bottom of their order "that respondent is forbidden to give another an opinion as to the law or its application or advice in relation thereto, all effective the date hereof, until such time as disciplinary matters pending before the Committee have been concluded and until further order of this Court,"
He delivered quite a rant about RICO, said he knew more about RICO than anyone and alleged Fani's misuse of it. Maybe I'm nitpicking here ..

Giuliani Concedes He Made False Statements About Georgia Election Workers
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/26/us/politics/giuliani-georgia-election-workers.html
Again, that is in court and indisputable now.

Beyond the good quality indictments in DC & GA, he has the above and what is happening to the other lawyers he worked with to combat.

His legal situation is approaching his financial situation. Deep trouble.

[whopis01]

36. "Rudy is going to get destroyed by this. It's sad but true"

It is not sad in the slightest way.

What is sad is that someone with all the wealth, power, and success that Giuliani had would commit the crimes thT he did.

Bringing him to justice is not sad in the slightest.

[Mike Nelson]

37. Well...

... good. I'm happy that he will get a court-appointed lawyer... hope he adapts to prison life and lives long... and stays healthy.

[Snooper9]

38. I think die drip needs to find a lawyer who can say a noun/verb/& 911

LOL

[Stinky The Clown]

40. Flip, Rudy, Flip!

[Hekate]

41. Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy, except Trump