The most incredible animal photo I've ever seen

[jsmirman]

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(or pretty darn close to it).

FOR THOSE WHO ASKED -

They are in CLEWISTON, FLORIDA

Their official rescue page is here: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=537803389581356&set=t.536968710&type=3&theater

Please, I beg of you DUers, I need your help.

Here is the amazing photo of Luke and Leia, two pits who need help in the worst way:

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I think this is one of the sweetest expressions of emotion and love between animals that I've ever seen.

And right now, they are doomed.

1) If anyone knows an effective pit rescue who can step in and save this amazing couple, please, let us know.

2) Just by sharing this photo around the web, it will help us build support for saving these two lovebirds.

3) Does anyone know how to get this on reddit or 4chan? I think this is a really significant animal photo and I think it could go viral.

Is anyone else as moved by this photo as I am? I think it's just amazing.

Right now, their story is heartbreaking. We have a small window in which we could make this into a story with a happy ending.

[Vinnie From Indy]

1. The chocolate one looking straight at the camera

looks pissed off to me.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

5. Pissed?

I think he looks sad...I wish I could take them both....

[jsmirman]

16. He is actually protective of his girl, but that's it

the two of them are so in love.

[demhottie]

144. How cute and if you accidentally bump into her

You'll a limb or your life. That dog has the eyes of a killer.

Are we looking at the same picture???

[Politicalboi]

176. I agree

I worry for the female in the cage with him.

[jsmirman]

187. He's protective of his pregnant mate. Remind you of any other species?

Would you please just give it a rest?



And the male dog actually never had a single aggression incident in all the time before he went into animal control.

We get it. You're scared of pit bulls and you think they're scary.

Also, don't forget to check under the bed tonight.

[DollarBillHines]

2. Where are these dogs? nt

[jsmirman]

10. They are in Clewiston, Florida - and here is their official rescue page

(I'm not crazy about the description, and I'll try to write a better one for here - I'm just exhausted as my adopted/fostered (we will see) dog just arrived today, and I'm working on too much at once)

Official Rescue Page:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=537803389581356&set=t.536968710&type=3&theater

[ceile]

14. went to the page- seems there's some interest

keep us posted.

[jsmirman]

17. I see what you see too - but my fear

I don't know that Jessica there is for real.

It's very odd that she's saying she talked to Kathy, etc.

I just talked to Kathy an hour ago - honestly, I think the situation is still desperate/urgent.

They would have been killed today if I hadn't managed to beg more time...

I will definitely let you all know if anything changes, though.

[avebury]

3. If you want this story to be shared in order to get help

for these dogs you need to post where they are located and their story.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

4. Flvegan --

over in the Vegetarian/Vegans group does pit rescue -- he's your best resource. I'll post this thread there.

[jsmirman]

7. Thank you so much

[jsmirman]

18. Sent flvegan a DU mail

we've corresponded in the past, so I hope to hear from him.

[flvegan]

38. Hey there.

I just got home, but let me send a few e-mails (too late for any calls at this point). How much longer do they have? The original post says Wednesday. Obviously if they're still there, it wasn't Wednesday as in yesterday.

I'm going to admit, he's a serious alpha according to a couple posts on that FB thread, if they've got a strong connection and she's pregnant...that, my friend, is a tough one.

But, I do hope I can help somehow. Hendry County isn't exactly my part of the state.

[jsmirman]

77. There is no doubt this is not an easy one...

I bought them extra time - it's not clear to me how much, but I think at least a few days.

It probably has to be a rescue group to save them, but we're holding out hope. Anything you can do or try to do would be awesome.

Thanks so much.

[flvegan]

90. I'm on it, and thank you.

*hat tip* to you for looking out.

[jsmirman]

131. Thank you for being you

seriously.

[RebelOne]

23. And he also lives in Florida. Hope he can help. n/t

[jsmirman]

25. Definitely - he's a great candidate

I guess it's just the animal person in me, but I think that is one of the sweetest things I've ever seen captured on film.

[Michigan Alum]

89. Is there no animal/wildlife group for DU?

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Would love it if there was. I have a stray kitty who I would love to find a home for.

[jsmirman]

132. Someone might want to put something together - we do

tend to do alright in GD, but we don't want to overrun GD...

It's a good question. There's a Pets group with some traffic, but nothing like the traffic here.

Others' thoughts and opinions would be valuable.

Oh, and GO BLUE.

[Michigan Alum]

135. Thanks! That post would prob would get better coverage here, you're right.

Kind of an emergency type thing since they are on "death row."

[jsmirman]

139. Yes, in emergencies, we just have to try to reach the traffic

[ceile]

6. where are they? n/t

[OneGrassRoot]

8. I'm echoing the same question: Where are these precious babies located?

Soooooooo sweet!

