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Stardust Mirror

(685 posts)
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 03:49 PM Aug 2023

Why should Willis or Smith need any of them to flip?

Seems to me that Fani Willis and Jack Smith have airtight cases already, what could "flippers" even offer them?

Plus I'd like to see all mofos get some serious consequences.

But I'd like to hear what you think, please.

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Why should Willis or Smith need any of them to flip? (Original Post) Stardust Mirror Aug 2023 OP
They don't have airtight cases. former9thward Aug 2023 #1
don't they already have witnesses and other evidence? Stardust Mirror Aug 2023 #2
I think flipping time is over and WhiteTara Aug 2023 #3
thanks for the reply and the welcome Stardust Mirror Aug 2023 #5
We're happy you're here too. WhiteTara Aug 2023 #6
Almost all federal cases result in a guilty verdict. Elessar Zappa Aug 2023 #4
That is a statistic which does not mean much. former9thward Aug 2023 #7
I'll put money on Trump getting convicted. Elessar Zappa Aug 2023 #8
Of what? former9thward Aug 2023 #10
"only prosecute slam dunk cases" Stardust Mirror Aug 2023 #13
You really think this case was the type the DOJ usually sees? former9thward Aug 2023 #14
I think Smith has the co conspirators dead to rights and is just going cachukis Aug 2023 #9
good points Stardust Mirror Aug 2023 #12
One MAGA on a jury. Locutusofborg Aug 2023 #11
Streamline the process, get the small fry out of the way gratuitous Aug 2023 #15
more good points Stardust Mirror Aug 2023 #19
A slam-dunk case in court needs a slam-dunk jury. Chainfire Aug 2023 #16
The can offer evidence of other crimes or people that are involved with crime chowder66 Aug 2023 #17
For instance; it would be great if someone had some serious dirt on Kushner's deals. chowder66 Aug 2023 #18

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
1. They don't have airtight cases.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 03:52 PM
Aug 2023

They have cases. Cases need evidence. Evidence far beyond what is accepted on this site. And they need witnesses.

Stardust Mirror

(685 posts)
2. don't they already have witnesses and other evidence?
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 03:57 PM
Aug 2023

Thanks for your reply.

The indictments led me to believe the prosecutors have massive evidence and multiple strong witnesses.

But I'm wrong all the time!

WhiteTara

(31,260 posts)
3. I think flipping time is over and
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:12 PM
Aug 2023

now they are negotiating their prison sentences. Maybe a bit more of this or that or to pull in a big traitor might get them some good time off type thing.

Welcome to DU!

Stardust Mirror

(685 posts)
5. thanks for the reply and the welcome
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:18 PM
Aug 2023

been here for awhile but just started posting cuz I find many opinions here that are helpful and I gotta lotta questions

WhiteTara

(31,260 posts)
6. We're happy you're here too.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:22 PM
Aug 2023

This has been my "home" for the past 23 years and I'm not sure how it would go if I didn't have DU.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
4. Almost all federal cases result in a guilty verdict.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:14 PM
Aug 2023

Something like 95% or maybe even higher. Most don’t even go to trial, they make plea deals. So I’d reckon they have a pretty solid case.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
7. That is a statistic which does not mean much.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:27 PM
Aug 2023

They don't go to trial because the defendant has no lawyer or a federal defender who is just as interested in getting a plea deal as the prosecutor. And more importantly most criminal referrals to the DOJ are never prosecuted. It is easy to get a win statistic when you only prosecute slam dunk cases. Only about 37% of criminal referrals (of the type of Trump case) to the DOJ are prosecuted.

https://trac.syr.edu/reports/708/

cachukis

(3,933 posts)
9. I think Smith has the co conspirators dead to rights and is just going
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:30 PM
Aug 2023

to focus on trump for expedience. The rest will be swept into the trash bin to warn that signing on to a conspiracy will take you out of a peaceful world.
Willis is painting a panorama and the conspirators who plead and try to tidy up their lives makes her job more focused on the biggies. She can refer to the guilt as a reference point.

Trump's drawers are perpetually drenched from now on. His urologist won't need a sample, all he'll have to do is wring his pants.

Locutusofborg

(580 posts)
11. One MAGA on a jury.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:31 PM
Aug 2023

Can cause a mistrial, allow Trump to be elected and possibly delay a retrial for four years.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. Streamline the process, get the small fry out of the way
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:59 PM
Aug 2023

Concentrate the prosecution on the big fish without getting bogged down on the folks charged with lesser offenses.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
16. A slam-dunk case in court needs a slam-dunk jury.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 06:02 PM
Aug 2023

I don't know how you find one of them. In the end, Trump too will plead out for he can't afford to be judged by a jury of citizens. In the end he will take a deal, admitting his sins, to avoid prison. I know, I just checked my crystal balls.

chowder66

(12,240 posts)
17. The can offer evidence of other crimes or people that are involved with crime
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 06:07 PM
Aug 2023

that may or may not be related to the case.

chowder66

(12,240 posts)
18. For instance; it would be great if someone had some serious dirt on Kushner's deals.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 06:08 PM
Aug 2023

Or any of the Trump kids.

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