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kentuck

(115,627 posts)
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 07:09 AM Aug 2023

Do you believe the prosecution of Trump is mostly a battle between Democrats vs Republicans?

I think that is what the Republican establishment want people to believe.

It is not about crimes against our nation. It is about a political battle between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Democrats do not like Donald Trump. They would do anything to bring him down and to keep him from being elected president again. That is what most Republicans believe.

But the truth is the direct opposite. As much as Democrats may hate Trump, that is not the reason he is being prosecuted. It is not a Democrat vs Republican issue.

It is about whether justice can work in our democratic form of government. Can the people hold accountable those that would threaten our democracy and the rule of law?

Have the Republicans succeeded in making it an issue between the two Parties?

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Do you believe the prosecution of Trump is mostly a battle between Democrats vs Republicans? (Original Post) kentuck Aug 2023 OP
No.................... Lovie777 Aug 2023 #1
Yep. That's what the QAnoners, Republicans and Foreign Actors are trying to sell. TheBlackAdder Aug 2023 #17
No Aviation Pro Aug 2023 #2
Crime and Justice. C_U_L8R Aug 2023 #3
Does that include our present corrupt Supreme Court? gab13by13 Aug 2023 #6
Corrupt judges don't live forever C_U_L8R Aug 2023 #7
Republicans haven't answered this question, if he is the nominee and loses again do we have to go Walleye Aug 2023 #4
Not at all Duncanpup Aug 2023 #5
republicons no longer believe in the rule of law or our constitution spanone Aug 2023 #8
Yes. tavernier Aug 2023 #9
Do you equate Democrats vs Republicans...? kentuck Aug 2023 #10
Yup. tavernier Aug 2023 #11
I can see your point... kentuck Aug 2023 #12
Maybe not, but I think tavernier Aug 2023 #13
Yep. kentuck Aug 2023 #15
It Is A Battle Between Patriots And Traitors, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2023 #14
It is an easy mistake to make. kentuck Aug 2023 #16
No. milestogo Aug 2023 #18
To those predisposed to the idea, yes Mr. Ected Aug 2023 #19
It 's good how Biden and the Dem leaders have been mostly silent on the issue. kentuck Aug 2023 #21
Only an idiot or a brainwashed FAUX viewer would believe he's innocent of all 91 counts. bluesbassman Aug 2023 #20
Between democracy and dictatorship. Wonder Why Aug 2023 #22
It is a battle between good & evil William769 Aug 2023 #23
No, I think that is an oversimplification DFW Aug 2023 #24
No ismnotwasm Aug 2023 #25
That's the way Trump wants to frame it gulliver Aug 2023 #26

Lovie777

(23,741 posts)
1. No....................
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 07:12 AM
Aug 2023

that's what the GQP want. It's good vs. evil. And shithole is differently evil with all that criminal activity which still continues.

gab13by13

(32,774 posts)
6. Does that include our present corrupt Supreme Court?
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 07:53 AM
Aug 2023

There are a dozen examples where justices have been "bribed" to rule in their favor, not to mention how this court is working with Republicans to keep favorable gerrymandered districts.

The fascist Magats own the Supreme Court.

Walleye

(45,436 posts)
4. Republicans haven't answered this question, if he is the nominee and loses again do we have to go
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 07:24 AM
Aug 2023

Through this shit for another four years. I’m as afraid of his losing as much as his winning, almost. Why do the Republicans wanna tear the country up like this, when they’re lying and saying it’s because they want prosperity, trumps term wasn’t that prosperous. The Magas wanna pretend the 2020 didn’t happen, or that somebody else was in charge.

kentuck

(115,627 posts)
12. I can see your point...
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 08:43 AM
Aug 2023

...although it may be a bit generalized. It's hard to monopolize either intelligence or stupidity.

tavernier

(14,510 posts)
13. Maybe not, but I think
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 08:57 AM
Aug 2023

they have rentals on most of Park Place and Boardwalk, and they printed the Monopoly money in the basement. Criminality might be the product of marriage between intelligence and stupidity.

kentuck

(115,627 posts)
15. Yep.
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 09:19 AM
Aug 2023

I guess all families may need a certain number of stool pigeons and a certain degree of stupidity?