Wish I was part of the reddit community. But I can spread it as best I can once I know where they are and more of the story.

[Doremus]

9. More info! Where - what - when - who - why - how

A link would help us immeasurably. Thanks.

[jsmirman]

21. Do you have what you need from my posts in the thread now?

Please let me know.

[jsmirman]

11. Here is the link for those who asked (they are in Clewiston, Florida)

Like I said, not crazy about the description that was written up for them, but it's basically the sweetest story.

These two (Luke and Leia) have an incredible bond. And they need a save in the worst way.

Official rescue page: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=537803389581356&set=t.536968710&type=3&theater

[OneGrassRoot]

12. Okay, thanks. Sharing! n/t

[jsmirman]

19. Thank you, OGR!!!

[TrogL]

13. I know better places to make it go viral

In progress.

[jsmirman]

15. You are a gift

from the heavens - thank you!

[demhottie]

20. I can't believe we're looking at the same picture

Good luck. I hope they are rescued by someone who knows how to handle them and keeps them away from small children.

[baldguy]

48. How long have you had this unreasonable & irrational hatred of dogs?

[PABigDaddyDemocrat]

58. HOLD ON PARD...

Let's not jump to conclusions. demhottie made no indication that she hated anything in her post.

RATHER, you, like so many other Pit bull-apologists interpret her assessment of the OP's hyperbolic original post as an unreasonable & irrational hatred of dogs.

Methinks thou doth protest too much without any reason.

For my 2 cents, the one looking at the camera looks mean. The other looks submissive...period. There is all kinds of room for interpretation, but assailing another member for an innocuous comment is ridiculous.

[flvegan]

118. "pit bull apologists" says you don't know shit.

You quantified it.

[PABigDaddyDemocrat]

180. I'm sorry...

We are looking at a picture of two Pit Bulls, a member registered her opinion, and you began casting aspersions.
In my book that makes you an apologist.
Quantify, indemnify, defy, clarify or up-chuck and die...it doesn't matter.

We shall certainly not agree but I won't be called an ignorant.

[Brickbat]

95. I see one dog trying to gnaw on the other, just like my collie tries to do to my hound.

They generally don't like each other.

[jsmirman]

133. No. That is not what is happening. I know someone who knows the two dogs well

flvegan is not wrong about the boy being an alpha who is protective of his pregnant partner around other males, but the two are legitimately bonded. They are super close.

[truebluegreen]

53. Do you know what they call pit bulls in Britain?

Nanny dogs, because they are great with children.

There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

[PABigDaddyDemocrat]

61. wrong

There are plenty of viscious dogs. They are wild dogs that roam every country on earth. It is in the nature of the canine to kill for survival.

It has only been through prolonged contact that SOME dogs have been persuaded to not kill human beings. Even the milder breeds are not to be trusted around small children EVER.

Nanny Dogs or not, those powerful jaws and sharp teeth are driven by millions of years of instinct and not by a mere hundred thousand years or so of domestication.

In addition, bad dog owners...(or trainers or fighters, whatever) create bad dogs. Dogs who are emotionally incapable of acceptable behavior are "bad dogs." Anyone who rescues them knows this and knows that they are rolling the dice AT BEST when they try to care for them.

A person who would adopt these animals would be foolish to do so if they intended to keep them around children. If they are adults it is their choice to take the risk.

[BlueMan Votes]

87. actually- dogs are more scavenger than predator.

http://www.4pawsu.com/k9myths.html

MYTH #1: DOGS ARE PACK ANIMALS

Original beliefs about dogs as pack animals was based on their descendance from wolves. However, recent observations of free-roaming dog populations throughout the world have revealed that dogs are more scavengers than predators, and therefore live much more solitary lives than wolves. After all, it does not benefit a scavenger to share small amounts of food with a large group of other animals.

Dogs are social animals and will gather in groups (generally around available food sources such as garbage dumps), however, the groups are loosely structured with animals joining and leaving randomly and frequently, a trait not found in wolf packs.

It is because of their social nature that domestic dogs fit so well into our families. However, all evidence indicates that dogs are not, in fact, pack animals.

[flvegan]

91. Laughable.

Sorry, but I have nothing else to say about your post.

Your spelling and vocabulary is as pathetic as your belief.

[PABigDaddyDemocrat]

181. nothing else to say

...except that my spelling and vocabulary are as pathetic as my belief.
Just wanted to clarify there.
Was THAT all, or were you going to contradict yourself immediately AGAIN?

[flvegan]

198. Good for you.

[roguevalley]

102. dogs have been with us for hundreds of thousands of years and some scholars believe

we learned to become groups because of them. I have had pits and dobies around children since forever. There are good dogs and there are bad owners. I would take them both if I could. Risk? I don't see it myself but that's just me.

