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(4,474 posts)Hes going to be held in very, very low regard by future generations. History will be ruthless with the craven narcissist and all his pathetic sycophants.
orangecrush
(30,767 posts)"May you live in interesting times"
Warpy
(114,650 posts)since TFG represented a populist reaction mostly against 8 years of a black man in the White House. I think we tend to underestimate how wigged out a lot of people were because we did manage to re elect him, but future historians won't.
They won't understand the religious hysterics, at all, since they will be far removed from the Millennial Fever that produced them.
This era will start with Reagan. I don't know who or what will end it. I just hope it's not another world war.
ZZenith
(4,474 posts)The power and propaganda structure that caused all this will certainly be a known known.
I contend the era begins with the Emancipation Proclamation and continues through the many decades of struggle since.
DontBelieveEastisEas
(1,211 posts)Had nothing to do with a reaction against Obama being president.
Can we avoid the rush and start holding the lot of them in low regard now?
ZZenith
(4,474 posts)czarjak
(13,673 posts)It wasn't a ruse.
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)under the Constitutional definition of 'treason',
is that we are not actually 'at war' with Russia...
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)Neither the U.S. Constitution nor U.S. Code mentions "war" when defining an enemy of the U.S.
Article III, Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
It is reasonable to argue that Putin's Russia is an enemy, given the known interference with our elections. Might be tough to get a prosecutor to take the leap and charge traitortrump, though.
wikipedia - People convicted of treason against the United States
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)BadgerMom
(3,430 posts)C Moon
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yonder
(10,305 posts)Trump: "She's clapping for Meeee!"
Pelosi: "what an idiot to think I'm appauding his brilliant speech."
rubbersole
(11,261 posts)Fawning Mikey showing the devoted love he has for his idol.
moondust
(21,329 posts)had his own "disputed" election in August 2020. When I saw the new Roger Stone video it made me wonder if Stone and buddy Manafort were motivated by or even connected to the Lukashenko "election" a few months earlier. Did they borrow the Lukashenko playbook?
Randomthought
(1,076 posts)Totally agree
lame54
(39,978 posts)NJCher
(43,383 posts)And did plenty of damage with his stooge.
However, if you recall, in the end even Putin thought he was too erratic and nuts. He judged that he couldnt be trusted in any long running, complex scheme because he acts on the moment.
ShazzieB
(22,783 posts)And Putin's smart enough to have figured that out. But I think he probably would have written Trump off once he lost the election anyway. Trump would be no use to him as a private citizen.
When people talk about Trump fleeing to Russia like Putin would welcome him with open arms, I just shake my head. I don't think Putin has any use for him at all as a non-potus and would have even less interest in him hanging around in Russia as a fugitive. The idea that he would gladly offer Trump a safe haven is just silly, imo.
calimary
(90,484 posts)I wouldnt doubt this.
Whatever would line his pockets, hed go for. And Putin strikes me as the type who studies his prospects for their weaknesses. He probably played with the donalds vanity and pretty much owned his ass.
betsuni
(29,204 posts)OLDMDDEM
(3,241 posts)Cha
(320,089 posts)Blue Owl
(59,451 posts)Sugar Vladdy is tRump's idol