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
14. It Is A Battle Between Patriots And Traitors, Sir
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 09:17 AM
Aug 2023

For the continuance of our Democracy.

Most Republicans stand in aid of treason, just about all Democrats stand for the country. So the mistake, that this is a fight between Democrats and Republicans, is an easy one to make, obvious as the error is....

Mr. Ected

(9,714 posts)
19. To those predisposed to the idea, yes
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 09:26 AM
Aug 2023

For anyone paying attention, absolutely not.

The masters of projection just spent 4 years doing the things they now accuse Democrats of doing, insofar as the weaponization of the DOJ is concerned. Having giddily watched the spectacle unfold in a Trump administration (and enjoying every moment of "owning the libs", they now ascribe the same behavior to us. It's like a pathological liar thinking everyone around him is also lying. It's a transference of sorts, not born out by the facts, but rather a belief that everyone is as evil and calculating as they are.

In their minds, we're "returning the favor". In ours, though, we are detached from the process but happy is it finally being applied to the ones who would change the laws midstream in order to avoid prosecution. They're getting their just desserts.

PS. I think Biden and the Dems complete silence on the subject must be driving MAGA up a wall. It's no fun fighting when the other side doesn't engage.

kentuck

(115,627 posts)
21. It 's good how Biden and the Dem leaders have been mostly silent on the issue.
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 09:47 AM
Aug 2023

They are content to let justice do its job. Justice does not have a favorite.

bluesbassman

(20,388 posts)
20. Only an idiot or a brainwashed FAUX viewer would believe he's innocent of all 91 counts.
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 09:45 AM
Aug 2023

So if one is not an idiot or brainwashed yet still believes the prosecution is politically motivated, they are endorsing the win at all costs tactics employed by the ex president and the GOP. Is that what they really want? Would they accept seditious and criminal actions from a Democratic candidate as “business as usual”? Maybe, but they won’t like the results, and won’t recognize the country we would live in if that’s the path we take.

DFW

(60,436 posts)
24. No, I think that is an oversimplification
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 10:58 AM
Aug 2023

I believe that a great many Republicans, too intimidated to admit it, are greatly relieved that Trump is being prosecuted. Not necessarily because they are great believers in the rule of law, but because they fear that the tables could one day be turned. If the Trump shoe had been on the other foot, and someone like Nina Turner had been the loudmouthed "you can't touch me" president, their lives would have been at least as miserable as ours were under Trump. The difference is that Republicans believe that because they let Trump lead them, the Democrats are capable of letting a Nina Turner lead them. There is exactly zero evidence of our willingness to let that happen, but they project their own willingness to let it happen onto us.

Even now, Republicans fear that Trump might yet pull a rabbit out of his hat and emerge victorious from his difficulties. They fear, despite all logic and common sense, that he could be the one taking the Oath of Office on January 20, 2025. None of them want to face his wrath, and so for now, they and their media paint the prosecution of Trump as a Democratic witch hunt. If Trump shoots someone dead on Fifth Avenue in broad daylight, Fox Noise will scream that he was standing his ground, and a majority of Republican voters will parrot that view, whether they believe it or not.

Lastly, I also believe there is a minority in the Republican Party, well off, educated, mostly-but-no-longer-exclusively white, and open to dialogue with us, who just do NOT want their party to eternally be dominated by the Trumpanzees. They know that if the Trumpanzees manage to neutralize or even eradicate us "libbruls," that they are next on the hit list.

ismnotwasm

(42,674 posts)
25. No
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 10:58 AM
Aug 2023

It’s the justice system and Trump. Democrats are practically by-standers. I enjoy it, and I’d enjoy it more if it wasn’t so terrible. It’s bad, really bad. Trump shouldn’t be running for president and history won’t remember him kindly, but it will remember him

gulliver

(14,075 posts)
26. That's the way Trump wants to frame it
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 11:18 AM
Aug 2023

The vast majority of witnesses against him are Republicans. It's going to be up to Republicans being faithful to the country to take Trump down.

Dems can help by being Dems and keeping unelected activists where they belong, speaking only for themselves.

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