[jsmirman]

134. Thank you for the perspective

I tend to fall on that side, too. I've just been around too many lovely, well-adjusted pits.

[truebluegreen]

147. Wrong.

Trying to equate wild dogs with domestic? Sorry, not the same thing.

And saying that bad dog owners / trainer / fighters or whatever CREATE bad dogs is EXACTLY my point. Bad OWNERS.

And then there is this:

http://www.ywgrossman.com/photoblog/?p=676

[evilhime]

64. thank you!

We also used to call them the nation's nannies in this country . . .

[demhottie]

76. I lived in England and pit bulls are banned there

"Nanny dogs"? Whatever. Stop making things up. They're banned in England. Old dogs from before the ban have to be muzzled in public.

[flvegan]

92. Because idiots are applauded in England.

Congratulations!

[demhottie]

143. Someone said they were called "nanny dogs"

in England. As if they were considered beloved pets. This is completely untrue. They are rightly banned as a hazard and a danger to the public.

[truebluegreen]

148. See link above.

Bad owners, not bad dogs.

[RebelOne]

154. Yes, but if you go onto the Daily Mail,

you will read about pit bull attacks all the time.

[XemaSab]

185. And how is that not blaming the victim?

[crunch60]

112. And you are assuming these dogs wouldn't be good around children? Any

dog coming into a new home/environment needs rehabilitation/assessment by an experienced dog trainer, perhaps like Cesar Millan, the best in the business and owner of some amazing Pits. Check out his site before you make these kind of remarks.

http://www.cesarsway.com/channel/dog-rescue

[Brickbat]

22. "Lovebirds," indeed -- the one is pregnant.

That's a big chore to take on. I don't see what you see in this photo, but maybe someone can help out.

[HopeHoops]

24. Where the fuck are they? Which shelter?

[jsmirman]

26. It's in the thread (I'll add it to the OP)

but as I said in thread:

Here is the link for those who asked (they are in Clewiston, Florida)

Like I said, not crazy about the description that was written up for them, but it's basically the sweetest story.

These two (Luke and Leia) have an incredible bond. And they need a save in the worst way.

Official rescue page: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=537803389581356&set=t.536968710&type=3&theater

[HopeHoops]

30. That's a little far away for me and my wife would kill me if I adopted them.

I'm serious. She's a 3rd degree black belt and well trained in weapons. She'd kill me.

[jsmirman]

32. Oh, I understand. It's going to take a specific kind of placement

getting them notice here and anywhere else is a key first step, though.

[jsmirman]

28. Is the OP satisfactory for you now?

Oh, DU. Not always an easy crowd.




Let me know if you think anything else needs to be in the OP.

I've got my hands full today....

[Liberal_in_LA]

27. aw...sweeties

[BlueMan Votes]

29. you don't see too many animal photos, do you...?

if that's the most 'incredible' one you've ever seen.

[JanMichael]

33. cold

what a cold reply to this poster's desire to save these dogs.

[RebelOne]

34. I gotta agree. n/t

[BlueMan Votes]

37. the reply wasn't about their desire to save the dogs.

based on the title of the op- i expected to see an actually incredible animal photo.
and needless to say- i didn't.

[jsmirman]

55. Okay, I am going to respond to this before I walk my foster

I'm sorry I didn't give you a picture of an elephant kissing a fucking cockatoo.

The affection that Leia is giving Luke - the joy and love shown on her blissful face - to me that is one of the most beautiful photos I've ever seen.

If it doesn't move you, that's you.

The idea that such a beautiful couple could have their love and their lives cut short is very hard for me to take.

[Panasonic]

60. Wish I could rescue them

but I live in Colorado.

[jsmirman]

79. Thanks, Panasonic

thanks for caring about them.

[BlueMan Votes]

69. i have two dogs- so that type of scene is fairly common around here.

If you want to see TRULY incredible animal photos, go here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233048/Almost-human-Photographers-intimate-studio-portraits-wild-creatures-making-unnervingly-similar-gestures-us.html#ixzz2CFZ9ncRP

or here:

http://littlefriendsphoto.blogspot.com/

[jsmirman]

78. In all honesty

I find the photo you posted interesting, but not all that moving.

The expression of love between living creatures is what moves me.

[BlueMan Votes]

105. i didn't say 'moving', i said 'incredible'. and so did you.

if you meant 'moving' perhaps that's the term you should have used in the first place.

[flvegan]

128. You also said 6 million folks should kill themselves. Remember that?

Semantics are fun.

[snooper2]

166. I have to agree....

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[jsmirman]

184. That's not love - that's the expression of older man and batshit crazy

most likely.

[narnian60]

56. Then just be quiet if you can't help.

[BlueMan Votes]

63. sorry- no can do.

btw i have two dogs- one of them a rescue.
and three cats- all rescues.

[Chemisse]

70. So rather than keep it to yourself and move on, you opted to strike a negative tone in the thread.

What's that old saying, "If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all."

[BlueMan Votes]

72. if everyone posted by the caveat you suggest- DU would be a pretty lean message board.

[narnian60]

75. Politics is different from animal issues.

[BlueMan Votes]

81. try telling that to PETA.

[flvegan]

93. Troll. n/t

[BlueMan Votes]

96. Moron. n/t

[flvegan]

98. Shouldn't you be advocating suicide somewhere? Zombie.

[flvegan]

99. And so I'm not being vague

it IS what you did. Go ahead clown shoes.

[flvegan]

100. Come on, which one are you?

I can pick from 4. Or if you're new, congrats on being the new idiot in town.

[BlueMan Votes]

111. wow. the resident stalker. i guess i should be flattered with all the attention.

[flvegan]

113. Can't beat me, call me names. Thanks.

You lose.

[BlueMan Votes]

115. you kind of started the whole name-calling thing... I guess i should have said resident hypocrite?

[flvegan]

116. Do tell, please, oh ye of the extermination of almost 6 million people. In America.

[BlueMan Votes]

120. i'm not sure what the response is supposed to be to incoherent ramblings...

but then- you probably hear that a lot.

a LOT.

[flvegan]

121. No, I stay on point.

What say you, trol...uh, nothing. Come on, show up. Don't just profess stupid and give us talking points?

BTW, what you think it is...isn't. I hope stupid isn't hereditary.

[BlueMan Votes]

123. and the ramblings become even more incoherent...

But don't worry- stupidity is NOT hereditary...your kids should be fine (as long as they aren't home schooled).

[flvegan]

124. Yeah, you're not sure.

Comes with the territory of idiots. Congrats!!

[BlueMan Votes]

126. that's okay- you can keep your territory. i don't think it would suit me.

[flvegan]

127. Bowing out. Good for you.

[BlueMan Votes]

129. i guess that the only proper response would have to be...

[BlueMan Votes]

101. make up your small mind- which is it, Troll or Zombie? or maybe a Zombie Troll?

Moron.

[flvegan]

104. 6 of one, half dozen of another *nonanswer* LOL

Come on, troll...zombie. More suicides, maybe more your speed.

[LanternWaste]

169. I imagine we all rationalize our lack of civility one way or another...

I imagine we all rationalize our lack of civility one way or another...

[BlueMan Votes]

170. that's something that really bears repeating...

but I see that you're already on that.

carry on.

[Chan790]

199. Lean but pleasant. n/t

[Chemisse]

201. That is true.

And in retrospect, your comment wasn't all that mean.

[Divine Discontent]

193. yeah, Chemisse, it's beyond just being a little negative. he's full on nasty imho.

[flvegan]

40. Consider the source.

Same poster who earlier wished every single member of a certain particular party would kill themselves so that elections would be easier.

Real noble shit, that.

[jsmirman]

41. Not going to fight anyone in this thread

but considering what percentage of what I do is taken up with animal stuff, it's hard to know where to begin with an answer...

[roguevalley]

106. do what you do honey and don't let the trolls bother you. If you can't find compassion

for animals in my book something is missing in you. Hugs.

[jsmirman]

136. Thanks

if you noticed, though, I couldn't resist a "fucking cockatoo" before bowing out to walk my rescue, lol.

Could not agree more with your last full sentence. Hugs back.

[roguevalley]

103. eye of beholder. jeez. everyone needs to relax.

[datasuspect]

149. i know, right?

i thought it might be a whale or something that inspires awe.

[liberaldiva]

31. Awwww!!!

Luke and Leia.... may the force be with them!

[RebelOne]

35. Sure wish I could take them. I love pits.

I have owned 2 of them. But now I live in a mobile home park that does not allow pit bulls. I did have 2 Rottweilers that died before the park passed the ban that no Rottweilers, pit bulls, Dobermans or any other dog classified as dangerous were not allowed.

[jsmirman]

45. It's pretty frustrating that they get such a bum deal

and like I said, there's so much idiotic pit breeding going on, that the situation is so rough.

I know some people here are never going to like pits, and I'm not going to say I've never met a pit I was scared of, but well-raised/cared-for pits are as sweet as they come. We just got this one adopted today who is the most loving little guy ever. He *finally* has a great home. It was one of those big wins.

[TuxedoKat]

36. They are so sweet

I sure hope they get adopted.

[jsmirman]

46. Thank you so much

so do I, so do I...

[TuxedoKat]

49. I remember

you from another animal rescue post. You helped the two kitties get to their new adoptive home. Well, I would be happy to help contribute to the new owners, as they will have vet bills, etc. Praying for them and God bless you for helping animals.

[jsmirman]

80. That was indeed me

that is so kind of you - I will let you know if we get somewhere successful and where things stand.

Thank you!

[MineralMan]

39. My insurance company would cancel our homeowner's insurance

if I brought one of those dogs home. My wife volunteers at the local humane society. We'll be getting a lab before long.

[jsmirman]

43. I don't want to open up a

pit vs. non-pit thing here, but I really think they get a bad rap and it's all about what kind of owner they have.

And what really sucks is that the situation is compounded by idiots breeding pits. Basically, bad pit owners - I'll just say they make me very upset.

I just brought in a lab/retriever in as a foster/possible adoption (she probably had a day or two left, tops). I'm definitely keeping her, at minimum, until she has a great home. I just don't know if she and my cat will get along long-term or not.

[RebelOne]

157. That is a big problem.

Homeowner's insurance canceling because people owning dangerous dogs such as pit bulls, Rottweilers, Dobermans and other dogs considered dangerous. I have insurance on my mobile home and at the time I got it, I had a Rottweiler. She has since gone to doggie heaven. But I never told my insurance company about her because she looked like a dangerous dog but was far from it.

[InsultComicDog]

42. asdf

[jsmirman]

44. Now that

would be the ideal result for my cat and my new foster/adoption!

[michigandem58]

47. Pit Bulls are dangerous animals

While it is true any dog can potentially snap and attack, pit bulls are more likely to do so and the consequences can be fatal. I'd think again.

[baldguy]

50. Your post is proof that DU isn't immune from stupidity.

You don't even try, do you?

[michigandem58]

57. These are the facts

Pictured are the two most deadly dog breeds in America: pit bull terriers and rottweilers. Research from DogsBite.org shows that during the 7-year period from 2005 to 2011, these two breeds accounted for 74% of the total recorded fatal attacks.1 By compiling U.S. and Canadian press accounts between 1982 and 2011, a report by Animal People shows that pit bulls (215) and rottweilers (81) and their mixes accounted for 64% of the total recorded fatal attacks (466).2

It is important to point out that fatal dog attacks committed by pit bulls and their mixes more than doubles the attacks inflicted by rottweilers. It is well documented by experts3 and humane groups4 that pit bulls pose a substantial danger due to their selective breeding for dogfighting. Unlike other dog breeds, pit bulls frequently fail to communicate intention prior to an attack (surprise attacks); possess a lethal bite style (hold and shake) and a ruinous manner of attack (gameness).

http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs.php

[baldguy]

74. Like I said - stupidity.

[roguevalley]

107. Yawn. If you don't train any dog, you get trouble. Read the stats on small dogs

[Michigan Alum]

117. One of my neighbors has a yorkie who has bitten 5 people. I blame the woman - who is mean....

The dog is really cute and I adore him he's never bitten me.

[michigandem58]

141. Anybody maimed or dead?

That's part of the problem. When a pitbull attacks, it does far more damage than other breeds.

[adigal]

172. My brothers golden retriever bit the crap out of my son

My son was 12, raised with big dogs, we hd a lab and a Dane. Dog wanted his hamburger, bit his hand, then his back when he jumped up. I hate inbred goldens.

[flvegan]

110. LOL!!! "facts" get real convenient sometimes.

Laughable, absolutely and shamefully laughable.

[XemaSab]

183. Here's what the CDC has to say about it:

http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

[baldguy]

195. Ah, yes. The infamous CDC "study".

That has been debunked, refuted & withdrawn, because the methodology used was... well, to say it was flawed would be generous. Full of shit is more accurate.

"Human (Dog Bite-Related Fatalities) were identified by searching news accounts and by use of The Humane Society of the United States’ registry databank."

Except that news accounts have been proven to be massively & wildly inaccurate when it comes to breed identification (any animal with four legs & a tail which injures a person is described as a "Pit Bull&quot , and The Humane Society doesn't maintain such records as described.

And the linking page to this study debunks it too: "A CDC study on fatal dog bites lists the breeds involved in fatal attacks over 20 years. It does not identify specific breeds that are most likely to bite or kill, and thus is not appropriate for policy-making decisions related to the topic. Each year, 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs. These bites result in approximately 16 fatalities; about 0.0002 percent of the total number of people bitten. These relatively few fatalities offer the only available information about breeds involved in dog bites. There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill."

http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Dog-Bites/dogbite-factsheet.html

[PABigDaddyDemocrat]

68. baldguy

you are trouble, aren't you?

At first blush you seem like one of those humans that prefers the company of animals to other people.

Now I am a dog lover but even I refuse to believe that ALL dogs are safe and happy as long as they are around someone who genuinely cares about them. Dogs are not psychic, nor are they reasonable and intuitive to the level of human beings.

Have you never watched the news?

Without getting too deeply into the argument over the dogs, you should curb your desire to open a discussion with someone by beginning with "you're stupid" or " you're unreasonable and irrational."

It makes you look like the one who's the problem.

[flvegan]

97. I'm trouble. Nice quantifier.

A love a media apologist. Nice work.

[roguevalley]

108. I watch Cesar Milan. He never has less than 50 abused and 'bad'

dogs. I used his techniques on my five dachshunds and cut the anihilating dog fights down from five to zero a day. no bad dogs. bad owners.

[NoGOPZone]

51. .

[PeaceNikki]

52. bullshit

[truebluegreen]

54. What Nikki said.

[InsultComicDog]

66. They're great dogs

people fuck them up

[evilhime]

73. I think you need to

do more research, and not only listen to hype! Pits are equipped no more than any other dog for harm - they prefer to hang out and relax all day with their people. Sadly people have turned their aggression on the dogs and made them into what they are not by nature in most cases. Check out http://atts.org/breed-statistics/ and look at the American Pit Bull Terrier - Another good site is: http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2011/aug/03/elaine-boyer/are-pit-bulls-more-aggressive-other-dogs/

I have a pit mix now who is a darling and has bonded with our whippet mix; I had a lab mix that was very dog aggressive, and I had an airedale who could go either way but never bit a human. On the other hand my son took 76 stitches in his face due to bites from a Westie. Conditions and circumstances are usually more to blame than any particular breed.

[jsmirman]

82. Very helpful post, thank you

we just got the sweetest pit ever, this little guy Jeffrey adopted, and he is about as lovable around people as any animal you will ever meet.

[BlueMan Votes]

83. you couldn't be more wrong.

pits are fantastic dogs.

[flvegan]

94. Please, let us discuss your post.

I look forward to whatever stupidity you have to respond with.

[michigandem58]

142. I haven't seen any statistics from other folks

But I'd be happy to see some.

[adigal]

173. Just plain old uninformed. Nt

[cali]

174. My son and his gf have a pit bull she rescued. He had been badly abused

He is the sweetest dog you'd ever want to meet. Granted, she's a dog whisperer sort, but this dog is such a wonderful guy.

[mrsadm]

59. I could donate some money

But I could not take in two dogs, sorry, I have an 8 cat household. Is there a way to donate?

[jsmirman]

84. Good luck with that household!

I will let you know if there is - it just depends on how things develop.

Thank you so much!

[whatchamacallit]

62. I bear these animals no ill will and hope they find an appropriate home

but a few months back my neighbor's pit bounded over our 6 1/2' fence and ripped our family dog to pieces in front of my son. The owner got the pit as a puppy and never neglected or abused the dog. I'm lucky and thankful the pit had no interest in my boy. Sorry, I will never be able to regard this breed as "just like any other".

[Liberal_in_LA]

65. I'm so sorry!

[whatchamacallit]

71. Thank you. I know they can be good and loving dogs

They can also be killers and should be handled responsibly.

[jsmirman]

85. I don't disagree with that -

my understanding is that they do have a bite and hold thing that is very real.

Which means you better know what the hell you're doing if you're dealing with pits or have one that was very well trained. But with that said, I've met so many of them at this point who have owners like that and are really great creatures.

I'm terribly sorry about what happened to you. That sounds just beyond awful.

[whatchamacallit]

164. Thanks

I do wish those, and all shelter dogs, luck.

[jsmirman]

186. I think we may be getting somewhere

there was a hint of very good news earlier today. Thanks.

[demmis19566ie]

67. aww how adorable

hope they're taken care of by someone soon..

[jsmirman]

86. It's nice to know that other people

see what I see in that photo.

[roguevalley]

109. we do, honey.

[yardwork]

88. kick

[Michigan Alum]

114. I just posted this on the Pitbulls and Parollees Facebook page.

They have a tv show and sometimes will rescue pitt bulls near their shelter in New Orleans.

[nolabear]

119. Good! I was thinking just the same. They may be swamped (pun intended) but it's a good thought.

Good show, too.

[Michigan Alum]

122. Love it. I used to be down on Pitbulls until I saw that show.

[jsmirman]

137. Thank you so much - it's most appreciated

[StarryNite]

125. Kick to save these dogs!

[ismnotwasm]

130. Pits are people friendly and dog aggressive

Which doesn't mean they can't be the opposite, or either. I have a Rottie/lab mix who looks like a Rottweiler and had to change my house Insurance over him. My daughter has to get rid of her eight year old pit bull--her baby-- because they're buying a new house and HER insurance won't cover the breed. I've had pits bulls. They're good dogs and excellent friends who usually need need enough activity to be completely happy. They need training and boundaries like any other dog


The worst, most aggressive dog we've ever had was some kind of beautiful mutt who looked like a small black German Shepard or wolf. We never figured out what had made him so mean, but we couldn't keep him. My husband is incredible with dogs and thought that what this particular dog needed the right set of circumstances which didn't include the city life, or being around children. He'd been damaged in someway. But he wasn't a pit bull.

[jsmirman]

138. I hope she was able to find a good home for her pit

I do think it's just an unfair black mark that insurance co's etc. give them.

I think you're right in your generalization, potentially.

My rescue apparently not so aggressive around other dogs. She rolled over on the sidewalk for five minutes, and let another dog come sniff around her, while she stayed in that position!

[ismnotwasm]

151. She did!

My parents are taking her, which is a perfect solution.

And it is unfair as well as stupid. The insurance companies don't understand how often aggressive dogs are assumed and reported to be pit bulls when they are a similar looking mutt mix. It's infuriating.

[jsmirman]

155. Totally agree with your post

[War Horse]

190. Good post

We dog folks don't do ourselves any favors if the pretend that 'every breed is the same'. It just reinforces what people already "know", and leads to all kind of regulations/bans. Owning a pit-type breed is a huge responsibility (as is owning an Akita Inu or whatever) - we can't go on pretending they're not prone to dog on dog aggression if not properly handled.

I actually have some experience With GSD/wolf mixes. Beautiful, but insanely volatile. Maybe the dog you're talking about was just that

As for the reactions to the dogs in the pic (always sad to see dogs in such a situation). The male looks like just another dog, and the female is being submissive. A natural reaction. Seems like normal dog interaction (based on that pic alone).

[Enrique]

145. is that your actual opinion of the photo?

or is this just a pit bull thread?

[jsmirman]

156. Come on, seriously?

Do I look like I have time to waste on nonsense?

The blissful look on the female's face as she gives her mate a kiss - as someone who wants people to understand that animals have deep, emotionally complex lives - yes, it is incredibly moving to me.

[OneGrassRoot]

146. Any news, updates? n/t

[jsmirman]

158. It looked like we might have had something going, but

I'm afraid it may be that we need to keep looking.

The person in charge of adopting them out has very understandable reasons for being careful about a pregnant female is adopted out (in the wrong hands, she could end up adding to the horrible overpop situation - even a well-meaning rescue could send her to the wrong person...)

[Brickbat]

165. Would an ovariohysterectomy be an option, or is she too far along?

I don't know about the feasibility of such a thing, but it might give her a better chance.

[datasuspect]

150. i once saw a pit bull attack some vegans in the olive garden parking lot

they were burning fried chicken recipes written by asian woodcarvers.

O! the hugh manatee!

y'all stop casting asparagus now, m'kay?

[datasuspect]

152. suburban firefighter killed by pet

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-11-14/news/chi-kane-county-firefighter-killed-by-her-dog-20121114_1_dog-volunteer-firefighter-pit-bull-mix

[jsmirman]

159. "pit bull mix"

like "unidentified black males"

so often not actual pitbulls.

Not going to respond with other examples like what wives have done to husbands and vice versa, but really, should we be opposed to all wives, then? Husbands?

[datasuspect]

161. did you read the article?

you have to read the article. not just the link.

if you click on the link, the article will magically appear.

[jsmirman]

162. Do you have mental problems? It says that the mastiff killed her

are you just here to have some yuks while we try to save the lives of two living creatures?

You're a cold, weird fish.

[datasuspect]

163. so you're okay with making fun of people with mental problems now?

sheesh.

how bigoted of you.

mental illness is serious.

and it's a BULL mastiff.

an evil beast of fuckery - satan's choice of pet. in the bible, so it's true.

[jsmirman]

167. Go away

stop being a creepy loser in a thread where we are trying to do something good.

And the article said there was a mastiff and one of the two OTHER dogs was pit-mix.

So maybe you are just dumb.

[datasuspect]

168. actually

i don't take any of this shit seriously.

but thanks for the vote of confidence.

i'm sure your mother loves you.

pit bull and vegan threads are the most entertaining threads DU has ever offered.

[jsmirman]

182. You are pathetic

you want me to call you a sack of crap, don't you?

You're delighted that a jury wouldn't hide your utterly trolling, desperate to make DU suck lousy post, no?

What the fuck does any of this have to do with my mother? I think you're projecting - I don't know who would love a pitiful internet troll.

If a jury hides this, please keep in mind that this was "datasuspect's" only purpose in this thread, and really the only response that the garbage post this is in response to invites.

[CraftyGal]

153. Still unsafe...

Please can we stop arguing the merits or lack of merits to owning a Pit Bull. I know more cities and countries are going towards BLS due to misinformation. My doxie is worse than a pit bull in biting. Wish there were more stats on this.

Cora

[jsmirman]

160. Thank you

[Helen Reddy]

171. jsmirman

You are dear, lovely and compassionate person to put up this post about the 2 dogs. I just know in my heart things will turn out. A mighty pure soul you must have. Thank you for your kindness.

I have a rescue pitbull whom I found bloodied and emaciated by Busch stadium 2 years ago. His physical condition was diagnosed as dire, but he pulled through and is now an integral part of our home sweet home.

Understanding a bite from a large dog naturally is worse than a small one, my long-haired chihuahua is the one to fear in this household.

Once again, your unselfish spirit is quite moving. Thank you!

[jsmirman]

188. Thank you so much

and thank you! What a wonderful thing you did. Just amazing. I'll bet that dog loves you something fierce.

We may have some good news actually. We're keeping our fingers crossed.

Thank you for such a kind post.

[adigal]

175. Today's media: angry black men and killer pit bulls - fear, fear, fear

It sells toothpaste, don't you know?

[jsmirman]

189. Too true

[patrice]

177. Kicking & Shared with a plea to keep on sharing! nt

[jsmirman]

192. Thanks, Patrice

it's truly appreciated...

[Sunlei]

178. can you please place the website with phone number of the shelter, along with the dogs ID numbers?

That way if anyone is interested in adopting the dogs they can go through the shelters official adoption policy.

I've adopted some dogs long distance from out of my state animal shelters and they all have different policies.

First a person has to find out if this shelter will even adopt to out of town people. If they do the paperwork has to be faxed, the fees paid, pet transporter paid to get the dogs to local Vet for everything they need. Of course the Vet needs a full deposit to cover the basics, Vaccines, worming, de-bugging, neutering the male and probably an expensive spay on a pregnant female.

Then there is airline costs to fly the healthy dogs to you.

Most of these shelters are closed for weekends and friday is like the doomsday for a lot of the harder to adopt dogs.

If you're interested act now. If the dogs were pretty bad, aggressive- usually a shelter will not even offer the dogs for adoption. They are probably just another pair of un-neutered dogs, kept in the yard friendly and untrained. Everything is up to the new owner how they turn out. Seperated, spayed/neutered and trained they could be very nice pets.

[Helen Reddy]

179. Great advice! n/t

[jsmirman]

191. They are in Clewiston, Florida

Clewiston Animal Control.....at 863-983-1477

I don't have ID numbers on them, for some reason, but their rescue page, which is in the OP, is here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=537803389581356&set=t.536968710&type=3&theater

Truth be told, things are actually looking like we might have something in the works here - holding my breath and hoping it works out...

[Honeycombe8]

194. Wow. This thread has picked up a LOT of responses. Who'd have thunk it? nt

[Divine Discontent]

197. hahaha... aint it always the case for threads about the breed used for bad behavior

beyond that fact though, my sis-n-law loves them. I cringe. I told her the babies are gonna get their ears or face ripped off by one of the her two pits. Well, the neighbor's hand got mangled by the scary one (the male). She thinks he might have been a rescue according to the people she got him from, so the argument would be he was abused, so he doesn't know any better. But that's why I said she shouldn't have him.

[Helen Reddy]

196. Kick for exposure n/t

[Helen Reddy]

200. Is there a happy ending?

Holding my breath over here.

[Sunlei]

202. I was to afraid to call the phone number and ask.

I have 4 dogs. 3 from shelters where it was their last day. 4th the most recent was left to starve when the owners moved out and left their dogs in their yard. Great pets, I love them all but 4 dogs are my limit.

Afraid to call because it's usually bad news. Such a shame because these kind of dogs once vetted, some crate training and human attention are so gratefull to have a real life. They love their new world so much, easy to train-they try very, very hard to learn- to please their new owner. As devoted as can be.

[Helen Reddy]

203. You are a true savior

to our animal friends. Thank you for what you do.

My 5 pooches, 1 parakeet, 1 guinea pig, and 1 Netherland bunny thank you from the bottom of our hearts!

My pit rescue had to be quaranteed for 2 weeks after he found me. When he was brought inside, he simply leaped everywhere. He had no understanding of the inside, stairs, humans who had a kind and gentle voice. So very sad indeed.
As you stated, he knowing his new world was gentler than what he was accustomed, he has nothing but thrived in this environment.

There is nothing more devoted to me than my critters, and I to them.

[Michigan Alum]

204. Here's a website that rescues pitt bulls, etc.

You might want to post it on here:

https://www.facebook.com/petpardons